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I'm Tom Paris, trying to explain to everyone why Morrowind is still the better Elder Scrolls Holosuite.
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Admiralty Flag posted:* Banging a holoimage of a coworker but just because you've always wanted to, not because you're pining like Geordi? Questionable, probably still cheating Given how often the real people aboard these ships find out someone is using their holoimage in a way they don't approve of it's a wonder that they're allowed to be used at all outside of Official Starfleet Simulations. The ethics of writing fanfiction about real people is already dicey, let alone what is essentially a hyper-realistic videogame where you're God.
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Dec 29, 2019 00:20
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I wasn't even okay when Disney used CGI to puppet the dead in their movie. I would definitely not be okay with holoimages of real people used without consent.
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Dec 29, 2019 00:30
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Khanstant posted:I wasn't even okay when Disney used CGI to puppet the dead in their movie. I would definitely not be okay with holoimages of real people used without consent. Eh if they've been dead for hundreds of years it's different.
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Dec 29, 2019 00:58
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Using holograms of real people for profit or whatever in a situation they had no way to consent to isn't even a sci-fi question, it's happening right now. https://theundefeated.com/features/the-strange-legacy-of-tupacs-hologram-after-coachella/ Not on the level of the Holodeck, but still.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:23
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Eh if they've been dead for hundreds of years it's different.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:36
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Dec 29, 2019 01:40
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Khanstant posted:I wasn't even okay when Disney used CGI to puppet the dead in their movie. I would definitely not be okay with holoimages of real people used without consent. In the near future, there will be a lawsuit, Disney vs The Unified Actors Union, where deep fakes are so perfect and unnoticeable that Disney is doing full movies with out paying a single actor. They will argue that they didn't use the actor exactly, they changed a certain % of the looks to make it a totally new person. It may look like Johnny Depp Jr, but its not. And Disney will win.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:52
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Nessus posted:I assume this was about Carrie Fisher, who was going to be prominent in the recent Star Wars film. They also had the fella playing Tarkin in Rogue One but I'm not sure if he's alive or not. I also think they mostly used compositing stuff for Tarkin, like with the DS9 tribbles episode. Peter Cushing is definitely dead, and was definitely a CG monstrosity in Rogue One. I don't think any of it was a comp.
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Dec 29, 2019 01:53
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happyhippy posted:In the near future, there will be a lawsuit, Disney vs The Unified Actors Union, where deep fakes are so perfect and unnoticeable that Disney is doing full movies with out paying a single actor. Everyone has a doppelganger; they can find the one they need and then model the deepfaking off that, and you can't ban someone's face from appearing in a movie or charge royalties on it just because they look like another famous actor!
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Dec 29, 2019 01:55
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Only your local member of the Romulan Senate will know if the footage is authentic or not.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:03
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The_Doctor posted:It’s the 24th century, Bethesda are still putting out Skyrim. Make sure the holodeck safety protocols are on before you roll all your cheese wheels down the mountain.
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Dec 29, 2019 02:15
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Hahahahahahahahaha. Of course.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:05
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ROJO posted:Peter Cushing is definitely dead, and was definitely a CG monstrosity in Rogue One. I don't think any of it was a comp. Yeah, Cushing was CG in Rogue One and Rise of Skywalker apparently used a bunch of previously unused footage of her from The Force Awakens to give Leia an ending. There was actually a CG Leia in the film, but that was a younger version in a flash back showing Luke training her to be a Jedi
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Dec 29, 2019 03:06
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It was all cg Leia since all her scenes were repurposed clips left out of TLJ. They pasted Carrie Fisher’s head on someone else’s body and shot them against a greenscreen. It’s why she never really moves or turns her head while talking with Rey, it’s all composited.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:18
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For Tarkin in Rogue One they had an actual actor that they put Cushing's face on later (like they did with pre-serum Steve in the first Captain America movie). The problem is that they only had footage from Episode 4 to attach to the new actor's body and most of Tarkin in Episode 4 was not well lit scenes. Which is actually why Tarkin in Rogue One looked passable until he stepped out of the shadows and interacted with anything. Quick edit: Cushing's family was excited for it (and likely the paycheck) but Cushing himself loved working on Star Wars and was upset his character died because he wanted to be in Empire Strikes Back when he heard they were making it. In that DS9 episode where Quark made a program with Kira for Jeffrey Coombs, was it made clear that it was illegal (under Bajoran law, we know it is for Federation) or was it just Kira being pissed (justifiably)? And for that matter, is it illegal to use a person's likeness for any holodeck program or just for sexy ones? Did that come up in the Voyager episode with Tuvok's mutiny program?
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Dec 29, 2019 03:49
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I always got the impression that it's not considered illegal, just super, ultra rude, and people don't usually go and look in other people's porn folders just so they don't have to act on what they find, but they absolutely do when they feel like it or have an excuse. Typical boomer approach to privacy in other words.
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Dec 29, 2019 03:53
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Humerus posted:In that DS9 episode where Quark made a program with Kira for Jeffrey Coombs, was it made clear that it was illegal (under Bajoran law, we know it is for Federation) or was it just Kira being pissed (justifiably)? And for that matter, is it illegal to use a person's likeness for any holodeck program or just for sexy ones? Did that come up in the Voyager episode with Tuvok's mutiny program? The mutiny program was supposed to be one of those Official Starfleet Simulations, like the bridge officer "kill geordi" test, or the numerous engineering test simulations. What the crew weren't OK with in Voyager was the Doctor's holonovel about how oppressed he is for being a hologram. He used their likenesses with slight modifications and called them characters. That's more what I'm talking about, along with Barclay's weird fetish powertrip garden and any number of those hypothetical "bang a holo replica of your coworker" things. What's the ethics on using the likeness of a real person in a program they don't know about? We can assume that they're all OK with the official stuff since it's just a job training aid and it's a professional setting, but once that setting switches over to personal it becomes pretty loving dicey.
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Dec 29, 2019 04:36
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Vic uses Kira's likeness to make a sexy pretend woman for Odo to practice dating. Odo didn't download him onto an isolinear chip and put the chip in the brig so presumably it's not illegal.
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Dec 29, 2019 05:16
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Arglebargle III posted:See if they'd actually written him as a smartypants he could have won the game instantly in this scene and then in season 5 it would be a clever foreshadowing instead of a dongling dingle. Welp, that's part of my headcanon now.
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Dec 29, 2019 05:30
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Humerus posted:Quick edit: Cushing's family was excited for it (and likely the paycheck) but Cushing himself loved working on Star Wars and was upset his character died because he wanted to be in Empire Strikes Back when he heard they were making it. He also had a headcanon theory for how his Doctor Who movies fit into the universe of the TV series. Peter Cushing was a goddamn treasure, and the world is much poorer for having lost him.
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Dec 29, 2019 07:38
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"Okay Peter, basically, your character is evil. Just chew the poo poo out of the scenery, subtlety is for other movies." "gently caress yeah."
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Dec 29, 2019 08:27
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After The War posted:He also had a headcanon theory for how his Doctor Who movies fit into the universe of the TV series. Unlike Guiness who was a complete dick. And then Anthony Daniels who decided to take up the banner of dickitude once Guiness was gone.
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Dec 29, 2019 09:13
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Cushing counterpoint: my friend didn’t know who Peter Cushing was when we watched Rogue One and didn’t twig he was CGI until I told him. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7KEwq8isU
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Dec 29, 2019 09:40
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MikeJF posted:Everyone has a doppelganger; they can find the one they need and then model the deepfaking off that, and you can't ban someone's face from appearing in a movie or charge royalties on it just because they look like another famous actor! Yep! http://exclaim.ca/film/article/a_charles_bronson_impersonator_made_a_fake_charles_bronson_movie_and_it_looks_bizarre
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Dec 29, 2019 14:56
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Vic uses Kira's likeness to make a sexy pretend woman for Odo to practice dating. Odo didn't download him onto an isolinear chip and put the chip in the brig so presumably it's not illegal. Mind you, it's basically what Picard did to Moriarty.
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Dec 29, 2019 16:41
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Payndz posted:That is such a perfectly dickish letter-of-the-law thing for Odo to do I'm surprised he didn't do it. You have thirty minutes to remove your hologram. You have ten minutes to remove your hologram. Your hologram has been impounded. Your hologram has been trapped in a cube. You have thirty minutes to remove your cube.
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Dec 29, 2019 16:45
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Your holoprison cube has been left in the rubble of your starship.
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Dec 29, 2019 17:04
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Blade_of_tyshalle posted:Your holoprison cube has been left in the rubble of your starship. Was it? I assumed they shipped it off to the Daystrom institute after the episode.
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Dec 29, 2019 17:40
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Yeah it'd be pretty dumb to just keep flying around with the thing.
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I don't really recall. I think it would be amusing if they just kinda forgot and it spent the next couple years on a shelf, and during the salvage after Generations nobody knew what it was and just left it there. Poor Mortiarty. Playing No Man's Sky for the rest of time.
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Dec 29, 2019 17:58
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If Star Trek movies were doomed to repeat stories about mad men seeking revenge, Moriarty would have been a perfect villain for a final TNG film. The guy busts out of the daystrom institute with a prototype mobile emitter, you get a Bob Picardo cameo that writes itself
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Dec 29, 2019 18:39
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Speaking of trek movies, Simon Pegg isn't so sure that "Trek 4" is going to be using the same cast. https://comicbook.com/startrek/2019/12/28/star-trek-4-noah-hawley-simon-pegg-new-cast/ quote:He spoke to GoldDerby about the future of the franchise and says that, while he's excited about Hawley's Star Trek, he isn't sure it involves his crew or that it is even Star Trek 4. "I don't know anything about it," Pegg says. "I think Noah Hawley's been hired to write something for Star Trek, which is very exciting. He's a brilliant writer and always creates interesting stuff. Whether or not we're involved with that, I don't know. I don't think so and I don't think Noah's thing is necessarily going to be Star Trek 4." So, it still sounds like any new Trek movies are in the very preliminary stages. I wonder if they are waiting to see what the reception of Star Trek Picard is before deciding on a real direction along with the prior waiting until the merger completed.
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Dec 29, 2019 18:51
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bull3964 posted:So, it still sounds like any new Trek movies are in the very preliminary stages. I wonder if they are waiting to see what the reception of Star Trek Picard is before deciding on a real direction along with the prior waiting until the merger completed. Oh yeah, I can see that. And if Picard does numbers, I can see them doing something TNG-esque in the Kelvin verse.
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Dec 29, 2019 19:08
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The_Doctor posted:Oh yeah, I can see that. And if Picard does numbers, I can see them doing something TNG-esque in the Kelvin verse. Would it have to be in the Kelvin-verse, though, given the merger? They could just set a new movie in the Picard timeline, casual moviegoers wouldn't even notice it's a different universe. Who am I kidding, though, it will be a flat out TNG reboot.
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Dec 29, 2019 19:17
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I would watch a John Cho Sulu spinoff set aboard the Kelvinverse Excelsior. Put Kelvinverse Tuvok in it too, go hog wild
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Dec 29, 2019 19:21
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Everything about Star Trek 2009 Part 4 screams "a contract to do the movie exists, and literally nothing else"
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Dec 29, 2019 19:29
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kelvinverse sucks. boooo.
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Dec 29, 2019 19:34
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ruddiger posted:It was all cg Leia since all her scenes were repurposed clips left out of TLJ. They pasted Carrie Fisher’s head on someone else’s body and shot them against a greenscreen. It’s why she never really moves or turns her head while talking with Rey, it’s all composited. Man, movies have come a long way since Trail of the Pink Panther.
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Sir Lemming posted:Everything about Star Trek 2009 Part 4 screams "a contract to do the movie exists, and literally nothing else" Based on the last comments by Quentin Tarantino about the Star Trek thing I don't think it's happening.
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