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FizFashizzle posted:I'm sure the various republicans will be very concerned about this attack but are going to wait until they have all the facts and it's not as if Soleimani was some angel.
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FizFashizzle posted:I'm sure the various republicans will be very concerned about this attack but are going to wait until they have all the facts and it's not as if Soleimani was some angel. Well the attack alone would be fine. Its Iran's response that will be less fine. And I can't see how Iran doesn't respond. Soleimani was like the poster boy of the hardliners. He was the dude helping out Assad in Syria. The dude visiting Nasrallah in Lebanon. The dude setting up militias to fight IS when it looked like Baghdad might fall. And whatever stuff he did that he didn't get photographed doing, probably poo poo in Yemen Afghanistan and elsewhere. For this guy to be offed, and in such a blatant fashion just requires a response. I have no idea what it will be. And surely the US will be expected a response, and will have airstrikes or something lined up as a tit for tat. I'm usually the guy saying war with Iran won't happen because it'd be so loving stupid, but this time I'm not sure .
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In the other thread I said the revolution should draft the boomers first thing, but in all honesty Marco Rubio should be drafted and put at the front of the brigade If he wants his war then he can go ahead and fight it personally. My generation is sick of being your cannon fodder.
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This will be the reaction from pretty much all Republicans while like 80% of Democrats will do the "very concerned" thing while still cheerleading this.
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They're basically all-in on "dude had it coming, and if Iran does anything, it's their fault for starting a war."
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So uh... how do Iranian citizens feel about this? Is this purely a military/geopolitical escalation or are regular Iranian (or Iraqi) people also going to see this as a casus belli?
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Redmark posted:So uh... how do Iranian citizens feel about this? Is this purely a military/geopolitical escalation or are regular Iranian (or Iraqi) people also going to see this as a casus belli?
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Redmark posted:So uh... how do Iranian citizens feel about this? Is this purely a military/geopolitical escalation or are regular Iranian (or Iraqi) people also going to see this as a casus belli? There's been a lot of resentment inside Iran regarding its adventurism inside Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. Its viewed as a waste of money, considering the severe economic problems the country has. I don't know how popular Soleimani was personally. I'd say popular among the hawks. I don't know what reformers think of the guy.
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Redmark posted:So uh... how do Iranian citizens feel about this? Is this purely a military/geopolitical escalation or are regular Iranian (or Iraqi) people also going to see this as a casus belli? The US killed a high-ranking foreign state official. By any sane definition, we pretty much declared war on Iran. Iraq would be well within its rights to expel the US from the country immediately for this. I can’t speak for Iranians as a whole though and pretty much any pundit who claims to today is likely wrong.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:33
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Imagine the poo poo-eating grin on Bibi's face right now.
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Retro42 posted:The US killed a high-ranking foreign state official. By any sane definition, we pretty much declared war on Iran. Iraq would be well within its rights to expel the US from the country immediately for this. Yeah I see that much, but was wondering what people closer to the ground think. IMO there's a tendency for westerners (or people otherwise not culturally linked) to speak too much for people in the area based on only geopolitical concerns (which are valid, but not the only thing). Like Grouchio's post, no offense dude but I don't really think you're an expert here.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:37
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https://twitter.com/macaronjoe/status/1212915684335869959?s=21 Well then.
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And guys that was not a serious take by me, just a predicted republican response.
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Count Roland posted:Imagine the poo poo-eating grin on Bibi's face right now. I'm sure this will help his situation in Israel too.
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pro starcraft loser posted:I'm sure this will help his situation in Israel too. What are the chances this is a false flag action by Israel to get Netanyahu out of trouble?
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SchrodingersCat posted:What are the chances this is a false flag action by Israel to get Netanyahu out of trouble?
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SchrodingersCat posted:What are the chances this is a false flag action by Israel to get Netanyahu out of trouble? It's not a false flag,the US confirmed it. That might be /on the behalf/ for him but it's, definitionally, not a false flag.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:44
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Soleimani is basicaly the head of Irans CIA/spec ops and responsible for alot of the proxy conflicts in iraq and other places as well as syria. US had him on a kill list but never did it because he is a state official and pulling that trigger without a gently caress ton of cover would start poo poo. big. Neither he nor Iran were 'responsible' for the conflicts but yes.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:47
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Jan 3, 2020 03:50
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Republicans gonna be ecstatic tomorrow! https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1212929187381698561
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Jan 3, 2020 03:58
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"Deterring". Uh huh. Thats whats gonna happen alright.
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Jan 3, 2020 04:05
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I know that Iran has the option to do nothing in return. Real talk, how unlikely is that? This seems like something they pretty much have to respond to in some way to me, but I'm also an idiot.
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Republican politicians have wanted war with Iran a lot longer than Trump has. They aren't going along with it to kiss his rear end, this is what they wanted, and arguably he's the one kissing rear end by escalating for them.
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Sinteres posted:I guess we're about to find out if Iran's a paper tiger that's been bluffing their way through the intensifying skirmishing up until now. We absolutely started this fight when Trump tore up the Iran deal, and now we're escalating, so if Iran has any cards to play, we should be seeing them soon. They're still obviously by far the weaker country though, so taking the L could be the more rational course of action, even if war would also be bad for us. I'm expecting Iranian attacks on US boats, bases, allied oil fields by morning personally
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Jan 3, 2020 04:13
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pro starcraft loser posted:Hearing that on this thread is unusual. What did he do? Helped start the blow the gently caress out of US transport IED industry in Iraq for one He was extraordinarily effective in foiling US interests or allaying them for greater Iran influence its like a combination of Che and Eisenhower just got blown up by the Soviets unusual times
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My good friend who is from Iraq is both very happy all those people are dead, but is also trying to figure out how to get his family out of the country temporarily. I think that gets across the conflicted feelings over what’s happened.
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Shageletic posted:I'm expecting Iranian attacks on US boats, bases, allied oil fields by morning personally it's a great question. the hope and prayer is that they take it in the chin, smile, and do nothing. that requires a degree of restraint that is extremely, extremely unlikely
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Sinteres posted:Republican politicians have wanted war with Iran a lot longer than Trump has. They aren't going along with it to kiss his rear end, this is what they wanted, and arguably he's the one kissing rear end by escalating for them. Even Ben Sasse, who was 7 when the hostage crisis went down: https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/1212932222610788352?s=20
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https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1212933799253889024?s=20 https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1212933801816539136?s=20 Lindsey finally managed to get one hand free I see.
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Retro42 posted:The US killed a high-ranking foreign state official. By any sane definition, we pretty much declared war on Iran. Iraq would be well within its rights to expel the US from the country immediately for this. Trump is mulling giving clemency to the blackwater guy who started the nissour square massacre so yeah I dont see Iraq backing down
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Shageletic posted:I'm expecting Iranian attacks on US boats, bases, allied oil fields by morning personally Their morning or EST? It's already morning there. I'm not sure what the desire/capability is for most nations with regards to day/night attacks. Or if it even matters when retaliating against US forces.
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Shageletic posted:I'm expecting Iranian attacks on US boats, bases, allied oil fields by morning personally I am expecting attacks on allied oil fields and shipping. I am also expecting that Iran will try to get OPEC to gently caress up oil production, but the US has kind of cut that leash. If Iran attacks actual US bases or boats then I think all bets are off.
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pro starcraft loser posted:Hearing that on this thread is unusual. What did he do? you know how Iraq turned into a proxy war between America and Iran that Iran resoundingly, overwhelmingly won he gets an awful lot of the credit. got a lot of US soldiers killed, got a lot of Iraqis loyal to the US killed, and was the guy who turned ISIS back when it looked like they might take Baghdad. there's a reason we'd been looking for any opportunity to get him dead in a plausibly deniable way for decades: he was very, very good at his job. and one of the ways he was good at it was you needed a very plausibly deniable way to kill him, because it was well understood at all levels that his death would result in extremely bloody retaliation on the people who killed him.
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Very cool of Graham to openly threaten to murder civilians. https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1212933800914755584
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One of the people arrested by the US Marines in planning the embassy attack was Hadi Al-Amiri. who was actually part of a small Iranian delegation that visited the white house back in 2011. Amiri was the transportation minister, however he also fought on the side of the Iranians, as part of the Badr Brigade, during the Iran–Iraq war.
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The Ape of Naples posted:Their morning or EST? It's already morning there. I'm not sure what the desire/capability is for most nations with regards to day/night attacks. Or if it even matters when retaliating against US forces. EST
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If the prominent leader of a foreign military that the US is hostile to was confident enough to openly set foot in Iraq (as opposed to sending underlings), a country that the US has military presence in, doesn't that mean there must have been some sort of tacit understanding/safe passage between the US and Iran? So isn't this essentially an assassination? This is something on the level of North Korea assassinating an American general in South Korea right?
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https://twitter.com/politico/status/1212778092646871041?s=21 Ayup, they're just straight-up declaring war on the PMU.
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