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Love this threat of "imminent attacks" that somehow would all fall apart without the idea guy at the head. Why would Soleimani's death even slow them down, if they're that far into planning? Was he literally the only commander Iran had? gently caress CNN
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Stringent posted:AllI know is I can't wait to see what they do.
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Flayer posted:Realistically Iran will wait until some minor opportunity shows up and use it for internal propaganda. This assassination will have done nothing more than harden Iran on it's path to being the regional powerhouse and any move that triggers an all out war with the USA likely hurts that objective. Long term the assassination of Soleimani will likely prove counter-productive as it will provide great impetus to Iranian adventurism but short term nothing of significance will change much. Except the US alienating essentially everyone and violating international law, possibly moving into an illegal occupation of foreign territory, and generally proving to even it's closest allies that it shouldn't be trusted (as of they needed more proof). I really do think the blowback from not telling the UK will be felt. It's so beyond the acceptable for a military partner.
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Flayer posted:Realistically Iran will wait until some minor opportunity shows up and use it for internal propaganda. This assassination will have done nothing more than harden Iran on it's path to being the regional powerhouse and any move that triggers an all out war with the USA likely hurts that objective. Long term the assassination of Soleimani will likely prove counter-productive as it will provide great impetus to Iranian adventurism but short term nothing of significance will change much. I'd put money on this being wrong.
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Stringent posted:I'd put money on this being wrong. Hope I'm wrong but judging by the last few decades of history I'm not confident that the USA is vulnerable in any real way to outside attack.
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Jan 6, 2020 13:26
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The Little Death posted:Except the US alienating essentially everyone and violating international law, possibly moving into an illegal occupation of foreign territory, and generally proving to even it's closest allies that it shouldn't be trusted (as of they needed more proof). lol boris won't give a poo poo
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i think iran is being pretty consistent and clear about what their new aims are over the last day or so: https://twitter.com/IranWonk/status/1214163546424139778 edit: https://twitter.com/DavidADaoud/status/1214160305036648448
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The Little Death posted:Except the US alienating essentially everyone and violating international law, possibly moving into an illegal occupation of foreign territory, and generally proving to even it's closest allies that it shouldn't be trusted (as of they needed more proof). the entirety of Bojo's brexit strategy relies on getting along with the US for the dealz so BoJo is going to STFU and take it the world is far, far dumber than you think
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ironically bojo has actually attempted to be the voice of reason https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1214148318307205121
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Flayer posted:I honestly hope I am wrong because the USA getting away with things like this only emboldens more of the same activities. The US as in the USA proper/mainland certainly isn't vulnerable, US interests and allies absolutely are extremely vulnerable and in ways that would be felt at home very strongly, just look at how much people freak out at small fluctuations in prices. Truthfully I think there's some chance you're right, but also the reality is that a lot of people on both sides have some real interest in there being a conflict. The only thing really holding a conflict back on the Iranian side is that if they can stall for another year or two until they have a proper nuclear capability, their position wrt potential american aggression is a thousand times stronger. Crusader posted:i think iran is being pretty consistent and clear about what their new aims are over the last day or so: There's a thing in Iranian jurisprudence where if you cause a death the family of the deceased can choose to accept a payment from you that will absolve the killer of responsibility. That's what this blood money talk is, also of note, that this is likely a continued response to backchannel american offers to please not escalate Herstory Begins Now has issued a correction as of 14:22 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Jan 6, 2020 14:18
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BurningCourage posted:ironically bojo has actually attempted to be the voice of reason lol, don't the US have a law on the books where it pretty much just states that the US reserves the right to invade the Netherlands if the Hague were ever to try an American citizen for war crimes or the like? Kind of makes mentioning any convention, signed or not, pointless. edit; quick search gave me https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Service-Members%27_Protection_Act
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RajCooper posted:lol, don't the US have a law on the books where it pretty much just states that the US reserves the right to invade the Netherlands if the Hague were ever to try an American citizen for war crimes or the like? Kind of makes mentioning any convention, signed or not, pointless. yes
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Jan 6, 2020 14:21
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easily one of the worst laws ever passed (44 dem senators voted yes)
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One does not need to imagine very exotic escalations really. Iraq has requested the US to leave, Trump has already attached himself to not leaving, and Iran will be perfectly happy to (with the support of Iraq) make the continued existence of US troops in the region unpleasant and bloody. The US loses and Iran wins on both a material and PR level.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:One does not need to imagine very exotic escalations really. Iraq has requested the US to leave, Trump has already attached himself to not leaving, and Iran will be perfectly happy to (with the support of Iraq) make the continued existence of US troops in the region unpleasant and bloody. The US loses and Iran wins on both a material and PR level. i agree that’s how iran wants things to go, but the wild card is donald “exotic escalations” trump meanwhile https://twitter.com/nprkelly/status/1214168551612985344
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i hope people chant death 2 america at my funeral
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Any action from Iran, Iraq or any vaguely brown person in the world will be considered ww3 terrorist islam holocaust that will be used as a justification for any escalation up to and including nukes. Nonaction will be used as proof that killing soleimani was a necessary action as it stopped islamic ww3 holocaust hezbollahz Good times, america #1
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BurningCourage posted:ironically bojo has actually attempted to be the voice of reason Imagine being in the position where you can be lectured on cultural sensitivity by a guy who sings imperial war songs while being hosted by their former subjects
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yes but its still good to post it again
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bibi confirming what everyone has known since 1979 and previously confirmed when apartheid fell
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Crusader posted:i agree that’s how iran wants things to go, but the wild card is donald “exotic escalations” trump "Exotic escalations" is a great name for a company that makes one of a kind staircases and escalators
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BattleMaster posted:given that Israel having nuclear weapons is the most open secret in history, I bet it was some sort of vaguely-deniable flex more than a mistake yeah especially when now is really not the time to appear weak
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Crusader posted:lol now nato says they're going to have to review their presence in iraq Please die nato
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OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status/1213927907497783302?s=20 big brain TURMP
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://twitter.com/yashalevine/status/1214106854940237824?s=20 fuckin lmao @ "charge them sanctions"
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very ungrateful! https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1214225692445102080
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Having the Youtube auto-generated English captions activated when watching the live stream of a Soleimani memorial service sure was...something.
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