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Can’t impeach Trump now, it’s NFL playoffs E: oh gently caress my poo poo post is at the top of the page
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They’re definitely going to cast the Democrats as unpatriotic and putting “American lives at risk” for distracting the president with this sham impeachment while he has a war to fight. Guaranteed.
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Jan 4, 2020 20:29
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Phil Moscowitz posted:They’re definitely going to cast the Democrats as unpatriotic and putting “American lives at risk” for distracting the president with this sham impeachment while he has a war to fight. Guaranteed. would've happened regardless, the political efficacy of that card is incredibly limited when they've been doing it like every day since 9/11
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Jan 4, 2020 20:31
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It also only works if the war is at least somewhat popular. Assuming the public is gonna rally around a war with Iran is a stretch.
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Jan 4, 2020 20:57
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They don’t care.
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Jan 4, 2020 21:02
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Chuds with millennial kids are probably less likely than you'd think to be enthusiastic about a boots on the ground war. Lots of hosed up and disabled veterans came from super chuddy areas
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Jan 4, 2020 21:16
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Phil Moscowitz posted:They don’t care. What's the model for an anti-Trump voter who suddenly decides after four grueling years to support him because of a theoretical war with Iran? Is it just literally identically John Bolton?
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Jan 4, 2020 21:45
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I was speaking about the GOP politicians when I said "they," not voters. The GOP is glued to Trump now, and whether war with Iran is popular or not, if Trump decides to stick the big dick of the US military into Iran, then the GOP is going to cradle its balls until the end.
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Jan 4, 2020 21:50
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I was speaking about the GOP politicians when I said "they," not voters. The GOP is glued to Trump now, and whether war with Iran is popular or not, if Trump decides to stick the big dick of the US military into Iran, then the GOP is going to cradle its balls until the end. ironically tucker was attacking the idea last night, because he would prefer trump to be advancing the cause of white nationalism at home instead. this topic's relation to impeachment seems pretty tangential, though, unless we move on to some absolute nightmare scenario of like legit landwar in iran (and, at that point, the question is probably whether there'll be a coup here rather than impeachment). at best it's going to be like the latest in a long series of talking points about why we can't impeach, which really doesn't matter
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Jan 4, 2020 22:23
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oxsnard posted:Chuds with millennial kids are probably less likely than you'd think to be enthusiastic about a boots on the ground war. Lots of hosed up and disabled veterans came from super chuddy areas "I prefer veterans who weren't crippled / disfigured."
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Jan 5, 2020 08:15
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Graham mulls rule changes to start impeachment trial without articlesquote:Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said on Sunday that he is mulling rule changes in an effort to quickly start the Senate impeachment trial of President Trump without the articles that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is withholding from the upper chamber
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Jan 5, 2020 22:21
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poo poo all of a sudden they're all to the letter of the constitution
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Jan 5, 2020 22:28
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as usual, what Lindsey Graham says extremely does not matter because his vote isn't one of the votes that matter
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Jan 5, 2020 22:32
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eke out posted:as usual, what Lindsey Graham says extremely does not matter because his vote isn't one of the votes that matter Also, anything Lindsey Graham says is intended for only one set of ears.
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Jan 5, 2020 22:35
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eke out posted:as usual, what Lindsey Graham says extremely does not matter because his vote isn't one of the votes that matter Deteriorata posted:Also, anything Lindsey Graham says is intended for only one set of ears. yep. this is all mealy mouth bullshit to make trump feel good. its all at an impasse right now and trump is probably gonna drag us into a big war so who knows.
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Jan 5, 2020 22:40
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eke out posted:as usual, what Lindsey Graham says extremely does not matter because his vote isn't one of the votes that matter Was it a resolution to condemn Schiff, or was it something else? Point is, Graham doesn't have the votes for anything.
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Jan 5, 2020 23:43
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Rick is all in on the idea that Trump did this to appease Bolton and prevent him from testifying https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1213970740145512448 https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1213973243574603777
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Jan 6, 2020 01:16
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This seems really stupid. So they'll do a joke acquittal without even getting the articles of impeachment? That's going to look like a joke to most people.
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Jan 6, 2020 01:40
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One weird Loophole: acquit Donald J. Trump of impeachment sans articles! When articles get there, you can say "oh but we already acquitted him  "Alternately: impeach Domald J. Trunp
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Jan 6, 2020 01:48
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FilthyImp posted:One weird Loophole: acquit Donald J. Trump of impeachment sans articles! When articles get there, you can say "oh but we already acquitted him Are you ready...for DOUBLE JEOPARDY it sin the constitution look it up
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Jan 6, 2020 02:27
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1glitch0 posted:This seems really stupid. So they'll do a joke acquittal without even getting the articles of impeachment? That's going to look like a joke to most people. Does it look like a joke to the narcissist in chief and his followers that make up the radical minority of the population? That's all that matters. There is no intent to reach out to anyone else on this. Suck the ego of the orange god and whip his cult into a frenzy. That's it. That's the plan. That's where it starts and ends.
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Jan 6, 2020 02:36
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Are you ready...for DOUBLE JEOPARDY
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Jan 6, 2020 02:43
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If the Iran poo poo kicks off to the point where there is a war. Can a sitting president postpone an election for "national security" reasons or is that something that would need all 3 branches to back it?
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Jan 6, 2020 11:37
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CyberPingu posted:If the Iran poo poo kicks off to the point where there is a war. Can a sitting president postpone an election for "national security" reasons or is that something that would need all 3 branches to back it? As much as Trump gives a poo poo about laws and statues and poo poo like that (which is to say, barely at all), there's no precedent for it, not even a little. We still had elections during the fuckin' Civil War. I think any attempt to postpone elections, say with an executive order, would likely see an immediate lawsuit or something that would stay it and allow elections to happen anyways.
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BlackIronHeart posted:As much as Trump gives a poo poo about laws and statues and poo poo like that (which is to say, barely at all), there's no precedent for it, not even a little. We still had elections during the fuckin' Civil War. I think any attempt to postpone elections, say with an executive order, would likely see an immediate lawsuit or something that would stay it and allow elections to happen anyways. I guess his main campaign talking point is going to be that hes the only person that can get America through this and how you "dont want a socialist running a war"
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Jan 6, 2020 11:57
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It'll just be "you don't change horses mid-stream" on an endless loop.
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Jan 6, 2020 12:09
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Even if he somehow starts WWIII and we aren't all obliterated then an election will still go on.
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There is no mechanism whatsoever for delaying or canceling a US federal election. That will not become a serious possibility without a massive disruption to day-to-day life throughout the country which would mean we all have much bigger problems anyway.
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Jan 6, 2020 14:35
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CyberPingu posted:If the Iran poo poo kicks off to the point where there is a war. Can a sitting president postpone an election for "national security" reasons or is that something that would need all 3 branches to back it? The states run the election and the only states that he could bully into not running an election are the ones that would elect him.
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Jan 6, 2020 14:38
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BlackIronHeart posted:As much as Trump gives a poo poo about laws and statues and poo poo like that (which is to say, barely at all), there's no precedent for it, not even a little. We still had elections during the fuckin' Civil War. I think any attempt to postpone elections, say with an executive order, would likely see an immediate lawsuit or something that would stay it and allow elections to happen anyways. He doesn't have to. The 'Wartime President' bump should in theory put him back in the running to win re-election.
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Another thing is that the federal government does not hold elections, states do. So individual states would have to agree to suspend their elections and that's not happening. If Trump somehow got all of the states with republican state governments to agree to this, the result would be an automatic democrat win. The electoral college wouldn't obtain a plurality, the selection would go to the house of representatives and that's that. Oh, and they could refuse to seat anyone who didn't win an election that year making things even more lopsided. Breaking the electoral system like that just isn't feasible in the United States. Doesn't mean that republicans won't eventually try, but it's definitely not happening this year.
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CyberPingu posted:If the Iran poo poo kicks off to the point where there is a war. Can a sitting president postpone an election for "national security" reasons or is that something that would need all 3 branches to back it? haveblue posted:There is no mechanism whatsoever for delaying or canceling a US federal election. That will not become a serious possibility without a massive disruption to day-to-day life throughout the country which would mean we all have much bigger problems anyway. Hunt11 posted:Even if he somehow starts WWIII and we aren't all obliterated then an election will still go on. Munkeymon posted:The states run the election and the only states that he could bully into not running an election are the ones that would elect him. DandyLion posted:He doesn't have to. The 'Wartime President' bump should in theory put him back in the running to win re-election. Random Stranger posted:Another thing is that the federal government does not hold elections, states do. So individual states would have to agree to suspend their elections and that's not happening. i don't mean to be rude to any of y'all but this is not the thread for this i'm sure now that Congress is back in session today we will have more things to post about that're on-topic, but thoughts about whether the 2020 election will happen and if war will help trump (lol) are not for this thread
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DandyLion posted:He doesn't have to. The 'Wartime President' bump should in theory put him back in the running to win re-election. Just look at how astonishingly GHWB won Clinton with the victories in Panama and Kuwait under his belt! Anyway, all of this is speculation of speculation atm.
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Nenonen posted:Just look at how astonishingly GHWB won Clinton with the victories in Panama and Kuwait under his belt! Don't jinx it you fool!
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https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1214235938576125952 bolton says he'll testify in the senate, which (1) duh of course he will (if he's actually called), there's no question that they can successfully compel him there (2) undermines his already bad argument for not testifying the house further eke out fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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eke out posted:https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1214235938576125952 He's making a big deal about cooperating while being as uncooperative as possible.
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Tibalt posted:I mean, it seems to me more that he's claiming the House subpoenas are void now that the Articles are being sent (they aren't, and they aren't yet), and he's using the same line with the Senate - I'll testify (if you subpoena me and I contest it in court and a judge orders me to comply) no, i don't think so there are no house subpoenas for him, it clearly is a different line, and john bolton isn't stupid enough to think that he will win in a judicial challenge to a subpoena approved by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States eke out fucked around with this message at 18:41 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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My immediate thought is "Republican majority in the Senate, Democratic majority in the house." Am I somehow wrong in thinking he wants to testify in the Senate so he can vomit bullshit Republican talking points while covering his own rear end from people who would hold him accountable for lies?
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bird food bathtub posted:My immediate thought is "Republican majority in the Senate, Democratic majority in the house." Am I somehow wrong in thinking he wants to testify in the Senate so he can vomit bullshit Republican talking points while covering his own rear end from people who would hold him accountable for lies? senators do not do the questioning in impeachment
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eke out posted:no? My point is that Bolton loudly announcing he'll do something he has no choice about to get some headlines isn't actually cooperative
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