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Discendo Vox posted:I have begun NGUing and have found I am compelled to max out any item as soon as it's theoretically possible. I have unfortunately included the forest pendant and looty on this list. Oh, that's not going to work. You will need approximately 9 quadrillion of each, don't worry later places drop higher leveled versions. I'm not joking
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pixaal posted:Oh, that's not going to work. You will need approximately 9 quadrillion of each, don't worry later places drop higher leveled versions. I'm not joking  As if i didn't rush to read the whole wiki the instant looty popped out of the pit to make sure there was a way to max him and that I didn't have to worry about permanently losing the chance to max an item
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Discendo Vox posted:I have begun NGUing and have found I am compelled to max out any item as soon as it's theoretically possible. I have unfortunately included the forest pendant and looty on this list. NGVux when Vox. Caustic Soda, add it. But hello friend. I have 4 of 5 of [spoiler]The Unmentionable's[/url] rings now, just missing Utility. And Might is already vastly better than the paperweight, and I just got Looty transformed.
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Manuel Calavera posted:NGVux when Vox. Caustic Soda, add it. But hello friend. NGVux would basically be escalating and extending the challenge system, based on my limited perception so far. Yeesh these seem time-costly. But idk the game and its underlying design well enough to write game design fanfic yet. no wait that's a lie I would add a Crush Crush dating sim layer, but with romancing inanimate objects.
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Jan 3, 2020 03:21
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But when does the muriatic acid come in.
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Discendo Vox posted:
Badly Drawn World is when you should worry about maxing looty because that's when the drop chance falls away like a rock. It also helps that the head and weapon in this zone have incredibly useful special stats, so it's worth maxing the items out.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:gently caress you walderp you punk rear end bitch, can't wait to AK you It takes a loving age to do that too :/ I've been slowly at it for the last 2 weeks slowly building up stats and completing challenges to help more quickly build up adventure stats. Even with all of that it's been an over 48 hour rebirth so far and i'm still about 1.2 million power away from being able to idle him. His drops are basically essential to get to that point but the 2 and a half hour respawn time makes this bit a bugger, especially if you can only actively 'play' for a short while in the evening. 
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Kin posted:2 and a half hour respawn time Are you at the point where you can quickly clear no rebirth challenges?
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:Are you at the point where you can quickly clear no rebirth challenges? It depends on how big of a bonus you have banked with Fruit of Power Beta and whether you have Windows MEH unlocked. Definitely consider maxing King Circle's Amulet since it's an early source of Wandoos boost. The first no rebirth shouldn't be that hard to knock out at that level, but you're still looking at an at least hour-long run because of the bonuses from fruits.
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I've managed to complete the no rebirth challenge just twice. First time took ~8 hours and the second time i managed to get it down to ~5. I've got Window MEH unlocked but no fruit of power Beta. Never thought about changing out gear though (i'm currently wearing the full beardverse set plus a level 2 cane of destiny from Walderp. IIRC, I got to boss 24 in about 15 minutes but then there was a drag of an hour or so to get to level 30 and the time machine. After that i think i spent most of the time trying to get up from boss 40 to 45 even with dumping all my energy/magic into Wandoos. I wasn't really sure how to get it to go up faster, though my NGU power alpha is only at level 1000 (power beta is at 244) so presumably i should have those a hell of a lot higher before attempting it again.
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Kin posted:I've managed to complete the no rebirth challenge just twice. for challenges you really need to worry about the power, augment, wandoos, and gold energy ngus and should keep them roughly at the same level dont really worry about magic ngus too much for challenges, but they need to get pumped up as you start working through the Beast
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Hmm, well my NGU Energies are all at level 1000. Is that kinda low for where i'm at? It would be good to get a few pointers in what to invest in to set me up for the next stages of the game really. I've been idling the advanced training so i can auto kill Walderp and reap the exp that comes with it in order to then throw that into more energy and magic which in turn will speed up everything, but i'm wondering if it would be more efficient to forget Walderp just now and instead focus on other things like levelling up my NGU's to 2000 or 24 hour rebirths to get all of my beards up to level 1000. Which in turn will make the Walderp grind a lot faster. Challenge wise, i've completed the basic, no augs, 100 level and No equipment ones. I've got a couple of completions in the 24 hour, troll and no rebirth challenge, but 0 in the rest.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:54
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Getting the adventure stats high enough to auto-kill Walderp also comes with the added bonus of faster PP accumulation. If you can stack various gold drop accessories and put some PP into gold drops, you can then use improved GPS generation to upgrade gold diggers and create something of a feedback loop. You'll ultimately get more experience points and you can use that to increase your Energy Cap. Besides, if you're going to do the challenges, it's better to first max out the Basic Challenge, No Augs Challenge and 100 Level Challenge (though I've just noticed you've done these, so...). These seem to be the easiest to do first and their bonuses help considerably with the No Rebirth Challenge. Not to mention you'll get so much total AP out of them that you'll be able to buy an Accessory Slot or two.
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Jan 3, 2020 18:34
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NGUs should be going up all the time. They're the big persistent-across-rebirths progression mechanism at the point you're at now. Ignore the soft-caps, they're not particularly meaningful. Keep those numbers going up. Beards are the other big one, definitely chain 24hr rebirths and start stacking those up. 24hrs are also great for Ygg - you do have the first harvest perks, right?
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Kin posted:Hmm, well my NGU Energies are all at level 1000. Is that kinda low for where i'm at? By the time I was autokilling Walderp, I had them at 10k. Adventure in particular doesn't seem to suffer much from its softcap, though respawn immediately falls off a cliff.
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Kin posted:I've been idling the advanced training so i can auto kill Walderp and reap the exp that comes with it in order to then throw that into more energy and magic which in turn will speed up everything How long are you idling that? The thing with AT is that anything you invest in it vanishes in a puff of smoke when you rebirth. If you're spending more than an hour or two on it each rebirth, you should probably be throwing all that energy into adventure NGU which gives you a bonus for the entire rest of the game.
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Bedurndurn posted:How long are you idling that? The thing with AT is that anything you invest in it vanishes in a puff of smoke when you rebirth. If you're spending more than an hour or two on it each rebirth, you should probably be throwing all that energy into adventure NGU which gives you a bonus for the entire rest of the game. 1. That’s what banks are for. 2. It makes total sense to do a long rebirth with an advanced training focus in order to push into a new zone because any loss of stats at rebirth are offset by the gain from new equipment.
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Where in the stat breakdowns for PP is the Base PP Progress per kill that you get from wishes and quirks listed? I bought the 50 levels from quirks at the launch of sadistic and got a decent PP boost but got almost nothing at all from training 10 levels of the wish which i found a bit odd. The PP stat breakdown is as follows: Base Green Heart Pissed Off Key PPP Set NGU Digger Perk Hack Total PP Bonus Base PP progress Gain Total PP progress Gain Base just says 100% so its not there.
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Cool, thanks for the steer. I'll make the transition to pumping up my NGUs to the 10k ish level my next priority if that then helps with the challenges and subsequent titan timer. Spending more than 2 days idling in the advanced training and still not being able to autokill walderp is making me think it's not the most efficient use of time. For perks,I've not got the 1st harvest one yet, but i've got 13/20 for the I want your seeds perk. Kin fucked around with this message at 21:07 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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Discendo Vox posted:I have begun NGUing and have found I am compelled to max out any item as soon as it's theoretically possible. I have unfortunately included the forest pendant and looty on this list. I got bad news about your progression if you are intent on your goal of maxxing ALL items as soon as theoretically possible before moving on to other areas.
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In terms of PP, what should I be looking to spend it on? I've mainly only bought bonuses to my magic and energy, but I've got 38 PP saved now and there's plenty of choices. Should I max out those early bonuses, or save up some more for a better perk?
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The general rule of thumb is you will want to complete that first row of perks before worrying much about the others, with the exception of the 1000 level one that can be skipped until later.
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mrbasehart posted:In terms of PP, what should I be looking to spend it on? I've mainly only bought bonuses to my magic and energy, but I've got 38 PP saved now and there's plenty of choices. Should I max out those early bonuses, or save up some more for a better perk? first get all the newbie packs secondly max out the energy/magic power and capacity perks you should take the energy bars perks after finishing titan 4 and getting beards, but no really before then. magic bars can be kind of taken really later, since the energy based beards are really good for pushing game progress, but the magic beards are really only good for challenge applications. well except for the golden beard, but thats way off in the distance at this point in game sos really shouldn't enter into the calculus you might want to invest points in the insta-advanced training perk but really no more than a couple of levels so you get a free +10-15% buff on adventure stats and Wandoos speed up after that you should sink some levels (though you shouldn't max this just yet though) into golden showers for a gold boost to improve diggers and begin to max out boosted boosts and then the NGU speedups after that you're probably going to want to prepare for maxxing out Fruit of Knowledge and all the related Yggsdrasil perks (Seeds, First Harvest, FoK Sucks, FoK Sucks II)
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Kin posted:It takes a loving age to do that too :/ Honestly I did like a ~4 day rebirth where I was solidly in the "being able to idle him" camp before rebirthing. Having that time where you can just accumulate his items+xp on a regular schedule is gonna help a ton with jumpstarting towards idling.
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Ok i need some advice on what to spend my xp on in NGU Just maxed the typo zone gear (but not greened it). R3 atm looks like power 113 2,726 Cap 6,060,000 110,000,000 bars 146 1098 Ive maxed my r3 teir 1 wishes Almost maxed t2 PP T1 quest i just have bars to do But i really dont feel r3 pays off atm? I nearly cap my evil ngu's (well energy, magic is still pretty fast). Blood magic is capped too. Ive moved over to XL as well Ive got 418mill xp to spend (i think i get 100mill+ a day) Do i want to do R3? push E and M cap and power? What will i need for exile? A heap of adventure stats
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Note that if you are easily getting multiple thousand of exp points after a night of grinding, consider spending it on attack and defense boost in the exp menu if you haven't already. Getting that first 1k% boost will improve your stats considerably at a relatively low price and will help you grind out the challenges.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Honestly I did like a ~4 day rebirth where I was solidly in the "being able to idle him" camp before rebirthing. Having that time where you can just accumulate his items+xp on a regular schedule is gonna help a ton with jumpstarting towards idling. I've ended up going on the other direction. After getting my NGU adventure up to 10000, it's been a hell of a lot quicker to layer the advanced training on top of that to get my stats up to begin fighting him. Once I do that with all the other NGUs I think I'll be in a pretty good place to whittle down the no rebirth challenge. The 2.5 hour respawn is one of the biggest blocks at the minute and I need to get that down really. My core issues with idling are that it chews through my laptop battery when active, so I'm not too keen on going out to work for a day and leaving something like that running on it. It's kinda one of my biggest gripes with the game. Is it to do with some technical configuration or a deliberate means to make sure people have the game open more often?
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OJ MIST 2 THE DICK posted:first get all the newbie packs Cool, thanks for the advice.  Filling up the BDW set takes so long!
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Kin posted:I've ended up going on the other direction. After getting my NGU adventure up to 10000, it's been a hell of a lot quicker to layer the advanced training on top of that to get my stats up to begin fighting him. What's your infinity cube at? That's one of the bigger disadvantages of not being able to idle, afaik at this point in the game.
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It's currently only at about 3000. I've got the items from the AP shop to let me auto filter boosts into it now so it's starting to go up a bit faster. Though I've been farming special boosts in the strange lands for the cane of destiny to get more energy/magic so there's not been much going onto the cube for a little while now. Should I be pouring it all into there instead?
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Kin posted:It's currently only at about 3000. Definitely don't prioritize cube over anything else - boosts to the cube are always less meaningful than to equipment. Let the cube boosting only happen when you don't have anything else to do with the boosts. The only real 'problem' you're probably having is not having the game open enough, and there's not a lot you can do to change that. The only other thing that could really be hurting you iirc is if your inventory isn't big enough to hold all your boosts before autoboost activates. I have a similar problem in that I keep my computer off more often than a lot of end game players so my cube is pretty far from the soft cap too, just know you'll be progressing a bit slower than others. Edit: Oh right, if you're ignoring boost perks/quirks those would also be a problem. They've much more useful than they seem at first glance. Manyorcas fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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I dont grind. my xp comes from fruit I only have it running a few hours at night when im home.
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Manyorcas posted:Definitely don't prioritize cube over anything else - boosts to the cube are always less meaningful than to equipment. Let the cube boosting only happen when you don't have anything else to do with the boosts. Cool, thanks for the steer. I've got all the boosts I currently come across up to a level of 100 if that's what you mean? They boost items pretty quickly though I noticed there's a few things like the cane of destiny and the hearts that are massive boost sinks with every level.
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There are ITOPOD Perks (and also similar buyables in later features...) that increase how much you get out of each boost. They're well worth the investment.
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Does anyone have any tips for mid-game (I think?) Antimatter Dimensions on mobile? I broke infinity and my next goal is getting to e1100 antimatter. However, progress is excruciatingly slow with only ~80k IPmin during active runs, and all the upgrades cost 1e9 at least. And my offline progress is only 8k IP/min.
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Merijn posted:Does anyone have any tips for mid-game (I think?) Antimatter Dimensions on mobile? I broke infinity and my next goal is getting to e1100 antimatter. However, progress is excruciatingly slow with only ~80k IPmin during active runs, and all the upgrades cost 1e9 at least. And my offline progress is only 8k IP/min. This is what I like about Idle Games, if you’re not playing then - you’ve got no idea what the poster is talking about. It’s all just gobbledygook.
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Merijn posted:Does anyone have any tips for mid-game (I think?) Antimatter Dimensions on mobile? I broke infinity and my next goal is getting to e1100 antimatter. However, progress is excruciatingly slow with only ~80k IPmin during active runs, and all the upgrades cost 1e9 at least. And my offline progress is only 8k IP/min. I recently just replayed it over break, and https://www.reddit.com/r/AntimatterDimensions/comments/73jhqe/patashus_antimatter_dimensions_guide/ is still pretty accurate, with a few changes since offline play is a little more viable now, and the ad bonus really takes the sting out of some of the doldrums of the original game. It's a bit of a slowdown part, but you can potentially chase some achivements for either passive % boosts, or specific boosts from them, work on lowering your infinity time, and some other things as well.
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Jabor posted:There are ITOPOD Perks (and also similar buyables in later features...) that increase how much you get out of each boost. They're well worth the investment. Ah, good to know. At the minute I'm saving up and putting all my PP into seed related perks. I'm almost at the point of either getting the crappy perk or the first harvest perk. Poop is probably the better of the two perks there yeah seeing as it's a 50% increase?
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Merijn posted:Does anyone have any tips for mid-game (I think?) Antimatter Dimensions on mobile? I broke infinity and my next goal is getting to e1100 antimatter. However, progress is excruciatingly slow with only ~80k IPmin during active runs, and all the upgrades cost 1e9 at least. And my offline progress is only 8k IP/min. You just made it to the 2nd layer or something? I think there were a good 5 or 6 layers of prestige when I played. Anyway look at the bonuses you probably have it auto prestigue really fast, turn it off and do some long runs like an overnight. You get bonuses some of them are really large for various things. There should be a tooltip that tells you what you are getting for each bonus and how to increase them. I'm pretty sure you spend the prestige points to unlock the bonuses too so maybe you just haven't taken the really good ones yet? I remember only 1 or 2 really mattered to start things going but didn't do much later and a few that weren't good until later and took off like crazy.
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I can finally idle boring-rear end-earth, but my drop chance is slow low I'm not getting anything out of it. 
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