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goodog posted:I think the extent of their thinking was: I always forget that the stage play was such a huge cultural force for a while. It's been a punchline for my entire life but yeah I guess in its heyday it was basically mega-Hamilton.
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Jan 2, 2020 18:57
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Honestly not really sure what to make of this. I actually..don't think it's weird enough to hit the cult / midnight movie status? But it's also still pretty goddamn strange - there's a weird nightmare logic to it and the cat-people are way into the uncanny valley. I thought it was overall ok for what it is, though to be fair I was a theater kid for a while so I'm probably numb to some of it. My biggest gripe is that a solid half of the songs are just middling to bad. I think it's Red Letter Media who said that the best bad movies are always finding new ways to be bad. I think with Cats while the premise is weird, the biggest issues stem from the boring and unimaginative direction. It's a barf movie in exactly the same ways throughout. So yeah, once the instant hype surrounding the movie be gins to fade, I don't think there's any real reason people will come back to it.
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Jan 2, 2020 20:19
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General Dog posted:Release the Jellicle Cut you cowards
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Jan 2, 2020 20:26
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Simplex posted:I think it's Red Letter Media who said that the best bad movies are always finding new ways to be bad. I disagree, there's plenty of incredibly strange choices through the entire thing. The weird sexuality, the strange faces on the mice and roaches, the bizarre choices made by respected actors like Ian McKellan and Idris Elba, the fact that the cats start mewling in approval at the end of various songs only about halfway into the movie, how drat strange everything looks even once you get past the quality of the CG. And even the generic direction leads to scenes like Judi Dench lecturing the audience for three minutes after the story has already ended. goodog posted:I think the extent of their thinking was: This is absolutely what happened, and what makes it so great is that nobody ever thought "wait, maybe an adaptation of one of the greatest novels ever written will translate better to film than a collection of nonsense poetry about cats."
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Jan 2, 2020 21:20
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sethsez posted:And even the generic direction leads to scenes like Judi Dench lecturing the audience for three minutes after the story has already ended. When I saw Cats, someone in my theater said "What the gently caress?" about a minute into that scene. The entire theater (about 1/8 full) burst into laughter.
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Jan 2, 2020 21:38
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Jan 2, 2020 22:37
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goodog posted:I think the extent of their thinking was: a funny addendum to this is that Universal had originally slated the adaptation of Wicked, which would translate far more easily to film, for the same release date (it's now coming Christmas 2021)
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Jan 2, 2020 23:05
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So help me I’m seeing this before it leaves the theater.
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Jan 3, 2020 00:21
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I always forget that the stage play was such a huge cultural force for a while. It's been a punchline for my entire life but yeah I guess in its heyday it was basically mega-Hamilton. I am not looking forward to the adaptations of Hamilton where ill be screaming at the screens that he was an imperialistic fucker with stupid loving ideas that only got so far because Washington was dense as rocks, that he was lucky Jefferson and Adams didnt neck him, and Aaron Burr did us all a favour. gently caress Hamilton.
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Jan 3, 2020 00:43
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Starring Scarlet Johansson as Hamilton
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Jan 3, 2020 00:51
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Simplex posted:I think it's Red Letter Media who said that the best bad movies are always finding new ways to be bad. It helps if you've seen the musical because I have and holy poo poo every change they made from the musical to the movie is baffling. The major addition they added for the movie is scenes of nut shots. The new song is literally a song about how the most sympathetic character in the movie actually doesn't have it bad and that Victoria's life is way worse. Jennyanydots ripping her skin off. Everything about their interpretation of Jennyanydots.
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Jan 3, 2020 00:52
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Maxwell Lord posted:So help me I’m seeing this before it leaves the theater. It's definitely worth seeing on the big screen, for better or for worse.
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Jan 3, 2020 00:52
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I finally got around to watching the 1998 Direct-to-video recording and I actually liked it a lot.
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Jan 3, 2020 01:05
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I would argue the lowest point of the movie is the stretch of 3 to 4 songs (somewhere around judi Dench cat appearing to just before train cat) where all the singers are filmed with extreme close ups but otherwise every other part is pure insanity
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Jan 3, 2020 01:10
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I'm bummed theres no Drafthouse near me so I can drunkwatch this with like-minded strangers.
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Jan 3, 2020 01:50
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YggiDee posted:I finally got around to watching the 1998 Direct-to-video recording and I actually liked it a lot. Yeah it's still silly as gently caress but it's a lot better than the movie. And it keeps intact the weird racism! Well, some of it. Cats originally had a song called Growltiger's Last Stand (of which about four lines are in the movie) and oh boy TS Eliot was a product of his time with regard to Asian people.
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Jan 3, 2020 01:58
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Lid posted:I am not looking forward to the adaptations of Hamilton where ill be screaming at the screens that he was an imperialistic fucker with stupid loving ideas that only got so far because Washington was dense as rocks, that he was lucky Jefferson and Adams didnt neck him, and Aaron Burr did us all a favour. You uh, don’t have to do that you know
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Jan 3, 2020 03:08
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Gumball Gumption posted:It helps if you've seen the musical because I have and holy poo poo every change they made from the musical to the movie is baffling. The major addition they added for the movie is scenes of nut shots. The new song is literally a song about how the most sympathetic character in the movie actually doesn't have it bad and that Victoria's life is way worse. Jennyanydots ripping her skin off. Everything about their interpretation of Jennyanydots. Like the stuff they obviously added to make it more of a narrative, makes it work less well as a narrative. My experience with the show before this was I heard a bit of the soundtrack when I was on a family trip. So, I remember the Gumbie Cat thing. The whole joke being, this lazy cat is actually working hard behind the scenes to be some weird kinda schoolmarm to all the pests. But they still want Rebel Wilson to be clumsy and awkward because that's her thing so that's the whole number. (Also Tom Hooper does not know how to stage a production number at all.)
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Jan 3, 2020 04:02
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I went into this without having seen any clips or knowing any details, I don't think I've ever had such a visceral reaction to a movie in my life. Like actual involuntary nervous system responses to the things. Kind of want to see it again but also don't want to see it again. Skimbleshanks was nice.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:10
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I’d like to see a cut without any of Rebel Wilson and James Cordon’s lovely obviously last minute punched-up “jokes.” It comes close to committing to the insanity that is Cats otherwise.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:25
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The Jennyanydots and Bustopher Jones bits are pretty awful, and I really didn't think much of Idris Elba and Ian McKellan's singing. However, as mentioned before, Skimbleshanks' routine owns loving bones, and some of the other performances do as well. Grizabella is weird because you have Jennifer Hudson absolutely crushing the song, but her face doesn't really fit quite right on the cat. It's like watching opera as performed by The Annoying Orange. The bits that were tossed in to make it plausibly 3D didn't help, either. Also, you get a Judi Dench crotch shot. All in all, Cats (2019) is a movie of contrasts.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:30
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you have to keep the judy dench crotch shot
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Jan 3, 2020 04:34
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It's the one artistic choice that really gives the people what they want.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:41
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Bogus Adventure posted:It's the one artistic choice that really gives the people what they want. skimbleshanks mustache 
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Jan 3, 2020 04:44
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Pick posted:skimbleshanks mustache Only a true Railway Cat can rock facial hair like that.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:46
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I liked his Scottish accent in the 1998 version though.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:56
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Yeah, but 2019 has a really awesome tap number. It also represents whistle tips (got that WHOO-WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO).
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Jan 3, 2020 05:00
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, but 2019 has a really awesome tap number. It also represents whistle tips (got that WHOO-WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO). There is a Skimbleshanks out there for everyone!
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Jan 3, 2020 05:01
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Bogus Adventure posted:The Jennyanydots and Bustopher Jones bits are pretty awful, and I really didn't think much of Idris Elba and Ian McKellan's singing. However, as mentioned before, Skimbleshanks' routine owns loving bones, and some of the other performances do as well. Grizabella is weird because you have Jennifer Hudson absolutely crushing the song, but her face doesn't really fit quite right on the cat. It's like watching opera as performed by The Annoying Orange. But the jennyanydots bit is the one with the mice and roaches and the fursuit! That's key to the whole experience!
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Jan 3, 2020 05:04
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I knew the bare, bare basics of the musical going in. As in a couple of character names and that The Nanny TV show constantly made fun of it. The film A+ as a spectacle. I can separate that from the quality of everything else. There is plenty I dislike about the movie - Rebel Wilson, the "Naming of Cats" bit which shouldn't be there at all, the opening Jellicle Cats song. It's just that the spectacle of it fascinates me so much more and I think I love it. (Skimbleshanks is awesome.)
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Jan 3, 2020 05:05
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HopperUK posted:There is a Skimbleshanks out there for everyone! Skimbleshanks Jellicle Cat is Best Jellicle Cat. Skellybones posted:But the jennyanydots bit is the one with the mice and roaches and the fursuit! That's key to the whole experience! Seeing Jennyanydots repeatedly eat roaches with human faces was incredibly disturbing. That coupled with the green screen made that scene the stuff of nightmares.
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Jan 3, 2020 05:07
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All the composite shots in this film were like the CSO shots in a 70s Doctor Who episode. It’s astonishingly inept. At this point I assume all the “patches” have gone out but I still saw human hands, rings, at one point a couple of cats are wearing sneakers- and I can’t even tell if those are mistakes because I can’t tell what they’re aiming for. Do they want it to look kinda unreal? Do they want to call attention to the artifice? It’s not committed to an aesthetic so everything just kinda looks wrong.
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Jan 3, 2020 05:40
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Bogus Adventure posted:When I saw Cats, someone in my theater said "What the gently caress?" about a minute into that scene. The entire theater (about 1/8 full) burst into laughter. Right after that bit ended someone loudly exclaimed "Wow! That movie really spoke to me!" and got laughs. There were a grand total of 7 people in that theater though.
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Jan 3, 2020 06:35
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Bogus Adventure posted:Yeah, but 2019 has a really awesome tap number. It also represents whistle tips (got that WHOO-WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO). The Whooo Whooooooo is actually a little Starlight Express reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6WuvdmGJ-E
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Jan 3, 2020 09:50
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Maxwell Lord posted:All the composite shots in this film were like the CSO shots in a 70s Doctor Who episode. It’s astonishingly inept. There's an interesting video that they released before the trailer dropped that explains some of the performance/choreography choices. They were excited because the movie brought in some of the top performers in ballet, tap, jazz, and hip hop dancing. The two cats with sneakers are the hip hop dancers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN4_28J8gAg TTBF posted:Right after that bit ended someone loudly exclaimed "Wow! That movie really spoke to me!" and got laughs. There were a grand total of 7 people in that theater though. lol Robotnik Nudes posted:The Whooo Whooooooo is actually a little Starlight Express reference You're obviously right, but I'm going pretend that it's a reference to Oakland whistle tips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZD-ADArwXo
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Jan 3, 2020 09:56
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Someone in my theater did a loud gasp when Judi Dench told Jennifer Huston she was the Jellicle Choice which was a fantastic gag
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Jan 3, 2020 10:00
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It really was Skimbleshanks who should have got to die
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Jan 3, 2020 16:35
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Rum Tum Tugger was about to win and then he'd spend the entire time trying to leave again. Foolishly, one cannot gently caress their way back out of the Heaviside Layer.
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