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CherryCola posted:What is even the point of this tweet? Why am I asking a question that has no rational answer? No more negotiation with Iran. Only war.
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CherryCola posted:What is even the point of this tweet? Why am I asking a question that has no rational answer? Because, in very technical neurological terms, Donald Trump's brain is composed of rotting Froot LoopsŪ.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Because, in very technical neurological terms, Donald Trump's brain is composed of rotting Froot LoopsŪ. Rotting fruit loops are probably more biologically active.
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Clearly any single person in this thread has put more thought into the consequences of his actions than Trump will ever do.
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the panacea posted:It seems to be a common misconception to think "they can't win, so what are they going to do?". Iran isn't as reckless as their rhetoric suggests though. Their leaders have behaved rationally for decades, and while they may end up feeling so cornered that they decide to take a shot before they lose the opportunity, I don't think we're quite there yet.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:04
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How is Iraqi media responding to this? Sunni and Shia both condemning, or is this the dividing line between opinions?
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Jan 3, 2020 15:09
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Does Shia Islam also have a 40-day mourning period, like Sunni Islam does? If so, that's one timeframe to look at in terms of serious responses.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:11
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Grouchio posted:Trump did all of this in an attempt to distract PR away from impeachment. Do you folks think this will subtract from (distracting proxy war) or add to impeachment proceedings? (wanton aggression) I don't think I'll live to see the day that the American public doesn't masturbate itself into a coma over wanton aggression by the US government. If anything, a shadowy proxy war might not be wantonly aggressive enough to distract from impeachment.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:11
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Iraq's government is not happy in the slightest. https://twitter.com/abujamajem/status/1213010727629254663?s=21
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Jan 3, 2020 15:12
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Sinteres posted:Iran isn't as reckless as their rhetoric suggests though. Their leaders have behaved rationally for decades, and while they may end up feeling so cornered that they decide to take a shot before they lose the opportunity, I don't think we're quite there yet. relatedly, ahmadinejad getting bodily hurled out of Iranian politics (and into his new profession as twitter troll) was and is a positive sign for iran's leadership not being entirely in crazytown ahmadinejad was all about courting the iranian far right nutters but that wasn't enough to save him when his nonsense became inconvenient to the big boys
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Jan 3, 2020 15:16
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One day the people believing in America's invulnerability will be proven wrong and it's going to start off somewhat like this vv People actually believe the missile defense platforms are bulletproof Orange DeviI fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jan 3, 2020 |
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please knock Mom! posted:One day the people believing in America's invulnerability will be proven wrong and it's going to start off somewhat like this Wasn't 9/11 already a clear indication of this?
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Jan 3, 2020 15:25
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https://twitter.com/nyt_diff/status/1212528830218407936 for some reason this account has become restricted and its tweets hidden.
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Jan 3, 2020 15:33
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Going to be fun when Iraq tells us to leave and we tell them to gently caress off
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Jan 3, 2020 15:38
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Jan 3, 2020 15:39
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mortons stork posted:Did any proof ever surface of it being Russia or are we just taking this face value? I do remember an article in our media talking about how the Polish president had this weird thing going where he would get up during a flight, walk into the cockpit and start screaming at his pilots, which probably was the reason the plane crashed. Apparently it was a miracle he hadn't died horribly in a plane accident until then.
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My guts all in a knot this morning analyzing and fearing getting ourselves stuck occupying Iran for a decade or two. A true vietnam redux. How to unwind?
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Nenonen posted:Do they need to do something specific? Other than take better care of their paramilitary leaders, that is. The most effective strategy against Americans would be to continue what they were already doing. The smartest play for the Iranians would be to do nothing for a little while (as in a few days to a week) to ensure that they're seen as the less-volatile and restrained party and then quietly start turning the pressure up on the wide array of american and american-aligned interests that conveniently are right by their proxy forces. FlamingLiberal posted:Going to be fun when Iraq tells us to leave and we tell them to gently caress off This is the part I really don't get. They already had almost entirely done that, now they will most likely fully and explicitly do it. Moreover, they can limit the american diplomatic presence and/or just fully withdraw security for the us embassy, at which point maintaining bases and a massive embassy compound in an effectively not-friendly if not actively hostile country is entirely impossible. Losing all that would be a huge and extremely public black eye for trump.
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I know this might seem a bit out-there, but bear with me here: what if Trump is not a rational actor?
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Grouchio posted:My guts all in a knot this morning analyzing and fearing getting ourselves stuck occupying Iran for a decade or two. A true vietnam redux. stop reading stupid fearmongering and do something useful
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Jan 3, 2020 17:11
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Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. If the Iranian regime directly or through its proxies target American civilians they will be exposed as the terrorists they are. If they target army personnel that still doesn't cut it and another high ranked of theirs will be targeted. Only a symmetric hit against a US high ranking officer can really show strength. Good luck with that. To the bunch of people that are worried about an escalation. Worry not, you deal with some thirld world bullying flintstones, they really understand power. The goal is to sit them on a negotiation table and that will happen ultimately. Lot of respect to all Iranians that have suffered all these years under the bullies. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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fafish posted:Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. source your stupid quotes plz
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Jan 3, 2020 17:32
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fafish posted:Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. remember the last time we trotted out this line, back in 2003 we were all so young then
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Jan 3, 2020 17:33
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Does the NYT operate that account? Regardless, don't look into the changes too much. For live stories like this, it's not unusual for the more recent information to be edited into the top of an article, particularly as new information comes out. You'd see similar edits for a natural disaster as the effects become more clear. The info in red is likely just pushed down a few paragraphs.
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fafish posted:Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. Woah, dial your trolling back down to eleven buddy, you're kind of coming on too strong
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fafish posted:Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. Imagine making only 9 posts over 8 years and this is one of them.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:41
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Nenonen posted:Rafic Hariri? Not that Soleimani compares to a former PM, he would be more like if the chief of Mossad went to Lebanon and Syrians snuffed him.
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Jan 3, 2020 17:41
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Sidenote: It's very likely that Soleimani was responsible for the bombing that killed Hariri. That's a stretch and a half.
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Count Roland posted:Can anyone list previous examples of a state assassinating a high ranking member of another state outside of wartime? I can't think of any. The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria by Serbian Military Intelligence in 1914. I believe this also caused some commotion.
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Grouchio posted:My guts all in a knot this morning analyzing and fearing getting ourselves stuck occupying Iran for a decade or two. A true vietnam redux. An actual shooting war with Iran more likely means another invasion and occupation of Iraq. If you want to keep going with the Vietnam analogy Iran would then be the North to Iraq's South.
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An invasion of Iran could mean fighting proxies with Hezbollah in Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. It would probably also require defending the KSA and UAE from attacks on oil refineries and desalination plants, as well as attacks on shipping in the Gulf. An Iran war would be a multi-country war. I wouldn't be surprised if the draft was reinstated to shore up US forces spread thin across the ME.
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Rukeli posted:The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria by Serbian Military Intelligence in 1914. I believe this also caused some commotion. imagine if franz ferdinand had been assassinated by a uniformed french military detatchment during on a diplomatic mission to serbia. the french soldiers then proceeded to shell the serbian ambulance when it shows up. that's the level of international incident we're on now.
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https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1213141648475119621 *Punches someone at random in the grocery store* "For real though, I just want everyone to calm down."
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Jasus Christ posted:https://twitter.com/SecPompeo/status/1213141648475119621 Everyone know that to break a few eggs you gotta break a few eggs.
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FizFashizzle posted:Russia did a number to the Polish government in 2010. lol, that plane crashed because idiot Duckman yelled at the pilot to land under impossible conditions
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GoluboiOgon posted:imagine if franz ferdinand had been assassinated by a uniformed french military detatchment during on a diplomatic mission to serbia. the french soldiers then proceeded to shell the serbian ambulance when it shows up. that's the level of international incident we're on now. Franz Ferdinand assassination really isn't the most applicable I think and its quite overblown as the single explanation for WW1, especially out of context. What it was is that it gave the hardliners in Austria-Hungary who'd been hurting for a war with Serbia for years the excuse they needed and the Germans, rather than try to stop them or even find out what they were planning to do, just told them "sure, whatever, Germany supports you."
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Randarkman posted:Franz Ferdinand assassination really isn't the most applicable I think and its quite overblown as the single explanation for WW1, especially out of context. What it was is that it gave the hardliners in Austria-Hungary who'd been hurting for a war with Serbia for years the excuse they needed and the Germans, rather than try to stop them or even find out what they were planning to do, just told them "sure, whatever, Germany supports you." I think you're conflating trigger with cause.
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steinrokkan posted:lol, that plane crashed because idiot Duckman yelled at the pilot to land under impossible conditions We'll never know that since Russia, to this day, refuses to give up the Black Boxes, making it incredibly likely they do have something to hide over it.
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Randarkman posted:Franz Ferdinand assassination really isn't the most applicable I think and its quite overblown as the single explanation for WW1, especially out of context. What it was is that it gave the hardliners in Austria-Hungary who'd been hurting for a war with Serbia for years the excuse they needed and the Germans, rather than try to stop them or even find out what they were planning to do, just told them "sure, whatever, Germany supports you." Funny enough pre ww1 intellectuals believed that the world was too globalized to have a shooting war.
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fafish posted:Excellent work by the army and their intelligence (be it CIA or in-house), and excellent work by the generals that pitched the president into this. Bad guys got a kick in the groin that is deeply registered. A lot of positive and encouraging feedback from Iranian and Iraqi citizens. Imagine believing all this is true.
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