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I feel like most of my gripes with this movie have been covered, but one thing is still gnawing at me: Did the Resistance actually win? At the end of TLJ, the First Order has them outnumbered and outgunned, down to the last few fighters. In this movie, we see an alliance of the last remaining Resistance fighters and various galactic citizens destroy the Last Order/Sith fleet, though there are heavy losses on both sides. However, isn't the actual First Order fleet and overall governing structure still around? The commander who was on Exegol died, and there will need to be a new Supreme Leader, but there's surely some sort of second-in-command on another planet aligned with the First Order that can take up the reins. I feel like the First Order only lost a commander and a command ship, which is a setback but not a crippling one. Doesn't the Rebellion still have to deal with, essentially, the exact same problematic situation from the end of TLJ? This movie resolved the Sith/Jedi conflict, but I feel like the First Order is, at worst, at 90% strength, and the Rebellion is even weaker than before. Unless all the galactic citizens (that didn't get fried by the Palpatine lighting storm) are willing to take the fight to the First Order (when they weren't before), nothing seems to have changed.
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JfishPirate posted:I feel like most of my gripes with this movie have been covered, but one thing is still gnawing at me: Well, it’s been a persistent gripe of mine that even in the wake of the Starkiller incident, the combined military might of the rest of the galaxy should almost certainly dwarf the First Order’s fleet. The first 2.9 movies of the sequel trilogy conveniently ignore this fact, but the very end would seem to suggest that the forces to easily crush the First Order were always present, they just needed someone to show them they could believe in themselves!
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 00:28 |
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General Dog posted:Well, it’s been a persistent gripe of mine that even in the wake of the Starkiller incident, the combined military might of the rest of the galaxy should almost certainly dwarf the First Order’s fleet. The first 2.9 movies of the sequel trilogy conveniently ignore this fact, but the very end would seem to suggest that the forces to easily crush the First Order were always present, they just needed someone to show them they could believe in themselves! Lando just rounding up the entire galaxy by flying from planet to planet offscreen for a few minutes was probably the laziest cheat in the series. Unbelievably lazy writing.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 00:38 |
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Jewmanji posted:Lando just rounding up the entire galaxy by flying from planet to planet offscreen for a few minutes was probably the laziest cheat in the series. Unbelievably lazy writing. It also makes little discernible difference in the battle, as Finn destroying the antenna and Rey kil- uhh, assisting in Palpatine’s accidental death are portrayed as the pivotal moments in the battle anyway.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 00:41 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:‘Wokewashing’ is bad, but never trust anyone who makes it their sole concern. This is the real thing that makes rlm tedious. They complain about tokenism and rainbow capitalism, but they never even use their platform to push good work by nonwhite filmmakers or movies that are smart about the black experience or women’s lives or anything, which is literally he easiest thing they could do. When they use their platform to give exposure to a smaller film, it’s always some white nerd thing like Under the Silver Lake. They only care about social issues when they can complain about nerd media doing them badly.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 00:54 |
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Finally saw this movie and it was incredibly janky and dumb. I would list all my problems with it but it’s beating a dead horse and isn’t really worth the energy. I actually sorta like TFA and really liked TLJ so this was disappointing.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 01:39 |
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i think someone said it in this thread best - they managed to make all three of these movies suck in completely different ways. pity, because there are parts that i really enjoy in all of them. anyways sorry i'm late here you go
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 03:33 |
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Steve Yun posted:Somebody make a South Park style chef clip with Carrie Fisher from this movie with badly pasted dialogue from previous movies they did its called star wars episode 9
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:26 |
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One scene specifically brought to mind Plan 9 From Outer Space
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:46 |
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Which
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 04:55 |
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Steve Yun posted:Which There's a scene where Leia is about to lay down and die and it's shooting her largely from the back.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 05:17 |
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Oh yeah lol “I’m just gonna lay down and die, that’ll show that little bastard”
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 06:01 |
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Maxwell Lord posted:There's a scene where Leia is about to lay down and die and it's shooting her largely from the back. There's only so much they can really do, but there was a couple moments of characters talking to Leia where they just... Said random lines to her that were very clearly intended to prompt the canned response found from force awakens b-footage, which had been twisted completely out of its original context to fit whatever plot point they wanted to fit it in with. As nice as it was to see Carrie again, it just felt... ghoulish...
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 06:06 |
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The Carrie/Daisy scenes were just horribly done. You can’t fault them for Carrie’s passing but they should have just left her alone and hand waved away her absence.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 06:08 |
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By the end of the movie, Rey is calling herself Skywalker, and she's got all these fuckin powers, but at no point does she actually walk in the sky. The hell is up with that? It would absolutely have fit in with the tone they ended up with.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 06:21 |
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jivjov posted:This will be the final word in the posting of jivjov finally saw the movie and i gotta say 100% cosigned
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 07:30 |
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except for the part about it being "GREAT fodder for the other types of Star Wars stories I enjoy in the books and comics and RPG supplements…" cause i hate all that trash so basically its all a loss for me the only eu i wanna read are smg posts
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 07:33 |
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Admiral Bosch posted:i think someone said it in this thread best - they managed to make all three of these movies suck in completely different ways. pity, because there are parts that i really enjoy in all of them. lmao
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 08:13 |
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Where's the full justification on this sonofabitch
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 08:49 |
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I'm surprised people haven't made more of that flashback scene with young Leia using her lightsabre. Now that was ghoulish as gently caress.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 11:19 |
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stev posted:I'm surprised people haven't made more of that flashback scene with young Leia using her lightsabre. Now that was ghoulish as gently caress. Like everything else in this movie the pace of it was so quick it just flew by without giving any time to take it in. With their blast shields down I swear the actual creepy CG bit was only two seconds long. To me it felt like the other scenes that acted as a checklist apology / explanation for TLJ, particularly for all those people who had a weird problem accepting that Leia could 'fly' - as if the original trilogy didn't make it extremely clear that she was powerful in the force.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:13 |
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Isometric Bacon posted:Like everything else in this movie the pace of it was so quick it just flew by without giving any time to take it in. With their blast shields down I swear the actual creepy CG bit was only two seconds long. I don't think people had an issue with Leia using the force to pull herself through space. It's just it looked awkward and the scene served absolutely no purpose within the plot.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 12:45 |
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Leia not being around is the whole reason the conflict between Poe and Holdo happens in the first place. Her recovering is basically what solves the problem.
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 16:11 |
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kidkissinger posted:I don't think people had an issue with Leia using the force to pull herself through space. It's just it looked awkward and the scene served absolutely no purpose within the plot. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zya0yW129ss
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 19:00 |
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kidkissinger posted:I don't think people had an issue with Leia using the force to pull herself through space. It's just it looked awkward and the scene served absolutely no purpose within the plot. I think she had a point as someone who was about the only person Poe respected, but more a symbolic representation of the before empire times (despite of course she was alive during the empire so that's muddied as hell) Which I don't say as a positive, I think her dieing near the end of last Jedi would have been a powerful moving on movement along with Rey taking kylos on his offer to gently caress up both sides
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 19:37 |
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Disney with all of its wealth and supposed talent, and they still couldn't come up with something this creative and funny using the Star Wars universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xl0Qr0uXuY
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# ? Dec 27, 2019 19:39 |
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I said come in! posted:Disney with all of its wealth and supposed talent, and they still couldn't come up with something this creative and funny using the Star Wars universe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xl0Qr0uXuY Yoda in TLJ looks so good. Best looking Yoda ever and that counts baby Yoda
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 03:36 |
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Polo-Rican posted:Yoda in TLJ looks so good. Best looking Yoda ever and that counts baby Yoda ESB yoda is best followed by ROTJ yoda and then baby yoda is somehow superimposed over both of those in quality so shut your mouth also big lols ahead https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/475936-disney-removes-same-sex-kiss-from-star-wars-movie-in-singapore
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 08:58 |
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I think we can all agree the Star Wars sequels would be (even slightly) better if they were all exactly as they are now, but no one ever said the phrase “Knights of Ren”.
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 14:25 |
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I'm not sure that would matter. I'm a Gen-Xer and this week talked to some of my peers (who were only ever casual Star Wars fans) and their assessment is that ROS is overall a good movie. When talking to my brother-in-law about it, of all the people who spoke up against it, my 20 year old nephew (who grew up on the prequels) came up with the major arguments used by those of us who have been underwhelmed by this trilogy. It was both shocking and reassuring. But overall, I see Disney's directives for Star Wars paying off with the general public. They'll eat anything As much as I'd like to see, on the strength of the Mandalorian alone, Favreau taking over from Kennedy, I don't see that changing and bracing myself for some degree of Disney mandated fuckery in future seasons.
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 15:11 |
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General Dog posted:Well, it’s been a persistent gripe of mine that even in the wake of the Starkiller incident, the combined military might of the rest of the galaxy should almost certainly dwarf the First Order’s fleet. The first 2.9 movies of the sequel trilogy conveniently ignore this fact, but the very end would seem to suggest that the forces to easily crush the First Order were always present, they just needed someone to show them they could believe in themselves! They needed to be rallied to the cause and now the Resistance had the right man for the job: Chewbacca
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 15:24 |
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:This is the real thing that makes rlm tedious. They complain about tokenism and rainbow capitalism, but they never even use their platform to push good work by nonwhite filmmakers or movies that are smart about the black experience or women’s lives or anything, which is literally he easiest thing they could do. When they use their platform to give exposure to a smaller film, it’s always some white nerd thing like Under the Silver Lake. They only care about social issues when they can complain about nerd media doing them badly. This is the schtick and they give their fans what they want, it's not their place nor their job to make what you want them to do their focus. Jay is the reason I know about the film Tangerine which isn't some "white nerd thing" like you're dismissively calling what they and their fans like.
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 16:23 |
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Watched the first 2 episodes of the Mando, it's ok. Like rogue 1 its strongest when it's not fan-servicing, those are all the worst moments. Are all those embarassing bits worth it to watch jawas eat the egg? I think so
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# ? Dec 28, 2019 19:12 |
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The Mandalorian has less "fanservicey" bullshit than pretty much any other post-OT Star Wars property.
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# ? Dec 29, 2019 01:07 |
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And when it does have fanservice stuff it's great. Like the icecream maker.
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# ? Dec 29, 2019 01:07 |
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Wait, the what?
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# ? Dec 29, 2019 01:12 |
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https://images.app.goo.gl/UgGFkSSnoqzy5pWb7 The prop this guy is holding is an ice cream maker and it has a camo in the Mandalorian
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# ? Dec 29, 2019 01:14 |
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There's some groan worthy fan service in the Mandalorian, but generally speaking its pretty subtle and part of the background / doesn't interrupt the narrative. Things like revisiting the Mos Eisley cantina - but it's served by droids, which weren't allowed in there in A New Hope. There's no 'Chewie gets a medal, just because' - is what I mean.
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# ? Dec 29, 2019 02:10 |
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Isometric Bacon posted:Things like revisiting the Mos Eisley cantina - but it's served by droids, which weren't allowed in there in A New Hope. what the gently caress
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ungulateman posted:what the gently caress You see this is all explained in the Legends canon where the bartender overcomes his discrimination against droids once he meets a food processor droid that grinds up the dead alien in his bar and uses the extract to make a pretty sweet cocktail, which is only slightly more ghoulish than the real-world Sourtoe cocktail that contains a real frostbitten human toe.
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