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Pomp posted:It still blows mind that Americanized healthcare didn't terrify your voters The NHS being sold off bit by bit is a "frog in a saucepan being slowly brought to boil" situation. It's something older voters have enjoyed since birth and they don't realize that the privatization heat is slowly being turned up, and will happily vote for the hand in control of the temperature.
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AnoHito posted:I think I heard that at least his successor will probably be equally left, so here's to hoping for it. Better Things Aren't Possible, as has been repeatedly proven in the last couple of decades. labour are getting some piece of poo poo left-neolib, and the tories will rule for 10-15 years also, 5 year parliament terms seem a bit long to me
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1st Jan 2020, Brexit getting done. We're in the pipe, five by five.
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Yinlock posted:they bled heavily because of the triangulation they would've bled heavily no matter what, is my point
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BMX Ninja posted:The NHS being sold off bit by bit is a "frog in a saucepan being slowly brought to boil" situation. It's something older voters have enjoyed since birth and they don't realize that the privatization heat is slowly being turned up, and will happily vote for the hand in control of the temperature. Also much like spoiled US white boomers, they don't have to worry about have to live with long term consequences.
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redleader posted:also, 5 year parliament terms seem a bit long to me Honestly, I feel like they're doing everything to make things more like a presidential system, in particular the United States, and it just strikes me as awful and bad.
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comedyblissoption posted:https://twitter.com/RobMcLondon/status/1211397086111051780 lmao I'm not owned, I wanted to be owned
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foobardog posted:Honestly, I feel like they're doing everything to make things more like a presidential system, in particular the United States, and it just strikes me as awful and bad. yeah it's happening everywhere tbh. a party's success more and more comes down to how charismatic their leader is (at least it seems that way. dunno how it worked back in the days before tv and the days before radio) also right wing parties across the globe have all noticed how effective republican tactics have been and are merrily adopting those, which bodes extremely well for the future of life on this planet
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redleader posted:yeah it's happening everywhere tbh. a party's success more and more comes down to how charismatic their leader is it's not Politics has always come down to charisma and the idea it's not is stupid nerd whining about modern technology and poo poo.
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redleader posted:also, 5 year parliament terms seem a bit long to me it's just another of the things that Labour was going to attack, per its manifesto, and more's the pity that now it's not going to happen
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gradenko_2000 posted:it's just another of the things that Labour was going to attack, per its manifesto, and more's the pity that now it's not going to happen too bad it wasn't brexit-related and thus was invisible to the public
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Agean90 posted:it's not boris has no charisma whatsoever but has a media empire dedicated to convincing everyone he does
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Yinlock posted:boris has no charisma whatsoever but has a media empire convincing everyone he does same difference, Julius ceasar wrote an book entirely about how rad he was so he wouldn't have to make speeches and poo poo and Athens kicked out one of their only good generals in the middle of a war cause of gossip and poo poo.
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Jan 1, 2020 03:24
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The BBC literally acted as Boris's editor lmao
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Agean90 posted:it's not thank u
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Agean90 posted:same difference, Julius ceasar wrote an book entirely about how rad he was so he wouldn't have to make speeches and poo poo and Athens kicked out one of their only good generals in the middle of a war cause of gossip and poo poo. If you're referring to Alcibiades it's actually because he was a poo poo general who thought invading Sicily was a good idea. (it wasn't)
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:they have no referential experience to even comprehend it they didn’t get Breaking Bad in England?
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Pomp posted:It still blows mind that Americanized healthcare didn't terrify your voters even americans in america who haven't had to deal w/ the healthcare system's problems [yet] don't understand it
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Bust Rodd posted:they didn’t get Breaking Bad in England?
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Corbyn was systematically denied opportunities to speak about Labour's manifesto, which had worked well for him in the last election. I believe that is the number one reason they lost. The media, the opposition and centrist forces in his own party conspired to reduce the election to a single issue election, over an issue which, at that point in time, was a foregone conclusion anyway. Brexit will happen, eventually, and it will suck for the British. I think it's simplistic to say that Brexit is all the people cared about anyway, seeing as they were given little choice in the matter. Had Corbyn been allowed run a campaign based on actual politics, on class, values and policies, then the result would have been very different, I believe. The charges of antisemitism were just one more smear in a number of outlandish claims Corbyns enemies and the media had tried to brand him with, and while I would hardly say that this one stuck in the sense that people actually believed it, it did serve to distract from his message and allow the media to cover Corbyn, but not his politics. Was it a personal failing for Corbyn to "dither" on Brexit? I don't know; I believed in his early strategy of keeping out of it and letting the Tories be the party that tore themselves up over it. Why touch the poop before it's actually your responsibility? Ultimately, the traitors in his own party were the ones who scuttled this position, and after much damaging back and forth forced him to a compromised second referendum position. In hindsight I would have preferred that he told the remainers to gently caress themselves, and staked out a pragmatic Brexit position based around respecting the people's vote and perhaps a healthy dash of eurosceptism. I don't believe that would have helped Labour's chances much given everything else, but it would seem like a lot of the people he were catering to would rather have him lose than the party win anyway, so why even try? thotsky has issued a correction as of 12:33 on Jan 1, 2020 |
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thotsky posted:Corbyn was systematically denied opportunities to speak about Labour's manifesto, which had worked well for him in the last election. I believe that is the number one reason they lost. The main thing Corbyn really should have done with hindsight is open the selection for MP seats. Trying to keep the PLP on board failed miserably.
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it just kind of reminds me of how it was actually the Democratic National Committee completely Ratfucked Bernie in 2016 and effectively splintered the leftist vote so badly that Hilary was in serious danger of losing what should have been the easiest election in American History (because she want a great candidate who didn’t campaign properly.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The BBC literally acted as Boris's editor lmao Would be hilarious if Boris "reforms" / sells off the whole BBC to return the favor? etalian has issued a correction as of 17:03 on Jan 1, 2020 |
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etalian posted:Would be hilarious if Boris "reforms" / sells off the whole BBC to return the favor. this would be excellent to all the people who decision it was to give johnson a smooth sail into no10
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Bedshaped posted:this would be excellent to all the people who decision it was to give johnson a smooth sail into no10 Boris reform would be the privatize the BBC by selling it to Rupert Murdoch. Maybe spice it up post-reform like adding some Page 6 girls to the boring website.
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Bust Rodd posted:they didn’t get Breaking Bad in England?
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the bbc have forfeited decent, respectful treatment.
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Bust Rodd posted:it just kind of reminds me of how it was actually the Democratic National Committee completely Ratfucked Bernie in 2016 and effectively splintered the leftist vote so badly that Hilary was in serious danger of losing what should have been the easiest election in American History (because she want a great candidate who didn’t campaign properly. Bernie voters showed up and voted for hillary in large
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yeah bernie -> hillary voters was a larger share than hillary -> obama voters and she still lost lol
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Bust Rodd posted:it just kind of reminds me of how it was actually the Democratic National Committee completely Ratfucked Bernie in 2016 and effectively splintered the leftist vote so badly that Hilary was in serious danger of losing what should have been the easiest election in American History (because she want a great candidate who didn’t campaign properly. Bernie voters are more reliable dem voters than centrists
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Anyways Corbyn should have smashed that purge button
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Lawman 0 posted:Anyways Corbyn should have smashed that purge button It was the most maddening thing about him
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Nonsense posted:It was the most maddening thing about him Like I think honestly doing that and maybe going to soft lexit with maybe a promise of fair trade deals would have probably stopped alot of the bleeding. Although I still think they would have lost just not as badly
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With perfect hindsight, Corbyn should have stepped down after the Brexit referendum, or failing that, after he lost the election against Theresa May. Him insisting on having a third chance meant Labour and Britain going into the abyss it has.
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hakimashou posted:With perfect hindsight, Corbyn should have stepped down after the Brexit referendum, or failing that, after he lost the election against Theresa May. Him insisting on having a third chance meant Labour and Britain going into the abyss it has. this is an impossibly bad take
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of all the idiot lib talking points about corbyn, the absurd attempt to spin 2017 as a retroactive loss is probably the most annoying. it certainly was not perceived as such by anyone at the time, and the party made an important advance that nobody thought at all possible. it is simply transparent bad faith and another indication that for liberals, rationality is a very relative concept
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Lawman 0 posted:So how badly is boris gonna screw voting rights? Eh, one way in which Johnson's similar to Trump is that he just wanted to be leader: he didn't come into office with any particular plan of stuff to do and he doesn't really care about anything much, except for how it reflects on him. If Johnson was left to himself he'd just bumble along for 5 years, making speeches, doing publicity stunts and changing very little. There are genuine ideologues in the Cabinet, so it becomes a question of how far they'll be able to influence Johnson to buy into their right-wing projects.
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Reminder that the most charismatic electable alternative leader the Labour centre and right could find when they were all unified against Corbyn was Owen Smith
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Lawman 0 posted:Anyways Corbyn should have smashed that purge button  I always respected Corbyn for his high-mindedness but it's clear now just how far that gets you when every other political and media actor is acting with transparent cynicism. Going forwards, the Labour party has to fight much, much dirtier if it's going to make any headway.
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