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Professorjuggalo
Oct 22, 2019

by Cyrano4747
was the satanic abuse panic a giant collective hysteria over all the grooming and abuse in the west? what the gently caress

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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Professorjuggalo posted:

was the satanic abuse panic a giant collective hysteria over all the grooming and abuse in the west? what the gently caress

it was real

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Professorjuggalo posted:

was the satanic abuse panic a giant collective hysteria over all the grooming and abuse in the west? what the gently caress

Yes, it was a hysteria in response to widespread discovery of the nature and extend of child abuse as a real phenomenon, a way of avoiding the real problem by casting blame away from the trusted and the powerful onto the inscrutable and impossible. It also entailed the construction of a fantasized ideal victim to contrast with the reality that victims of abuse act out in ways that cause them to be judged, punished, and disbelieved.

It’s probably as easy to groom a child in 2019 as it was in 1970, and still people blame the victims and ignore the perpetrators.

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



im not gonna lie the satanic panic stuff kinda confuses me. I also haven't done much reading into it in general please educate me.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




kids got abused and a conspiracy to convince them that their day care teachers were doing it to them in secret rape tunnels under the preschool to summon satan was begun by the rapists through medical, legal, and media influence
the claims being fantastical took all the focus and once disproven cast doubt on whether the abuse was real too

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

The general societal response was a loud minority panic about satanic cults trying to corrupt our children through [whatever they didn't like]. And repeats of child abuse coverup by making it seem like the kids made up satanic bullshit. Oh and a bunch of effort to invent psychological 'truths' that would help with that.

e: there were probably a bunch of false claims of abuse using satanism as the reason to involve the authorities too

taqueso has issued a correction as of 00:31 on Dec 31, 2019

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s hard to discuss in the abstract, but in the highest-profile cases of the decade, there was no verifiable abuse and the stories were invented out of whole cloth by the investigators. For the cases that created it in the first place, like Michelle Remembers, it’s much harder to tell whether there was abuse in the first place, as Michelle had underlying mental problems that made her highly suggestible and an ideal target for abusers.

One thing that’s generally true is that people don’t forget being abused, even as children, and that you can’t confuse someone into thinking they weren’t abused when they were, even if they are children. “Recovered memory” is generally hokum for the same reason: you don’t forget being abused, although you might deny that it had any effect on you or that it matters or that it’s worth acknowledging as part of an attempt at self-protection.

Grand Theft Autobot
Feb 28, 2008

I'm something of a fucking idiot myself
You know the kids were cajoled into blaming Satan because Satan would never do that poo poo to kids.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

It’s not incidental that the phenomenon grew out of conservative communities predisposed to thinking both that the devil was a real, literal, supernatural force and that women working outside the home was a moral abomination and that women must care for their children above all else.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

You know the kids were cajoled into blaming Satan because Satan would never do that poo poo to kids.

Satan just wants the kids to grow up strong and healthy so they can join the battle against the Hypocrite God, the kid raping is Christian projection.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Satan is a libertarian so it fits

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/IllyBocean/status/1211086960644616192
https://twitter.com/bimbocommunist/status/1211466129618530309
https://twitter.com/ProstasiaInc/status/1211482488872112131
https://twitter.com/MichaelJPartyka/status/1211794767551578113

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

strong 'huh, maybe those phrenology wackos had a point' vibes

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

that account is horrifying

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Grand Theft Autobot posted:

You know the kids were cajoled into blaming Satan because Satan would never do that poo poo to kids.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005




with the sudden obsolescence of barnacle jim, another argument for keeping fyad fades into the mist...

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

SlimGoodbody
Oct 20, 2003


Jeremiah Sand was a righteous man

Senju Kannon
Apr 9, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
you know, i'm in favor of an evidence based assessment of pedophiles and child molesters in order to find both preventative treatments and treatments of offenders that can help prevent child abuse, but something tells me this organization isn't doing that

gh0stpinballa
Mar 5, 2019

don't they got pills they can give them now, anti-paedo pills to take away their sex drive, just do that

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

gh0stpinballa posted:

don't they got pills they can give them now, anti-paedo pills to take away their sex drive, just do that

agreedo, pills work so well for turning gay people straight too

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Chemical castration for child fuckers

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


refuse to believe this is anything other than a 4chan thing

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

4chan occupies a weird superposition wrt pedophilia, as they’re always trying to make fake memes equating it with lgbtq liberation in order to turn the public against gay people, who they hate, but also they are pedophiles.

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

screaming the quiet part into an LRAD

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10589347/ghislaine-maxwell-dirt-powerful-people-epstein/


quote:

But by the time Epstein committed suicide earlier this year Ghislaine was "relieved" as it meant that she no longer faced the threat that he could land her in trouble.

"She was more relieved than anything. It may have placed her more in the spotlight but at least he couldn't turn on her," Laura claimed.

Epstein's 57-year old alleged pimp was seen as such a power broker that she always used to brag that it was her who first introduced Donald Trump to his wife Melania.



shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

anytime anything hots the press about ghislaine there's a reason so who the hell is this Laura Goldman anyway?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12289769


quote:

Laura Goldman, 61, a former New York City stockbroker who mixed in Maxwell's social circles, said the alleged "pimp" was "undoubtedly" the mastermind behind Eptein's predatory plans as she was more intelligent and well connected.

*crack*

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2017/03/16/laura-goldman-stalker-white-house-press-pool/

quote:


How Did This Convicted Stalker From Philly Get White House Press Credentials?

 VICTOR FIORILLO 
MARCH 16, 2017 AT 12:25 PM

(White House photo: iStock; Laura Goldman photo: YouTube)

There has been a lot of talk about Donald Trump’s relationship with the press, especially the exclusion of certain media outlets and journalists from White House press events. But apparently it’s not that hard to get into the White House. Case in point: convicted stalker and former federal fugitive Laura Goldman.

Earlier this week, you may have heard that Philadelphia-based coffee mogul Todd Carmichael sent the White House press pool some La Colombe coffee to go with the espresso machine that Tom Hanks had sent the journalists at the beginning of March. A novel public relations stunt by a local entrepreneur. Great.

But what had us most interested was one of the photos used in that story: a Twitter image of the Hanks espresso machine taken on Monday by none other than Goldman, a Rittenhouse Square resident. (Goldman deleted the photo after she found out that we were writing about her.)

What the heck is Laura Goldman doing at the White House? some of us wondered. Really, we’d wonder that of any local journalist-type who winds up at the White House. But in Goldman’s case, things are just a little bit more complicated.

The last we remembered reading anything of hers, it was back in the days when she had a blog called Naked Philadelphian, in which she had some amusing run-ins with Ed Rendell and Sarah Madson, wife of former Phillies player Ryan Madson. But Goldman hasn’t posted there in a few years.

According to her online bio, Goldman is a freelancer, working with the Huffington Post, the Daily Mail, and Good Morning America. Philly Mag reporter Claire Sasko reached out to Goldman to find out why she was hanging out at the White House. “I am part of the WH press pool,” Goldman wrote in reply, later declining to identify which outlet she was working for other than to say it is a “national publication.”

Whomever she’s working for, Goldman has really been getting around. A quick look at her social media presence yields recent photos of her with people like Crossfire alum Bill Press, political commentator James Carville, and MSNBC’s Chris Matthews, plus pictures of her on the White House lawn and in the White House briefing room.

Well, we can only imagine that Goldman’s history is more colorful than most of her new colleagues’.

Before she became a journalist, she was a stockbroker with a Wharton degree. Goldman worked at Merrill Lynch and PaineWebber, and in 1994 she filed a legal claim against the latter. According to the Boston Herald, Goldman’s complaint against PaineWebber alleged that executives there “came on to her constantly and … accused her of sleeping with clients to drum up business.” (The Pennsylvania Human Relations Commission reportedly dismissed her complaint in 1995.)

In 1993, however, while she was working at PaineWebber and before she filed her claim against the firm, she did have some degree of a sexual relationship with married financier Thomas Lee, a PaineWebber client who would go on to orchestrate the $1.7 billion sale of Snapple and make it onto Forbes‘s list of the richest Americans. (He’s currently #335, with a net worth of $2.2 billion.)

Lee would come to regret his fling with Goldman, which took place in Palm Beach. As federal prosecutors would later allege, “Goldman engaged in a lengthy campaign of harassment, threats, and extortion against [Lee] and members of his family from 1994 until … 2002.”

In 1994, several months after Lee declined to continue seeing Goldman, she allegedly began stalking and harassing him, making hundreds of phone calls to Lee and others. She accused Lee of raping her and allegedly attempted to extort money from him in exchange for keeping quiet. (Lee was never charged with a crime.)

In 1995, Lee paid Goldman $200,000 after she signed an affidavit attesting that she had not been raped. But then, said prosecutors, Goldman tried to get more money out of Lee, and he got the feds involved.

Goldman was arrested. After posting $10,000 bail, she was told to stay away from Lee, and the judge also ordered her to stay away from another man: Manhattan psychiatrist Peter Kaplan, the stepson of Toys ‘R’ Us founder Charles Lazarus. According to the Boston Globe, Goldman had had a romantic relationship with Kaplan as well, although the judge’s exact reasoning for the order was never revealed.

Eventually, Goldman entered a plea deal: Federal prosecutors dropped felony extortion charges against her, and she pleaded guilty to a single misdemeanor count of interstate telephone harassment. At the age of 37, she was sentenced to five years of probation. (Around the same time, Goldman was charged by a court in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, with harassing a different man — a former employer — and she later pleaded guilty to that charge, according to court documents.)

She could have served her probation and been done with the federal case. But that’s not what happened.

While she was on probation, prosecutors alleged, she threatened to kill Lee and his children, and also made threats against her probation officer. After she was arrested for these threats, Goldman threatened to kill a judge, according to court documents.

Goldman was given another sentence of probation. Another chance to shape up. But she didn’t. Her probation was revoked due to “abusive conduct” toward members of the probation department and others. The judge sent her to federal prison for four months. She was released in January 1999.

But even that wasn’t the end of it.

In 2000, according to allegations prosecutors presented to the court, Goldman called one of Lee’s attorneys and demanded somewhere between $9 million and $10 million in “war reparations.” The attorney told her no, and Goldman went back to making threats. Unfortunately for Goldman, the feds were listening. Goldman was caught on tape once again making threats against Lee’s children.

“Oh, I know everywhere they go,” prosecutors claimed Goldman responded when Lee’s attorney asked if she was keeping track of Lee’s kids. “That’s my target … I don’t think you realize how serious I am about it.”

Less than a month after that phone call was recorded, an arrest warrant was issued for Goldman. She fled to France, and soon after to Israel. The FBI labeled her a fugitive.

While she was in Israel, Goldman continued her harassment, and she again tried to extort money from Lee.

Eventually, the United States managed to extradite Goldman from Israel. In 2009, at the age of 51, she pleaded guilty to two counts of attempted extortion. Later that year, she was sentenced to five years of probation and told to stay away from Lee and his family. She wasn’t even allowed to enter the counties in which Lee lived and worked.

In 2012, Goldman attempted to have the conditions of her probation changed so that she could travel more freely. The Department of Justice wouldn’t hear of it.

“The travel restrictions in this case have the twofold benefit of freeing the primary victim and his family from worrying about whether the defendant will recommence her harassment of them, and keeping the defendant from locations where she might be tempted to engage in such conduct again,” wrote the United States attorney for Massachusetts in opposition to Goldman’s request. “[T]he protection of the victim and his family should be paramount.”

The judge denied Goldman’s request.

But what apparently wasn’t denied was Goldman’s application for White House press pool credentials. According to a representative of the White House Correspondents’ Association, White House press secretary Sean Spicer himself signs off on every application. We reached out to the White House press office and have yet to receive a reply.

Meanwhile, Goldman declined to “engage” with Philly Mag for this story but promised that her work at the White House would make itself apparent in coming days. “I am very excited about this project,” she wrote.


*ping*

Excelzior
Jun 24, 2013

Ghislaine being the puppetmaster all along is some primo crackping poo poo

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

shame on an IGA posted:

anytime anything hots the press about ghislaine there's a reason so who the hell is this Laura Goldman anyway?

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12289769


*crack*

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2017/03/16/laura-goldman-stalker-white-house-press-pool/



*ping*

Jesus gently caress


Excelzior posted:

Ghislaine being the puppetmaster all along is some primo crackping poo poo

This definitely adds new context to Epstein’s murder and that In-N-Out burger photo of her reading that cia book

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016
Was the in n out photo fake or not because I had heard it was

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:

Was the in n out photo fake or not because I had heard it was

it was fake

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://twitter.com/barstoolsports/status/1212170519602192386?s=21

what the gently caress

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

my favorite part is the dismayed looking chefs in the background.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

And ghislaine being the puppetmaster all but confirms the photo was a threat to the US/CIA by mossad/israel imo

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Well I hope my grandkids get to see a movie about all of this. Or whatever the medium is at that point, paintings in the lobbies of abandoned office buildings or whatever

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

The future is Planet Of The Apes, except it's cops riding on horseback capturing poor children in nets to hand over to barely human rich people.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
2020 is the year ghislaine dies

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
i assume you mean on paper

Inspector Hound
Jul 14, 2003

Ghislaine is one of those fake people made from Google images or whatever

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Inspector Hound posted:

Ghislaine is one of those fake people made from Google images or whatever

They just call that a person nowadays.

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Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 5 days!
CSPAM didnt kill itself

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