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bulletsponge13 posted:It wouldn't take a shitload of Marines. We literally have dudes who make their living snatching people from cars and getting the gently caress out of dodge. We have soldiers stationed at the airport, along side Iraqi army and others. Who's to say that JSOC staging a snatch and grab wouldn't immediately start a firefight because Iraqi army guys have no idea who is taking the Quds Commander. Because we sure as gently caress couldn't give the Iraqis any advance warning. It could turn into a bloodbath. Also, what are the benefits of having him alive? There are none. Trying to use him as a bargaining chip would be tricky, and I wouldn't trust even a competent administration to do that. The legal clusterfuck that would ensue by having taken him prisoner would be worse than the one we're dealing with now. We didn't even want UBL alive for that reason (and because we wouldn't want him to have a chance to speak/preach during a trial). And I'd imagine that the shitshow of a trial (if there was one) would require a ton of classified info being released. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Jan 4, 2020 |
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This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1213242734036889600?s=19
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bird food bathtub posted:Looks like the post-hoc justification talking points are out. Everyone in the right wing propaganda machine is vomiting the phrase "imminent attack", so someone sent that out in an email somewhere. That was Pompeo. Otherwise it's illegal.
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facialimpediment posted:This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. Oh hey that's not suggestively facist.
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Jan 4, 2020 00:48
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facialimpediment posted:This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. This has nothing to do with Nazis. It's the dumb thing they do during a "spiritual" moment. It's like adjusting the antenna to better receive God or some dumb poo poo. Not to say you implied this. But a lot of people in those comments were.
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GoGoGadget posted:This has nothing to do with Nazis. It's the dumb thing they do during a "spiritual" moment. It's like adjusting the antenna to better receive God or some dumb poo poo. And you believe them?
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Jan 4, 2020 00:55
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Far be it from me to stick up for Christians, but this is a pretty longstanding "spirit of the little white baby jesus come into my heart" thing.
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Jan 4, 2020 00:57
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facialimpediment posted:This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. Look you've got world war iii about to kick off, this is barely a blip on the radar
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Jan 4, 2020 00:59
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GoGoGadget posted:This has nothing to do with Nazis. It's the dumb thing they do during a "spiritual" moment. It's like adjusting the antenna to better receive God or some dumb poo poo. yeah this.
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facialimpediment posted:This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. Please tell me they're just doing that stupid "raise both arms" thing that Protestants do. Please tell me that's what they're doing and the photo is just at a weird angle. Please tell me they have both arms up, and not just one, and not just their right ones. 
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Schadenboner posted:Please tell me they're just doing that stupid "raise both arms" thing that Protestants do. Please tell me that's what they're doing and the photo is just at a weird angle. Please tell me they have both arms up, and not just one, and not just their right ones. They do. Look at the white sweatshirt guy in the foreground. This is nothing, and disengenious of Maggie to suggest otherwise.
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BigDave posted:Oh hey that's not suggestively facist. Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven.
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Terrifying Effigies posted:Lift your skinny fists like antennas to heaven. https://youtu.be/PZwQeZh6rP0
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Bored As gently caress posted:We have soldiers stationed at the airport, along side Iraqi army and others. Who's to say that JSOC staging a snatch and grab wouldn't immediately start a firefight because Iraqi army guys have no idea who is taking the Quds Commander. Because we sure as gently caress couldn't give the Iraqis any advance warning. It could turn into a bloodbath. I disagree on the no benefit. I think it would cause more damage to Iran to have him alive. They were prepared for the eventuality of his demise- I'm sure they considered this at some point. I wasn't even thinking for a trial- just literally loving kidnap him. We are already breaking the law, it's not like you are breaking it any more or less. We don't give a gently caress about international law- if we did, we wouldn't have done this. I'm a dumb grunt, but it seems to me if you are going to fight, fight to win. If you are going to destabilize their government, loving destabilize it. The sheer chaos if we took him would achieve more than killing him would. Again, maybe I'm just not smart enough to get strategy like the adults do. As for the risk, killing him didn't lessen the risk an insider attack. Again, maybe I just have bad optics on this, because it's broke my loving brain.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I disagree on the no benefit. I think it would cause more damage to Iran to have him alive. They were prepared for the eventuality of his demise- I'm sure they considered this at some point. I wasn't even thinking for a trial- just literally loving kidnap him. We are already breaking the law, it's not like you are breaking it any more or less. We don't give a gently caress about international law- if we did, we wouldn't have done this. I'm a dumb grunt, but it seems to me if you are going to fight, fight to win. If you are going to destabilize their government, loving destabilize it. The sheer chaos if we took him would achieve more than killing him would. Again, maybe I'm just not smart enough to get strategy like the adults do. No lies detected
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facialimpediment posted:This picture is like when Roddy Piper takes off the glasses. We had to do this stupid poo poo at my cousin’s wedding like 15 years ago.
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Just gonna say that it's like... way easier and less risky to shoot a missile or drop a bomb than coordinate a streetside abduction of a VIP under armed escort in a city potentially hostile to your ground forces.
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mlmp08 posted:Just gonna say that it's like... way easier and less risky to shoot a missile or drop a bomb than coordinate a streetside abduction of a VIP under armed escort in a city potentially hostile to your ground forces. There is also this, yes
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colachute posted:We had to do this stupid poo poo at my cousin’s wedding like 15 years ago. BigDave posted:Oh hey that's not suggestively facist. Edit Had to do it at my cousins wedding as well. And her funeral a few months ago. It's just a christian thing, not a fascist thing. This was even one of those peace and love surfing churches.
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Chichevache posted:Edit My cousin’s wife’s family were some of the most uptight and holier than thou people I’ve ever seen in such a huge group like that. They would’ve looked down on you if you were on Everest.
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mlmp08 posted:Just gonna say that it's like... way easier and less risky to shoot a missile or drop a bomb than coordinate a streetside abduction of a VIP under armed escort in a city potentially hostile to your ground forces. I'm aware, but it's not something that they haven't done a bunch before. I just think that if there was a long term "Defeat Iran" victory strategy, it would be worth the risk. I just don't get what we hoped to achieve from killing him more than escalation. E- I'm not meaning to sound dismissive, or arguementative- I just don't understand what the gently caress we are doing besides Persia Expansion pack.
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One side of my family is evangelical, I went to a church service with them once and it creeped me the gently caress out. They were doing the hold your hands in the air while singing about Jesus and like half the people there were crying while doing it. One of the most disturbing things I've ever experienced. I've been an atheist my whole life so I just don't get religion in general, I don't see what good it's for.
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Mustang posted:One side of my family is are evangelicals, I went to a church service with them once and it creeped me the gently caress out. It's even more fun when your mom starts speaking in tongues.
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That Works posted:It's even more fun when your mom starts speaking in tongues.
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bulletsponge13 posted:I'm aware, but it's not something that they haven't done a bunch before. I just think that if there was a long term "Defeat Iran" victory strategy, it would be worth the risk. I just don't get what we hoped to achieve from killing him more than escalation. You seem to be operating under the assumption that the commander in chief does understand what the gently caress we are doing. I would recommend not entertaining that notion. There is no strategy. Someone put words in front of him and the decaying neuron soup of his dementia riddled brain said "yes". You have already thought more about the consequences of this than his rotten think-meat did.
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bird food bathtub posted:You seem to be operating under the assumption that the commander in chief does understand what the gently caress we are doing. I would recommend not entertaining that notion. There is no strategy. Someone put words in front of him and the decaying neuron soup of his dementia riddled brain said "yes". You have already thought more about the consequences of this than his rotten think-meat did. To be fair he said humor him but he’s also asking about a scenario that is so far outside the realm of possibility that I don’t even know what it would look like (the scenario being competent leadership)
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Guys. Is this the "Crack. Ping!" You guys talk about? Because this is loving weird. This is the first time I've ever looked at the world around me and just been so utterly god drat angry and confused. People are buying into W's playbook again. People are Ok with this gently caress- who said he'd end the wars- expanding it because Iran finally had enough of our poo poo? Does everything happen in a loving vacuum now? Like WHAT. THE. gently caress. OVER.
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Proud Christian Mom posted:Anything Christian to the right of Presbyterians is batshit insane hth I posted that picture because the imagery is hilarious with the angle, but it's also a good reminder that evangelicals are a political group, not a religious group. They just kinda don't realize it. bulletsponge13 posted:People are buying into W's playbook again. I'm actually not genuinely sure about everything here. It's very clear that they're *running* the W playbook, but I'm not really sure if anyone is buying. Like we know Donnie's sycophants are gobbling it up, we know the cable newsers and pundits are repeating it with minimal-to-medium pushback, but the public buying it is *very* unclear right now. The polling has been drastically in favor of *no* war with Iran and I don't think that's changed. Wouldn't matter though, the administration's probable viewpoint is if Iran starts overtly killing troops and American civis, public perception will change. I kinda doubt that though, people are sick of Donnie's poo poo and sick of Middle East poo poo.
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bulletsponge13 posted:Guys. Yep, it's literally that. e: You aren't mad, it is literally almost everyone else.
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Yeah, we don't have more than half the country buying it this time around. Of course thanks to gerrymandering we're all at the mercy of rural dumbfucks whose understanding of the world is based on half remembered Michael Bay movies.
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Much like brexit, if people don't actually vote these dumb shits out nothing will change. I for one cannot wait for the upcoming conservative supermajority senate + house + presidency after the 2020 elections.
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Casimir Radon posted:Of course thanks to gerrymandering we're all at the mercy of rural dumbfucks whose understanding of the world is based on half remembered Michael Bay movies. This is most of the developed world and we haven't got a making GBS threads clue what to do about it. Maybe it's just inevitable when we go from farm to city rapidly.
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I'm just so loving angry about this. People who should loving know better are supporting this. These dumb fucks don't know the cost of loving war. Maybe I'm taking it a little more to heart than I should. But, I've got loving kids. Neither were loving alive when I invaded Iraq. I miss when the world made sense to me. I'm going to have a drink and watch My Name is Earl.
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