Haifisch posted:

These past few pages wouldn't have turned into a Thing if there wasn't suddenly a flood of people trying to squash any discussion of the ongoing concerns here. Shockingly, people get angrier and more 'dramatic' when they feel like their legitimate issues aren't being listened to or allowed to be communicated to others.

Sharkopath posted:

They posted a ton in adtrw too, and had a habit of continuing fruitless lines of dialogue they probably shouldn't have in my experience. Them starting a conversation and then refusing to leave when it turns against them is more par for the course and although as I've said I don't know them enough to vouch my own safety it doesn't seem likely they were an alt of some kiwifarms or fyad poster because they weren't really funny or cruel, just earnest.

Queen Combat posted:

<thread about sagas>

<current saga about cuntellectual bein' a poo poo pops up, concerns raised because QCS still closed>

<SUDDENLY A DOZEN FYAD POSTERS, posting more in an hour than the last two days, most never in this thread before, miraculously covering up any real concern>

<try to bring up current saga/concern again by mostly trans posters>

<FYAD posters going "nuh uh NEOPETS">


That's the issue. Clear?

Haifisch posted:

These past few pages wouldn't have turned into a Thing if there wasn't suddenly a flood of people trying to squash any discussion of the ongoing concerns here. Shockingly, people get angrier and more 'dramatic' when they feel like their legitimate issues aren't being listened to or allowed to be communicated to others.

woozy pawsies posted:

A flood of fyad posters???????? there are 3 people who post in fyad posting. Three.

Spanish Manlove posted:

it was a legitimate issue but presented in such a loving dorky, insane way that more people than me wanted to make fun of it. People with your same ideological values can disagree with you on things, it happens.

Queen Combat posted:

<thread about sagas>

<current saga about cuntellectual bein' a poo poo pops up, concerns raised because QCS still closed>

<SUDDENLY A DOZEN FYAD POSTERS, posting more in an hour than the last two days, most never in this thread before, miraculously covering up any real concern>

<try to bring up current saga/concern again by mostly trans posters>

<FYAD posters going "nuh uh NEOPETS">


That's the issue. Clear?

razorrozar posted:

you realize you're not fooling anyone, right?

bloom posted:

A really hosed up Pick alt who doesn't appreciate the greatest homoerotic cooking show ever made

razorrozar posted:

you realize you're not fooling anyone, right?

woozy pawsies posted:

what about when they lied about certain posters being from fyad??? then followed it up with a "Nonetheless,!"

Queen Combat posted:

It's all about timing. You're still kinda not getting it? Here's it, again.

Spanish Manlove posted:

it was a legitimate issue but presented in such a loving dorky, insane way that more people than me wanted to make fun of it. People with your same ideological values can disagree with you on things, it happens.

Ruffini posted:

Everyone who is transphobic was banned hth

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Strange, because it seems like they're still posting in this thread?

Ruffini posted:

Everyone who is transphobic was banned hth

razorrozar posted:

you realize you're not fooling anyone, right?

Slanderer posted:

i'm here to say that i would never--never--use the f-word.

instead, i use alternatives that empower the womanly aspect, such as "herselves", or "shemales"


thank's

scary ghost dog posted:

If you seriously think this thread would naturally devolve into a fevered discussion of neopets of all things without prodding from FYAD rabble-rousers, you need to seriously examine your critical thinking capabilities.

Ruffini posted:

oh poo poo point them out so we can ban them thanks in advance.

littleorv posted:

Personally all I think you would need to do is show that they posted in FYAD regularly

Queen Combat posted:

They are not the same people, the post is about two separate issues as far as I see. Arf is bein' a poo poo, but also cuntellectual is a clear alt for somebody (there have been many PM and discord messages between myself and CE, this much is clear)

quote:

Calling posters unfunny in a discussion where no one is trying to be funny -- because there's some grievance being discussed. Using that as justification for why the discussion not legitimate as an SA thread (i.e. not funny enough for SA). Justification for why the "funny" posters need to intervene and attend to the rest of the discussion. The supposed "pro-comedy" stance of FYAD is just this thinly disguised common bullying trick.

After invading a space, injecting constant whataboutism to shut down further serious conversation.

Online griefing. Scanning the entire forum for bullying opportunities and openly discussing it (see FYAD's "gbs superstar" megathread). Calling for the shutdown of entire massive discussion spaces (TGRS / CSPAM / all of SA) and safe havens for marginalized people / political types in order to score a win.

Shutting down any conversation where the vulnerable are standing up for themselves by labeling it "politics". Claiming to want a "politics free" space. This is straight out of the alt right playbook for taking over a social media space. Once a space has become "depoliticized", running off the vulnerable members, and steering everyone else toward punching down where they once punched up. Convincing Lowtax to segregate most chat about oppression into a special subforum unabashedly called "triggers" (TGRS).

Astroturfing. When FYAD regulars see FYAD or forums conflict being discussed, they attempt to blend in and pass their opinions off as coming from a neutral / disinterested party, instead of from themselves. Hit and run opinion posts without any disclosure of vested interest. This trick worked better back when hardly anyone knew which usernames were associated with FYAD. Frequently has included an invasion, as more FYAD regulars rapidly agree with the opinion and create the illusion of thread consensus. In QCS it was frequently followed by dogpiling anyone who accuses them of astroturfing, smearing them as paranoid and unfunny to redirect the accusation, still with no disclosure that they are the very FYAD regulars being discussed.

Discouraging everyone from monitoring the situation by claiming that their subforum only contains obscure humor that you wouldn't "get". When anyone finally overcomes that and opens FYAD, it turns out it's not incomprehensible because of the humor -- it's incomprehensible because it's full of juvenile bullying, complex drama, and threads about scanning the forum for bullying opportunities. Sociopathic behavior *is* incomprehensible to normal people.

Whenever there's trouble, bypassing the whole community and going straight to dad. As we saw the other day, filling up Lowtax's paid chat stream and facebook feed, now that he mainly spends his time there, and admits he feels "unsafe" posting on his own forum where he faces criticism. In this case it's more than just FYAD contributing since social media at large is crawling with alt-right. But the goal is shared.

Attacking the representative-based moderation system itself. FYAD regulars immediately dogpile mods whenever one is scandalized. At times they have coordinated and timed this behavior in the "GBS superstar" thread, which is FULL of egregious mod sass over the years. Immediately announcing a consensus that the mod should resign / be fired, independent of what the rest of the forum thinks. FAU and others got discouraged and stepped down during this treatment during threads that were overrun by FYAD regulars.

Encouraging the overall number of mods on the site to be reduced, and using whataboutism to delay new people from being modded.

Grooming tons of individual forums figures with promises of inner-circle acceptance if they join in on the fun, where "fun" is really a stand in for abuse. Groomed individuals, who are not bullies themselves, tend to develop a bit of stockholm syndrome. Even mod/admins cowed to the fear of disapproval, labels of being "unfunny", or the crowd turning against oneself -- thus FYAD ended up with special status and immunity from the rules that you see enforced elsewhere.

The aforementioned "I'm not touching you" trick to instigate others to punch back and get punished while they enjoy relative immunity.

Queen Combat posted:

Not well enough I guess

Queen Combat posted:

Also did I mention gently caress off? Or just continue trolling. Whatever.

littleorv posted:

Personally all I think you would need to do is show that they posted in FYAD regularly

Ruffini posted:

im confused, post from 2017, and banned in 2019?

Ruffini posted:

Everyone who is transphobic was banned hth

Queen Combat posted:

And still here. In this thread. But go off.

Ruffini posted:

Sorry you don't understand what banned means on SA

umalt posted:

Ruffini posted:

im confused, post from 2017, and banned in 2019?

sweet geek swag posted:

Cuntellectual has 23000 posts. That is way, way, too many for some secret FYAD alt. The probations in FYAD were for failing to win the IK contest. Specifically, the IK contest that declared itself open to GBS refugees, because GBS had just been closed and sent to the GBS graveyard. Every poster in that thread who posted a number got probated. Simply put, they weren't probated for being an alt account breaking kayfabe.

I found this all out in 10 minutes. I don't know why Dumb Lowtax did it, but their analysis missed some incredibly obvious stuff.

Sestze posted:

alt accounts exist, and even if you post someone that was clearly someone that posted in FYAD, like spb (he's literally #2 on the FYAD leaderboard despite being banned at this time), they're immediately disowned and considered someone terrible that shouldn't have been posting there anyways

the top three posters in FYAD, from one of your own threads, was two variants of general anime (permabanned for saying transphobic poo poo in the wake of FYAD's closure) and spb (banned for saying transphobic poo poo and trying to stir up drama in the fyad refugee thread)

those are people who regularly posted to a degree where the next most prolific poster was like, half of spb's posts. no attempts to self-correct with any of those people before or after old fyad's closure.

Sestze posted:

he was banned for concern trolling in this very thread regarding this issue, I simply looked at his rap sheet and, oh look, transphobia right there, guess he might have a reason for wanting that sort of behavior to be normalized.