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The pro-pedo person brought up Jesus first and that’s what got Liz started. originally she was just making a purely secular argument that it’s bad to want to gently caress kids. I think most people can get on board with that one..
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papa horny michael posted:Catholics are still the single largest religious group in the us lol I'm okay with liz penetrating those tight circles of thought if you're going to argue that something isn't obscenely psychotic, defending via the rhetorical point that a large sector of american society supports it is an interesting choice
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Dec 29, 2019 11:31
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america, you know, that country where above 40 percent approve of President Trump. that country that has a president Donald Trump. you know, that incredibly stable and normal society
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Dec 29, 2019 11:32
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Mr. Lobe posted:the problem is you shouldn't be using the same psychotic moral framework that says gay sex (or hell, just premarital sex, or technically, any non PIV sex according to the Holy See) is bad as your moral high ground to say to say that molesting children is bad this is literally anti catholic bigotry lol we did it
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Dec 29, 2019 12:02
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terrorist ambulance posted:Lol yeah you're right sin is a great and useful moral framework and powerful rhetorical tool. The catholic church has managed to stay well clear of any pedophilia problems by recognizing sexual attraction to children as "sinful" rather than say, fundamentally wrong and inherently abusive (for starters) If you decide to bring Jesus into a conversation about the morality of loving babies, you're going to have discuss sin. I agree that it wasn't a great rhetorical move by the "sex+ libertarian" in that discussion, but that's hardly surprising.
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Dec 29, 2019 12:16
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Farm Frenzy posted:this is literally anti catholic bigotry lol we did it if it's bigotry to say catholicism is hosed up, then what's to stop, say, cults from making the same defense?
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Dec 29, 2019 12:21
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Mr. Lobe posted:if it's bigotry to say catholicism is hosed up, then what's to stop, say, cults from making the same defense? there arent 1.2 billion cultists in the world
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Dec 29, 2019 12:24
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Farm Frenzy posted:there arent 1.2 billion cultists in the world no, cults usually inspire more enthusiasm for their hosed up ideology rather than the mechanical indifference that centuries of cultural inertia will generate good thing I was never making the claim that the catholic church is a cult. only that it is hosed up. the blunted enthusiasm of most of its adherents does not change that
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Dec 29, 2019 12:37
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Mr. Lobe posted:no, cults usually inspire more enthusiasm for their hosed up ideology rather than the mechanical indifference that centuries of cultural inertia will generate so elizabeth shouldn't use her catholicism in a conversation with another christian, because there are other catholics in the world who are too extreme? hmm this conversation reminds me of something
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Dec 29, 2019 12:47
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Farm Frenzy posted:so elizabeth shouldn't use her catholicism in a conversation with another christian, because there are other catholics in the world who are too extreme? hmm this conversation reminds me of something I'm going to go out on a limb and say that if you are reduced to making theological arguments on why to not gently caress kids, then yeah, maybe that particular struggle for the soul of the person in question is a lost one and you are making a fool out of yourself
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Dec 29, 2019 12:57
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Catholicism isn't very good if you can't control the Curia.
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I would simply not play the religious believers game, and take my extreme antagonism elsewhere. oh poo poo everyone's mostly religious, you say?
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Dec 29, 2019 16:14
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imagine seeing two posters of liz and matt's ability and telling them to log off.
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Dec 29, 2019 16:16
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Mr. Lobe posted:america, you know, that country where above 40 percent approve of President Trump. that country that has a president Donald Trump. you know, that incredibly stable and normal society Okay i guess pedophilia is a lost cause. What the gently caress
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Breadallelogram posted:Okay i guess pedophilia is a lost cause. What the gently caress I'm having a hard time connecting the dots between what I posted and this claim my reason for bringing up the US's Demon Cracker Nation factor was more just to say that maybe an appeal to common practice isn't such a hot moral argument, not an exhortation to do nothing about the evils within our society, such as pedophilia that said, I doubt you can church-talk people out of diddling kids. clearly it has not worked for the catholics, for instance anyway I hate that I am making GBS threads up this thread because of the particular bee in my bonnet that is the bizarre way people are usually just kinda middlingly ok with the catholic church, but what can I say, this is what a queer youth spent among those freaks has done to me Mr. Lobe fucked around with this message at 17:42 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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Mainstream Catholicism is dogshit but its not like there aren't schools of thought within it that are worth engaging with and allying with from a tactical standpoint. Liberation Theology is a real thing that is taken seriously in the third world and could probably be imported to poor communities in the first world as something that can challenge the Prosperity Gospel bullshit that infects america like an STD.
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Dec 29, 2019 17:44
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Mr. Lobe posted:I'm having a hard time connecting the dots between what I posted and this claim It's okay. You have good reason to react against it, but I really don't think it's a big deal to call rape (especially of children) a sin. Most people understand the concept of "sin" in some fashion.
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Dec 29, 2019 17:57
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Maybe Bruenig will be like Chesterton and inspire generations of insufferable dorks to dress and write exactly like her.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:19
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Lot of people asking questions already answered by my “don’t call rape a sin” shirt.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:25
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A lot of posters ITT arguing that pedophilia isn't a sin. I wonder how many of them love to post about childrens cartoons...and worse
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Dec 29, 2019 18:40
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Not having sex with kids is just a bourgeois pretension. I am also a member of antifa and became a communist by reading twitter posts, and listing to half a million dollar a month podcasters. Dril is also a god second only to karl marx. MAGA chud.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:42
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Lmao nevermind, I found the controversial tweets that a couple posters were being normal about. I'm starting to suspect that some of you just dont like Women Tweeters!! https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1210996135944478720 https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1211030196759023617 https://twitter.com/ebruenig/status/1211030963498766336
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Dec 29, 2019 18:45
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I notice no one's actually denied that the "sin" framework equates pedophilia and homosexuality.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:46
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sleeptalker posted:I notice no one's actually denied that the "sin" framework equates pedophilia and homosexuality. Sin isn't a framework
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Dec 29, 2019 18:47
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The grosser thing is Sheila van den Heuvel-Collins advertises her tutoring services to children on her personal website. Constantly posting pedophile defenses, and writing (multiple?) books about such is a bit of a red flag.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:48
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Slanderer posted:Sin isn't a framework the catholic construction of morality is a framework which identifies both things as sin, don't be obtuse
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Dec 29, 2019 18:48
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Love how chapo trap house jokes about the catholic church pedophile cover up but also overlooks the fact that muhammed took a 9 year old bride. Pretty much shows they are a joke. Also having patton oswalt on their show. Do they think he works at scale with the gaffer on his projects. LOL. But yeah yeah boat dealers in wisconsin are prime enemy number one. Thank you son of a some ridiculous LOLyer who thinks he is cool because he listens to sound cloud rappers. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Mr. Lobe posted:the catholic construction of morality is a framework which identifies both things as sin, do not be obtuse Why do you feel so strongly about not wanting pedophilia to be a sin????
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Space Panda posted:Love how chapo trap house jokes about the catholic church pedophile cover up but also overlooks the fact that muhammed took a 9 year old bride. Pretty much shows they are a joke. what is this?
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Slanderer posted:Why do you feel so strongly about not wanting pedophilia to be a sin???? it's fine to say it is a sin, maybe just don't be a catholic while doing it thanks
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Mr. Lobe posted:the catholic construction of morality is a framework which identifies both things as sin, don't be obtuse Asking Slanderer to not be obtuse is like trying to pass a camel through the eye of a needle, or something.
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Slanderer posted:Why do you feel so strongly about not wanting pedophilia to be a sin???? Just an absolute smooth donkey's brain What's wrong with calling it a sin? It is, just like those equally mortal sins of masturbation, blasphemy, abortion, divorce, or gay sex. All really bad sins! What's the issue??
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papa horny michael posted:what is this? Honestly at the end of the day you cant even feel good about supporting them. Maybe if Matt Christman had his own seperate patreon. MAYBE. But they aren't even forming good takes or informing you any more. Re: Labour's recent loss and Bernies upcoming BTFOing. They are basically going to cheerlead BURNie and ride the patreon train into the ground and then hook up with oswalt or heidecker to do some comedy show. I know a lot of you are in denial about this but its pretty obvious at this point. It will definitely happen after the election though (gotta get the patreon bucks while people are hyped for 2020).
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Space Panda posted:Honestly at the end of the day you cant even feel good about supporting them. Maybe if Matt Christman had his own seperate patreon. MAYBE. But they aren't even forming good takes or informing you any more. Re: Labour's recent loss and Bernies upcoming BTFOing. what is this?
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Dec 29, 2019 19:07
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terrorist ambulance posted:Just an absolute smooth donkey's brain actually the church never defined a list of mortal sins, checkmate atheist
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Trabisnikof posted:actually the church never defined a list of mortal sins, checkmate atheist Good point, most Catholics would find an abortion more morally culpable than child abuse
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drat. It sure is tough living around all of these catholics in new mexico, whom are progressive democrats for lgbtq rights and abortion. It's almost like many of the problems within religious groups are caused by institutional power from above rather than individual members.
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papa horny michael posted:drat. It sure is tough living around all of these catholics in new mexico, whom are progressive democrats for lgbtq rights and abortion. It's almost like many of the problems within religious groups are caused by institutional power from above rather than individual members. maybe they should do something about that institutional power or something the tithes they pay go to an institution that does things like creating ideological and political roadblocks to abortion, gay and trans rights. it is a bizarre and counterproductive cognitive dissonance and an active obstacle to the more pro-social beliefs expressed by those people who I believe generally want is best for other people.
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