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Big Mean Jerk: Jan 27, 2009; Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Astroman posted:

"We won't go back, the Eggs Benedict are everywhere!"

Some serious Evil Insurrection Admiral vibes here

# ? Jan 5, 2020 00:15

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# ? May 27, 2024 00:11

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Some serious Evil Insurrection Admiral vibes here

Poor Anthony Zerbe got killed in two movies in horrific fashion: Insurrection and License to Kill.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 00:16

Small Strange Bird: Sep 22, 2006; Merci, chaton!

Gonz posted:

Poor Anthony Zerbe got killed in two movies in horrific fashion: Insurrection and License to Kill.

He was also something like five different sleazy villains who got punked by the IMF in the Mission: Impossible TV series. Poor guy was never going to be cast as the romantic lead.

(Actually, Shatner got cast as an M:I villain twice, yet Nimoy was a heroic lead for two years. Hmm...)

Small Strange Bird fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Jan 5, 2020

# ? Jan 5, 2020 00:44

Farmer Crack-Ass: Jan 2, 2001; this is me posting irl

Kesper North posted:

It sounds so much more like overtake, but yes, you're correct. TIL. I blame the bad videotape I grew up watching.

I don't know what it is about the audio mix but some of the dialogue in 2 and 3 gave me trouble as a kid as well.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 01:03

Timby: Dec 23, 2006; Your mother!

Kesper North posted:

Perhaps Data has been altering his appearance to make his aging human friends feel less self conscious about it :3

Data is space dust now, remember. In Picard, he's wearing the TNG movie-era uniform. This is clearly Picard having a dream.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

I don't know what it is about the audio mix but some of the dialogue in 2 and 3 gave me trouble as a kid as well.

Budget for microphones and shooting schedules, essentially, because the television division was producing Hollywood movies on a shoestring budget. A lot of the dialogue in both movies is very heavily ADR'd.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 01:36

Sir Lemming: Jan 27, 2009; It's a piece of JUNK!

That new Data definitely looks a hell of a lot better. Old one was just weird, in a way that didn't look intentional. Just poorly matched face to head.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 01:45

Kesper North: Nov 3, 2011; EMERGENCY POWER TO PARTY

Timby posted:

Data is space dust now, remember. In Picard, he's wearing the TNG movie-era uniform. This is clearly Picard having a dream.

I so totally don't buy him staying dead, tbh, that's part of why I phrased it that way.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 02:19

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

We don�t know what happened with B-4 yet

There was a trailer with a Soong-type Android in a drawer so I assume that was B-4 but there�s no confirmation. I am pretty sure Data is not back unless something is planned for S2

# ? Jan 5, 2020 02:33

Uncle Lloyd: Sep 2, 2019

The implication of Data coming back to life post-Nemesis was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. If they were going to leave that plot thread dangling, why would they have shown Data in the trailers?

# ? Jan 5, 2020 03:21

Beachcomber: May 21, 2007; Another day in paradise.; Slippery Tilde

B-4 is a goddamn dumb as gently caress name.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 04:13

HD DAD: Jan 13, 2010; Generic white guy.; Toilet Rascal

It was originally supposed to be B-9 in an earlier draft script.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 04:15

Doggles: Apr 22, 2007

I'm the guy who names his first creation B-4, already knowing it'll be an absolute failure and that I'll have to build another.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 04:23

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

Doggles posted:

I'm the guy who names his first creation B-4, already knowing it'll be an absolute failure and that I'll have to build another.

... george hw bush???

# ? Jan 5, 2020 04:37

Pick: Jul 19, 2009; Nap Ghost

wait george w was older than jeb wasn't he. frick!

# ? Jan 5, 2020 04:39

Mr. Prokosch: Feb 14, 2012; Behold My Magnificence!

Maybe Soon had an iterative process and just had numbers for the unfinished products. Alpha 1-6 then Beta 1-4. B4 was just good enough to keep around instead of disassembling, and after that he figured his creations were a release product and gave cool marketing names like "Lore" and "Data."

# ? Jan 5, 2020 05:02

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Gonz posted:

Hope Nu Data also has a catte.

At the target hour, he will leap into the fray riding a tiger.

Mr. Prokosch posted:

Maybe Soon had an iterative process and just had numbers for the unfinished products. Alpha 1-6 then Beta 1-4. B4 was just good enough to keep around instead of disassembling, and after that he figured his creations were a release product and gave cool marketing names like "Lore" and "Data."

I hope it's like My Life As A Teenage Robot where XJ-9 has XJ 1 through 8 deactivated in the basement, to be brought out in only the direst of emergencies or when she's bored. And then they all combine into a giant wall.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 05:51

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

3/14 never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVlKqh6IRdo

# ? Jan 5, 2020 05:58

Kibayasu: Mar 28, 2010

Ohhhhh, Before, now I get it.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 06:12

Drink-Mix Man: Mar 4, 2003; You are an odd fellow, but I must say... you throw a swell shindig.

Uncle Lloyd posted:

The implication of Data coming back to life post-Nemesis was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the head. If they were going to leave that plot thread dangling, why would they have shown Data in the trailers?

I guess, but in his appearances in both trailers he is wearing two different bygone uniforms (TNG and movie era) so I've still gotta go dream sequence on this one.

Or something like Picard is interfacing with his disembodied consciousness or something.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 07:39

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

There's something strange
In the old vineyard
Guess who it is?
Ghost Data!

# ? Jan 5, 2020 07:41

Astroman: Apr 8, 2001

Doggles posted:

I'm the guy who names his first creation B-4, already knowing it'll be an absolute failure and that I'll have to build another.

Nice to meet you, Often Wrong.

:smug:

# ? Jan 5, 2020 10:21

Craptacular!: Jul 9, 2001; Fuck the DH

Disney did CGI Cushing partly because they were applauded for doing the same thing with Jeff Bridges in TRON Legacy.

I'm fine with Data being allowed to have Old Man Wear, personally. Part of playing an android in a sci-fi show IMO isn't about looking like an artificial person but instead being an actual person that for some reason just doesn't look quite right. Lance Henriksen in Aliens would be my favorite example, but is very unlikely in Trek due to THE VISION(tm) of a world where people are always standing spine-straightened and erect. I tend to think that's a Berman thing more than a Gene thing, because the TOS crew seemed to slouch in their chairs more often than anyone until DS9.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 10:53

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Having a living template to put the de-aged CGI on top of helps. The Jeff Bridges Clu CGI wasn�t half bad for a movie 11 years ago, and Michael Douglas in Ant Man was the best the technology has ever looked. The CGI ghost of Peter Cushing was horrendous. Shoulda just had the Tron or Marvel people do it for them.

Eventually the technology will get there, but it�s not quite there yet.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 11:03

Gonz: Dec 22, 2009; "Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

Old Man Data, if real and not a vision, can be handwaved away by Data dropping some line like he did in the TNG finale about adding grey to his hair to give the illusion of aging, despite the fact he can�t die for thousands of years.

�I reshaped my body to look like i�ve been skipping the gym, Admiral.�

Riker�ll probably poke fun at him, too.

�Data, you�re old!�

�Sir, you are old and fat, too! And your beard is weird!�

�gently caress! I know! PISSSSSSSSSSSSSSS�

Gonz fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Jan 5, 2020

# ? Jan 5, 2020 11:07

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

It actually does fit given Bashir's pointed out how much effort goes into Data's construction to make him seem human and to put other humans at ease. IIRC it's implied Dr Soong developed his prototypes based on feedback from people over how much they fell into the Uncanny Valley and deliberately made Data and Lore look slightly alien so humans would be more accepting. Makes a lot of sense since in a society where most humans regularly interact with aliens that look almost-human, people have more leeway for something that looks human except is a weird colour or has a weird head.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 11:41

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Cross-Section posted:

https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1213463607528378373
He's basically been reverted to Nemesis-era Data, which is fine by me.

Looks kind of like Palpatine to me.

Good... Good

# ? Jan 5, 2020 14:21

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Actually wouldn't be surprised if Data says he's modified his appearance to reflect his self-image as well.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 15:37

ruddiger: Jun 3, 2004

Astroman posted:

"We won't go back, the Eggs Benedict are everywhere!"

Nice to see Tom Riker found some peace and quiet in his golden years.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 15:43

8one6: May 20, 2012; When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

ruddiger posted:

Nice to see Tom Riker found some peace and quiet in his golden years.

That would be a hilarious thing to do, have both Will and Thomas show up in the show. Like, have Thomas married to a Cardassian or Bajorian who looks uncomfortably close to Troi.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:25

HD DAD: Jan 13, 2010; Generic white guy.; Toilet Rascal

8one6 posted:

That would be a hilarious thing to do, have both Will and Thomas show up in the show. Like, have Thomas married to a Cardassian or Bajorian who looks uncomfortably close to Troi.

And every scene with him ends with him ominously peeling off his sideburns.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:30

8one6: May 20, 2012; When in doubt, err on the side of Awesome!

HD DAD posted:

And every scene with him ends with him ominously peeling off his sideburns.

That is one of the best reveals in TV history.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:40

John Wick of Dogs: Mar 4, 2017; A real hellraiser

Odo: Tirellian false sideburns are illegal in 17 sectors, Quark!
Quark: Not this one!

# ? Jan 5, 2020 17:41

marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Since they were (at least initially) using the anti-ageing effects, I doubt there are more than a couple of scenes with Data.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 19:12

T.C.: Feb 10, 2004; Believe.

HD DAD posted:

And every scene with him ends with him ominously peeling off his sideburns.

The best part of it is that Thomas Riker had the same beard as Will in his previous appearance. If he just showed up with no sideburns, it's not like anyone he met or anyone in the audience would have been "IT'S THE OTHER RIKER!" It's only a reveal because they show him very obviously taking the fake sideburns off, so he was clearly disguised. In a worse world the writer would have picked a much more sensible reveal, like him throwing off his comm badge and then dispatching a message saying "This is Tom. I'm on my way" before cutting to the opening.

The Tom Riker entry on Memory Alpha is the most Memory Alpha thing ever. It stubbornly includes all of Will Riker's history in the Tom Riker entry, so to get to anything a reasonable person would want to read, you have to scroll past half the article. Basically, the article is only useful to a person that already knows who Tom Riker is.

# ? Jan 5, 2020 20:47