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You bastard now I'm crying. I went to find the sad, lonely space probe cartoon but could only find this instead https://twitter.com/briancartoon/status/1068933737314963462 E: The 25th of January isn't as cool as the 25th of December. This is the 25th page of this thread where the phrase 'skills wallet' is met with howls of derisive laughter.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:(well I can't think of many recreational uses of bleach but you get the idea) I mean, it's a specific type of bleach but plenty of people bleach and colour their own hair recreationally, as well as doing similar things to clothes.
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Guavanaut posted:There's been a few drink testing straws/papers/nail varnishes etc. but they're all putting the onus on the victim. The dye method sounds good, but that means making it legal so that a dye could be mandated, so there'd have to be a huge attitude change to "out of all of the euphoric hypnotic sedatives, here's one that we thinks safe enough for sale with the dye" because I don't think you're going to get a euphoric hypnotic sedative that doesn't incapacitate people by definition. that please. starting with MDMA. but when people G is as much fun as it is, and people already take it clubbing as a better alternative to the already legal /safer alcohol, I fear it’s going to be a struggle to get it to go out of fashion
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thespaceinvader posted:Thinking about it, the big things that I appreciate are people being willing not to make physical contact if they think they're ill, and people letting me know if there is illness around so that I can decide whether I want to attend an event or whatever. I'm particularly thinking about the standard coughs and colds and the like, which are the things that most bother me. That's a good shout, I'll have to remember that.
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Well, our Branch CLP had its AGM, and we were going to wind it down, since most of the exec were stepping down due to other commitments and the fact we'd hardly ever been quorate. But it turns out that today, we were quorate. And that's how I became the new chair. Now I just need to figure out what to do next.
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Cerv posted:Bleach, knives, What I'm saying is that decriminalising/legalising GHB doesn't require us to come up with whole new frameworks, we already have a framework in place (although it does illustrate why I've always preferred full legalisation to decriminalisation but that's besides the point I'm making). Unless you want to take a complete prohibition position on everything that may be used for harm, it ultimately comes down to making sure that the police have sufficient resources (and, crucially, policies, training and discipline) to catch people who cause harm whether with GHB, a knife, or good plain old-fashioned coercion - of course it should go without saying this also includes wider societal changes to support victims and ensure they come forward, and ultimately that people no longer even have the inclination to do harm. Futzing around with dyes or test kits is Centrist Rally territory IMO.
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Quelle surprise. https://twitter.com/nadinebh_/status/1214291350117634048?s=20
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What I'm saying is that decriminalising/legalising GHB doesn't require us to come up with whole new frameworks, we already have a framework in place (although it does illustrate why I've always preferred full legalisation to decriminalisation but that's besides the point I'm making). That makes it a bit different to the other things in that it's pretty hard to be stabby guy who goes around stabbing over 100 people with knives for too long in the 21st century, most people get caught after the first couple. Maybe the closest thing is the people that abuse hundreds of children and everybody suspects but blanks it out, but again the solutions are different there. But using gels or dispensers or capsules to reduce the risk of abuse of medicines is like half of pharmaceutical design (the other half being covering the packaging in red arrows so that people pay 8x as much for the same thing), so I don't think "make GHB legal but mandate that it's sold in a certain form that maximizes fun and minimizes offensive use" is centrism, because it'd first mean accepting that 'fun' is an acceptable use of chemicals other than nicotine and ethanol, so that would be a huge change in how we talk about drugs for starters.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:What I'm saying is that decriminalising/legalising GHB doesn't require us to come up with whole new frameworks, we already have a framework in place (although it does illustrate why I've always preferred full legalisation to decriminalisation but that's besides the point I'm making). ok, I think where we’re talking at cross purposes is that you see the suggestion as a whole new framework, but I didn't. for example methylated spirits sold on the high st already has dye and foul flavours added for safety. so it’s not a totally novel concept. and I totally agree with your last point. dyes, purchase restriction, etc make it harder for someone to set out to cause harm but are no substitute for fixing whatever hosed up poo poo in society makes them want to do it or think they can get away with it in the first place. it shouldn’t be an either/or choice when we can do both.
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RLB has formally announced her candidacy for leadership, and this article is fire - https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/01/rebecca-long-bailey-labour-leadership-socialism Choice quotes - quote:For some, there will be a temptation to compromise on our anti-racist and internationalist principles. Let me be clear: as leader I will never throw migrants or BAME communities under the bus. Never again will our party put ‘controls on immigration’ on a mug. It would be a betrayal of our principles, and of our core supporters and activists. We must defeat Johnson and the nationalist right, never pander to them. quote:We’ve also, at times, been too close to the establishment we are meant to be taking on – whether cosying up to Rupert Murdoch, joining forces with David Cameron in the Better Together campaign in 2014 or turning our focus inwards on parliamentary manoeuvring for the last year.
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Yvonmukluk posted:Well, our Branch CLP had its AGM, and we were going to wind it down, since most of the exec were stepping down due to other commitments and the fact we'd hardly ever been quorate. But it turns out that today, we were quorate. And that's how I became the new chair. Gratz! Or, well, condolences. That’s not an easy job. (I am now imagining Lottie in charge of a CLP  )I’d suggest going all in on community outreach, try to embed yourselves into as many local organisations as possible, identify local causes, muster members to pitch in en masse at pinch points. My take away from this election is that an air strategy just absolutely will not ever work, and neither will any approach where the party comes to the electorate as this outside, alien force looking to barter for votes. I think you need to make the party synonymous with whatever people care about in your neck of the woods. But if you figure out a better approach, let me know.
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mehall posted:RLB has formally announced her candidacy for leadership, and this article is fire - NOW THAT’S MORE loving LIKE IT Christ, I’ve been looking at these leadership pitches in despair, thinking we were back to 2010.
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Lavery's being smart it seems. The party left might end up actually getting behind a single candidate. https://twitter.com/benglaze/status/1214317953509969926
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It would certainly be nice to have the left more unified afterwards too, we don't really have enough of them to really throw them away in leadership fights.
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On drug chat, I've been reading about the opium wars. The UK got a ton of Chinese people hooked on opium then declared war when the Qing government had the temerity to try to stop us pushing drugs on them. And now our drug policy is one of the more draconian in the West. Just... what ?
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Ha thanks. Dom Joly is a right loving twat. Anyway, in other news: Lavery has just declared he's not running for leader, instead supporting RLB: https://twitter.com/IanLaveryMP/status/1214322453436088321?s=20
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baka kaba posted:*prospero beeps its last as a billion elon musk trash satellites rain against it* Prospero's safely above all of Musk's bullshit at least, but atmospheric drag, even at that altitude, will eventually do for her.
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Purple Prince posted:On drug chat, I've been reading about the opium wars. It makes perfect sense if you view it through the lens of the UK being an oligarchy and both policies being useful to the rulers at the time.
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mehall posted:RLB has formally announced her candidacy for leadership, and this article is fire - Darn yeah that's powerfully written RLB seems proper
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Purple Prince posted:On drug chat, I've been reading about the opium wars. Oh you're missing the best bit. The reason we got them hooked on opium was literally all of our silver was being spent on tea from China, and China refused to import anything from us to allow us to get the silver back. So we muscled all of the local opium growers and smugglers out of the trade and flooded the black market with cheap, industrially-produced, opium. Quite a few people point to the Opium Wars as the reason why China has, since the 1970s, been so careful to buy up enough US bonds to prevent a significant trade imbalance to occur (something that has massively insulated the American economy from the consequences of its own stupidity for years), and a few others - well my mate Kev - reckon that all those fun research chemicals are their payback. Oh and when I say "we", I actually mean the East India Company, a corporation powerful enough to not only basically own the entire Indian subcontinent it also had it's own army and navy, both of which were considerably larger than the actual British forces, and whose ownership of the national debt gave them basically completely free reign to do whatever they wanted (from hooking an entire nation on opium to assessing their own customs duties on imports), just in case you thought there was anything new under the sun.
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RLB's officially in with a good article, and Lavery swallowed his pride, dropped out, and endorsed her. Seems like the best-case scenario right there, and makes the leadership vote really easy.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Quelle surprise. https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1214289860623777798 I wonder which bit No.10 is mad at him for?
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This is a really lovely read. If you haven't read it, please do.
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Purple Prince posted:On drug chat, I've been reading about the opium wars. The later faction won mostly because of splitters from another faction and the Emperor dismissed all of the former and appointed Lin Tseh-Sen to be a giant dickweed and have bunch of people killed and set a bunch of stuff in international bonded warehouses on fire, providing the casus belli for Britain. Then in the aftermath of the war, after Britain enforced legalization, it turned out that consumption didn't increase and that the actual cause of the silver drain was army corruption and a weakened regional bureaucracy, and opium was just a convenient scapegoat. Then Britain kept opium illegal domestically anyway, because learning from things is for foreigners. Then the entire of the Fens ignored Britain anyway, because malaria. Plus ça change.
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^^^ saves me a job lol ok it's good to see RLB isn't pulling any punches, plus she sounds way more up for a fight than Jeremy. Probably gonna be a huge backlash now but she's already not giving a gently caress somebody tell dude from Novara that Salford rhymes with Walford goddamnedtwisto posted:Prospero's safely above all of Musk's bullshit at least, but atmospheric drag, even at that altitude, will eventually do for her. it would be cool if someone could crack the codes before then, unless the fools did something like actual good security
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Rarity posted:Lowtax killed FYAD Never got the place tbh given I only really post here and games.
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Guavanaut posted:But using gels or dispensers or capsules to reduce the risk of abuse of medicines is like half of pharmaceutical design (the other half being covering the packaging in red arrows so that people pay 8x as much for the same thing) He said nothing: Merely knelt beneath the machine as it whirred and ejected the gel onto his outstretched tongue, like hand sanitiser. A very gross tableau. I wondered what would happen if some Kingston Trio/young stockbroker type might wander in and catch us in the act. gently caress him, I thought. With a bit of luck, it’ll ruin his life – forever thinking that just behind some narrow door in all his favorite bars, men in red Pendleton shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he’ll never know. Would he dare to suck the teat? Probably not. Play it safe. Pretend you never saw it. …
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OwlFancier posted:Never got the place tbh given I only really post here and games. Post in Rowdy Ring Sports. It's good. njsykora posted:Lavery's being smart it seems. The party left might end up actually getting behind a single candidate. Someone tell me how that Rachel Swindon character has taken this news because just today she was raving about RLB being a stooge of Jon Lansman.
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Pretty sure all Lavery's doing the last week or so has been maneuvering himself to get a decent Cabinet gig out of RLB and I can't really see any problems with that outcomeOwlFancier posted:Never got the place tbh given I only really post here and games. There was nothing there to get
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forkboy84 posted:Post in Rowdy Ring Sports. It's good. My name is scoopsgal and I approve this message 
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Oh you're missing the best bit. It wouldn't have been easy, it would have required study and intrigue in an unwelcoming environment, but instead he considered himself adequately knowledgable of 'the East' due to his experience in the Mediterranean, because of course he did, and promptly tripped over his own dick.
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Are there any rumors on what's going to happen with DFID? After the election there were some articles suggesting it would be merged into FCO, but I haven't seen anything since then.
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Purple Prince posted:On drug chat, I've been reading about the opium wars. The Indian Rebellion of 1857 had diverse political, economic, military, religious and social causes. An uprising in several sepoy companies of the Bengal army was sparked by the issue of new gunpowder cartridges for the Enfield rifle February, 1857. The cartridges were made from cow and pig fat. Loading the Enfield required tearing open the greased cartridge with one's teeth. This purposely insulted both Hindu and Muslim religious practices; cows were considered holy by Hindus, while pigs were considered unclean by Muslims. Underlying grievances over British taxation and recent land annexations by the BEIC were ignited by the sepoy mutineers, and within weeks, dozens of units of the Indian army joined peasant armies in widespread rebellion. This is the main cause of revolt (The religious provocation) for both Muslim and Hindu, who were seeing their power steadily eroded by the East India Company, also rebelled against British rule. Another important source of discontent among the Indian rulers was that the British policies of conquest had created unrest among many Indian rulers. The policies like the doctrine of lapse, Subsidiary Alliance deprived Indian rulers of their power. One of the main reasons for the revolt was that the British east India company also started meddling with India’s political and financial system. So the people of India broke out for revolt in 1857. After the rebellion, there was rumour in Britain that Russia was responsible 1800s Britain was a loving trash fire. The more things change... E: Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a bit of Laudanum tho. EE: In honour of the Brexiting, maybe I should go read the Aubrey/Maturin novels again to really get into the Laudanum soaked pre-boomer mindspace. RockyB fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Smeef posted:Are there any rumors on what's going to happen with DFID? After the election there were some articles suggesting it would be merged into FCO, but I haven't seen anything since then. DEFRA, the Environment Agency, and Natural England were all merged years ago, and let me tell you they're only getting round to integrating systems now, and have barely started on processes. They won't announce the merger until they've done sufficient groundwork with the top level civil servants on where they want to take the merged department.
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mehall posted:RLB has formally announced her candidacy for leadership, and this article is fire - Holy poo poo that's the first time I've seen a prominent labour figure acknowledge Better Together was a mistake. Good stuff RLB.
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Guavanaut posted:I think what made this case such a big deal was that the perpetrator was able to continue for so long and that people (even the survivors) didn't even know what was happening. Drugs that completely interfere with memory will always be in a strange place in a judicial system that relies heavily on testimony (and a human experience that relies heavily on memory), and I guess it was inadvertently very considerate of him to keep mobile videos and stolen photographic ID cards as trophies. At the risk of sounding disrespectful towards the victims, to me they are the bigger part of this story than Sinaga's use of drugs. I've read and listened to a lot of true crime podcasts and stories. And as part of my job, I have had a ton of experience with crime and the victims of crime. What Sinaga did is very much straight out of the play book of all serial rapists. (In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if he read about them.) The difference was his targets all seemed to be non sex worker men. His approach (go to an isolated man. Offer assistance, bring him to back to his home.) These are all things that women have been warned to avoid all their lives. But men don't get that advice. Even the described aftermath of the crimes are one that women would end up reporting/being suspicious of (since it's a huge fear for all women.) With Sinaga, he picked a group that wouldn't recognize the signs of what had happened. (This is borne out by how many never knew they had been the victims of crime until they were told by the authorities.) Even taking into account his use of G (which rapists have been using on women and men since the 90's and much earlier with other substances. ) had he been targeting women, I think he would have been detected much sooner.
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mehall posted:DEFRA, the Environment Agency, and Natural England were all merged years ago, and let me tell you they're only getting round to integrating systems now, and have barely started on processes. Have they continued operating business as usual in the meantime, or did it just quickly devolve? Any idea what's likely to happen with foreign aid budgets and commitments?
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