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Tonfa posted:Hold the gently caress up Mochi is GHC tag champ? It's been quite the start to the year for Dragon Gate guys despite them not running a streamed show yet: Susumu is AJPW Jr Heavyweight champ & now Mochi is GHC Tag Champ with Marufuji. Pretty wild but cool.
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Will the AJPW.TV service ever have the archive stuff from way back when? Having it all missing is the main reason I only hold a sub for the carnival.
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Akileese posted:Will the AJPW.TV service ever have the archive stuff from way back when? Having it all missing is the main reason I only hold a sub for the carnival. Is this an issue with a TV company holding the rights to that footage?
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Akileese posted:Will the AJPW.TV service ever have the archive stuff from way back when? Having it all missing is the main reason I only hold a sub for the carnival. Never say never but the footage is owned by whatever channel they had pre NOAH split (NTV) and they went with Misawa and friends, before dumping NOAH later that decade. So it seems hugely unlikely but there are places on the Internet with masses of All Japan footage from pre split. YouTube, other filesharing methods.
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Awww hell yeah, All Japan giving me what I want with that Nomura Yoshida singles match. And on a show that's on their service too, from KBS Hall. https://twitter.com/b3rt4/status/1213328155639001090?s=20
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El Gallinero Gros posted:YESSSSSSSS El Hijo de Dr Wagner Jr
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forkboy84 posted:Never say never but the footage is owned by whatever channel they had pre NOAH split (NTV) and they went with Misawa and friends, before dumping NOAH later that decade. So it seems hugely unlikely but there are places on the Internet with masses of All Japan footage from pre split. YouTube, other filesharing methods. That's what I figured was the case. Like I said, if it ever gets to the point where AJPW.TV has all that stuff, I'll immediately sub year round.
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A very real fear I have is that WWE makes a huge bid for that footage and NTV is dumb enough to sell (which would be unlikely for a lot reasons but it's a fear)
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Some interesting stats here, I laughed at Sakura Hirota having the most singles matches and the most time spent in singles matches. https://www.pwanalysis.com/entry/2020/01/04/120000 Would never have guessed that 102 people wrestled for NJPW last year
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According to cubsfan 2019 Rookie Ranking Tournament winner Shun Skywalker is off to Mexico for the first half of the year. He will be missed on Dragon Gate shows  https://twitter.com/luchablog/status/1214255986678157314?s=20
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Some interesting stats here, I laughed at Sakura Hirota having the most singles matches and the most time spent in singles matches. God, of course the entire top 10 most matches is Dragon Gate dudes. Also like that the only 2 non-DG guys in the "Most Wins" category are both LIJ dudes, and find it super interesting that 4 of the top 6 dudes for "Longest Average match length" are from NOAH (Kiyomiya, Shiozaki, Nakajima, Marufuji). Also, 9 hours of Will Ospreay singles matches. And I'm assuming I saw every minute of them.
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Quiet Storm is leaving NOAH on January 30th. retiring or going freelance?
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I know I've seen him wrestler multiple times in 2019 but I'm blanking out now: does he still yell STORM! CRADLE! DRIVER! before doing the Storm Cradle Driver? Or has he tragically left that goofiness back in 2002 ROH with former tag partner Chris Divine?
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NOAH's Global Junior League starts on Friday and here are your lineups https://twitter.com/noah_ghc/status/1214166474186723329?s=20 Group A HAYATA (RATEL'S) Yoshinari Ogawa (Stinger) NOSAWA Rongai (Sugiura Army) Junta Miyawaki Group B Kotaro Suzuki (Stinger) Tadasuke (RATEL'S) Haō (Kongo) Dick Togo (Sugiura Army) Group C Atsushi Kotoge (Stinger) YO-HEY (RATEL'S) Hajime Ohura (Sugiura Army) Hitoshi Kumano Group D Daisuke Harada (RATEL'S) Chris Ridgeway (Stinger) Minoru Tanaka Niō (Kongo) (Niō is Hi69, Haō is Yuki Sato) They've not done very many of these: Yoshinobu Kanemaru won in 2009, Daisuke Harada won in 2015, Kotaro Suzuki won in 2018 & HAYATA is the defending champ. Ogawa might be getting replaced but that's not very clear at the moment. Anyway, first show is 10th, with the rest on the 11th, 12th, 19th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 25th & the semi-finals & final will be on the show on the 30th from Korakuen Hall. As of now we've no idea what shows will be broadcast. You'd assume the finals at the very least.
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Not exactly surprising considering their scheduling decisions but here you have it https://twitter.com/Hi5ame/status/1215029786525020167?s=19
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gently caress yeah @ both posts above Kinda want Junta to win the whole Junior League, but I'll be happy if he goes 0-3 and wrestles his heart out anyway Junta Miyawaki's a super junior to watch, anyway
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https://www.pwanalysis.com/entry/2020/01/03/120000 Some interesting numbers for the business in Japan in 2019. 2019 was pretty sluggish across the board (with one exception). The combined attendance was more or less the same as last year but from more shows so a decrease in average crowds. All major promotions had a fall in overall attendance. Dragon gate went from 124k (10 percent of the market) to 110k (9 percent of the market in 2019), AJPW went from 87k (7 percent of the market) to 81k (7 percent of the market), DDT from 71k to 70k (maintaining a market share of 6 percent) and NOAH went from 59k to 55k (from 5 to 4 percent) The exception is New Japan who grew their attendance in 2019 from 395k to 417k and increased their share of the market from 34 percent to 36 percent. Since 2012 (take this with a huge grain of salt due to the history of bullshit gates in Japan until very recently) New Japans market share has gone from 24 percent of attendance to 36 percent. With this year maybe closing off Tokyo for a period of time with the Olympics and NJPW pulling 75k across 3 days to start the year, its probably likely they increase its percentage of the live attendance market. in what will probably be another sluggish year for wrestling in Japan. I think its probably fair to say dragon gate are the number 2 promotion in Japan. Burn Down Canberra fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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I love New Japan a lot but man is it sad seeing business falling for everyone else. NOAH, AJPW, Dragon Gate, they all had absolutely killer poo poo in 2019. I'd like to hope NOAH can pick things up in 2020 with NOSAWA (side note but it is the funniest thing to me that the booker of NOAH is a guy with an ICP tattoo on his neck) in charge of booking because they've some great young guys, some killer vets, a fun Junior division. But honestly at this point NJPW just seem to be light years out in front. Hope I'm wrong, competition benefits everyone. Just want to say that Hisame has done such a big job in making following NOAH a breeze between her blog & Twitter. Really helps to know who the wrestlers are and just give you more reasons than "good matches" to care about them.
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Seeing as Dragon Gate finally has a strong ace in Ben-K and they're iirc trying to become the NJPW of western Japan or something like that, I feel as though business will definitely pick up for them over the next couple of years iirc that whole formal AJPW/NOAH/W-1 alliance never came to fruition, right? Shame really, something like that would definitely help them compete with NJPW going forward. Oh well.
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forkboy84 posted:I love New Japan a lot but man is it sad seeing business falling for everyone else. NOAH, AJPW, Dragon Gate, they all had absolutely killer poo poo in 2019. NOAH run that big Marufiji card in 2018 that they didnt run in 2019. I think they are about on par. I was speaking to someone who also tracks attendance and they were running a bit better over the back half of the year according to him. So take that with the caveat that it was just some dude on reddit.
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All Japan TV has a show on at the same time as New Japan tomorrow. And then another the following day. 10/1/2020 AJPW New Year Wars Nagoyashi Meito Sports Center, Nagoya 4:30AM EST, 1:30AM PST, 9:30AM GMT, 6:30PM JST All Asia Tag Team Titles Jake Lee & Koji Iwamoto (c) vs Ryouji Sai & So Daimonji Kento Miyahara, Yoshitatsu, & Hokuto Omori vs. Yuma Aoyagi, Danny Jones, & Francisco Akira Violent Giants (Suwama & Shuji Ishikawa) vs. Naoya Nomura & Dan Tamura Wild Menso (Takao Omori & Black Menso~re) vs. Jun Akiyama & SUSHI Evolution (Hikaru Sato & Yusuke Okada) vs. God's Legion (UTAMARO & Izanagi) Rising HAYATO Trial Series, Match 1 of 3 Rising HAYATO vs. Zeus 11/1/2020 AJPW New Year Wars: All Day Ebisu "Let's do it! Oi!" Yodogawa Civic Center, Osaka 2:00AM EST, 11:00PM PST(1/10), 7:00AM GMT, 4:00PM JST Violent Giants (Suwama & Shuji Ishikawa) & Strong Thirteen vs. Yoshiken (Kento Miyahara & Yoshitatsu) & SUSHI Jake Lee vs. Danny Jones Zeus, Jun Akiyama, & Francisco Akira vs. Wild Menso (Takao Omori & Black Menso~re) & Rising HAYATO Evolution (Hikaru Sato & Yusuke Okada) vs. Atsushi Maruyama & Black Tiger VII Naoya Nomura & Hokuto Omori vs. Yuma Aoyagi & Atsuki Aoyagi Koji Iwamoto vs. Dan Tamura There's also NOAH on Friday & Sunday but god only knows what the gently caress will be shown live or on delay or on Youtube or never see the light of the day like it's 1998. I'm spoiled. Anyway, have a Dragon Gate card which is live on the Network and has the start of the tournament to crown new Open The Twin Gate champions. 11/1/2020 Dragon Gate Open The New Year Gate KBS Hall, Kyoto 2:15AM EST, 11PM PST (10/1), 7:15AM GMT, 4:15PM JST Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament 1st Round KAI & Strong Machine J vs BxB Hulk & KAZMA Sakamoto Dragon Kid, Naruki Doi & Ultimo Dragon vs Big R Shimizu, Eita & Kaito Ishida Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament 1st Round Ben-K & YAMATO vs Gamma & Masaaki Mochizuki Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament 1st Round Keisuke Okuda & Punch Tominaga vs Masato Yoshino & Susumu Yokosuka HYO vs Ryo Saito Genki Horiguchi vs Jason Lee Open The Twin Gate Title Tournament 1st Round Don Fujii & Yasushi Kanda vs Dragon Dia & KZY Twin Gate tournament is a straight knockout deal, there's 12 teams involved so 4 teams get a bye to round 2. Teams that enter at round 2 (on the 12th in Osaka) are Big R Shimizu & Eita, Dragon Kid & Kagetora, Genki Horiguchi & Ryo Saito, & Jason Lee & Yosuke♡Santa Maria. Big E will face winner of Ben-K & YAMATO vs Gamma & Mochizuki, Kid & Kagetora will face winner of Fujii & Kanda vs Dia & KZY, Genki & Ryo will face winner of KAI & J vs Hulk & KAZMA, Lee & Yosuke will face winner of the last match. Which is almost certainly going to be Yoshino & Yokosuka.
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Just out of curiosity, which Japanese promotions have regular TV presence inside of Japan?
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Hellblazer187 posted:Just out of curiosity, which Japanese promotions have regular TV presence inside of Japan? If you've got Samurai TV you instantly have access to a boatload of wrestling. They have New Japan, NOAH, All Japan, ZERO1, Stardom, DDT, Big Japan, Freedoms. Then GAORA has Wrestle 1 & Dragongate at least. Honestly, Samurai TV seems like the best TV channel in the world.
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OK so basically all of them have some TV presence. That's good.
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The big ones, yeah, they'll have some sort of coverage, probably of a show at Korakuen Hall. But Samurai TV is, as I understand it, not a channel that most people have because it's a subscription cable/satellite channel & that's not caught on in the same was in the US.
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Is there a way to get Samuari TV in the states? I'd love access to more wrestling. Edit: Derp, answered above while I was typing my response!
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I think a Dragon Gate gen team is getting the Twin Gate, probably either the YAMATO/Ben-K team or the Kzy/Dragon Dia team. Since Toryumon has the Dream Gate, and RED has the Triangle and Brave gates, I think they'll want to balance out the factions at the beginning of the year by giving the Dragon Gate Gen the other "main" title.
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If I was a betting man I'd probably bet on Ben-K & YAMATO to win it. I dunno, Dragon Dia seems far too low down the pecking order, it'd be like Punch winning. But I suppose 2020 could be the time to start giving him a little more shine.
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It'd probably be YAMATO/Ben-K but my thinking was A. They're high on Dragon Dia, and the mini-push he got at the end of 2019 might be prepping him for bigger things this year, and giving him a surprise flash win over Hulk seems like something DG would do, and B. I'm thinking they might want to give Kzy a belt, since he's essentially the co-leader of the Dragon Gate gen with YAMATO, and YAMATO doesn't really need a belt at his moment.
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Ganso Bomb posted:Is there a way to get Samuari TV in the states? I'd love access to more wrestling. http://www.isakuraiptv.com/
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forkboy84 posted:The big ones, yeah, they'll have some sort of coverage, probably of a show at Korakuen Hall. But Samurai TV is, as I understand it, not a channel that most people have because it's a subscription cable/satellite channel & that's not caught on in the same was in the US. Keep in mind Japan hasn't ever caught on to cable or satellite in the way the US did, it's got a much smaller footprint by comparison. and even then, if you want to get a satellite subscription, SamuraiTV is in the sports tier above and beyond the normal tier. So it's not like back in the day when NJPW and AJPW and then NOAH had TV deals on legit-rear end broadcast TV. [edit] tl;dr calling it a "TV presence" is a bit overselling things. keep it in context.
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Samurai TV is Japanese BEiN Sports
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OK do any of them have broadcast presence that regular people would watch in Japan then? I understand Dragon Gate is probably the number 2 fed in Japan (I've asked this before). Do any of DG, Noah, or AJPW have decent English (or Spanish) content outside of the shows? I understand there won't be English commentary, but if there are like, either official or fan made English language recap essays or something that can help me keep up with the story lines?
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Hellblazer187 posted:OK do any of them have broadcast presence that regular people would watch in Japan then? I believe DG has started doing an english broadcast for major shows, I think they use old EVOLVE/DGUSA manager Larry Dallas.
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Hellblazer187 posted:OK do any of them have broadcast presence that regular people would watch in Japan then? Stardom now has a TV show which is on network TV in Tokyo only. There are companies on cable TV which have more reach than Samurai TV. NOAH is on G+ and AJPW/DG/OZ are on GAORA, both of which are in around 8 million households from the latest data I can find.
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