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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Do you think a not-insignificant number of Republicans just went "oh poo poo" and decided Mike Pence would be a better President? If they didn't do that in 2017, 2018 and 2019 I don't think a little thing like 'starting a war for funsies' will sway them.
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stev posted:If they didn't do that in 2017, 2018 and 2019 I don't think a little thing like 'starting a war for funsies' will sway them. Yeah if anything it makes hardcore Republicans like him even more.
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Comrade Fakename posted:The best version of the RoboCop vg theme is obviously the Game Boy one, a true classic: Is this the robocop thread now A cool remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG8HOAo2TbA
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Meanwhile in other news: Nice that they chose to accompany this with a picture of her looking pretty and warm and friendly. It's like the reverse of that passage from the Twits about inner beauty. The more fellow-feeling and care for others someone displays, the uglier they appear to Tories.
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Mr Phillby posted:loving amazing that the president can just start a war in the middle of being impeached Even dumber the people who impeached him will now support him Whew that was some drama over night
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https://twitter.com/deportablediz/status/1214707714875691008 guys you won the election guys you can stop now guys GUYS
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Say whatever you like about Thatcherism, at least it's a loving ethos man
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:guys you won the election 
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:https://twitter.com/deportablediz/status/1214707714875691008 I want to scream at how nakedly, purposely poo poo our media is. They're covering the Labour leadership election with far more vigour and enthusiasm than they are the absence of the prime minister during escalating military conflict involving close allies. I hope every media commentator has a loving stroke.
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ThomasPaine posted:Trump thought he could pull a ridiculous power move without consequences and got called out, this is exactly what he deserves and I have zero sympathy for him or anyone who picks up a gun in service of the country he leads. You realise the US has the draft. I had to sign up for it when I moved there. Volunteering to pick up a gun, sure, but that's not necessarily what's going to happen.
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feedmegin posted:You realise the US has the draft. I had to sign up for it when I moved there. Volunteering to pick up a gun, sure, but that's not necessarily what's going to happen. America has been at war for most of my lifetime, but it hasn't used the draft in my lifetime. It isn't going to happen.
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feedmegin posted:You realise the US has the draft. I had to sign up for it when I moved there. Volunteering to pick up a gun, sure, but that's not necessarily what's going to happen. Also, the main places they do get volunteers from are towns in the arse end of the states with a whole lot of nothing in them, of kids looking for a way out of those places, to get a college education. It's the time old thing of depriving a community of any jobs, then hoovering up the desperate by offering them pay and travel, except oops you're killing brown people and we won't home you after you get PTSD
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ThomasPaine posted:Trump thought he could pull a ridiculous power move without consequences and got called out, this is exactly what he deserves and I have zero sympathy for him or anyone who picks up a gun in service of the country he leads. this was basically all the military people who have for years wanted to kill suleimani finally having a president who doesn't give a poo poo about consequences so they presented him with it knowing he would do it and could take cover that he would get the blame
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Unfortunately I have to admit ignorance. What is Qasem Soleimani supposed to have done that makes him a terrorist and it being such a good thing he was killed?
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He was a bit poo poo to civilians and may have been indiscriminate while he was defeating ISIS and al-Nusra, but that puts him more in the league of Bernard Montgomery than Osama bin Laden.
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bessantj posted:Unfortunately I have to admit ignorance. What is Qasem Soleimani supposed to have done that makes him a terrorist and it being such a good thing he was killed? I believe he was the head of a bunch of Iran's foreign insurgent groups. So he was probably your standard war hawk rear end in a top hat but nothing particular. "Did he deserve to die" probably for a whole bunch of reason but by a metric that if applied to the US would probably see the higher commands pretty well purged.
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Guavanaut posted:He was a bit poo poo to civilians and may have been indiscriminate while he was defeating ISIS and al-Nusra, but that puts him more in the league of Bernard Montgomery than Osama bin Laden. Let's not sugar coat this though, dude was in charge AFAIK of Iran's intelligence? That means finding terrorist orgs at the very least. He was not a good dude by any metric but here's the thing: THAT DOESN'T MATTER. You can't assassinate people, even if they're terrorists, out of nowhere. You know why? Because the category of who is and isn't a terrorist is very subject to change based on whims. Owen Jones' sister was detained under terrorism laws after returning from the G8 protests in Germany, iirc. We should always condemn assassination without trial because it's morally wrong and also because of pragmatic reasons. The left is opposed to the establishment and the establishment decides who is a terrorist. Once we get any actual opposition going, it'll be us.
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That's my line of thought. Montgomery funded terrorist cells in Africa too, but they were ours so they were actually freedom cells (the best cells). But he also defeated fascists and 80% of the country regarded him as a war hero (about the same as Soleimani in Iran) in the 50s/60s, so it'd be like if Russia had blown him up out of nowhere while he was wandering around Africa plotting mineral access coups. The country would be livid and there would be a reaction.
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I'd suspect that construction of an intelligence service focused on assassination of top government officials would get you invaded faster than announcing you have a nuclear weapons program despite being less dangerous. The USA has both of course.
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I should appreciate Trumps response to the missile attack. It's surprisingly..... diplomatic? compared to his usual belligerent rhetoric. I don't know what the US expected from Iran. Did they expect Iranian pilots in 40 year old Soviet aircraft to be shot down before they could even reach US targets? As opposed to modern missiles out of nowhere?
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bessantj posted:Unfortunately I have to admit ignorance. What is Qasem Soleimani supposed to have done that makes him a terrorist and it being such a good thing he was killed? Does it matter? He was extrajudicially assassinated by Team America World Police, I frankly don't give a gently caress what he did, that's not OK, it's how wars start and oh look
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I love the English left, it's so cool and smart and aware https://twitter.com/PerthshireMags/status/1214601112319352833?s=19
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Miftan posted:Let's not sugar coat this though, dude was in charge AFAIK of Iran's intelligence? That means finding terrorist orgs at the very least. He was not a good dude by any metric but here's the thing: THAT DOESN'T MATTER. You can't assassinate people, even if they're terrorists, out of nowhere. You know why? Because the category of who is and isn't a terrorist is very subject to change based on whims. important to note that this wasn't out of nowhere its highly likely the US deliberately lured him there under pretences of de-escalation with saudi arabia before droning him
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Anyone know how to change a Q to an N on a placard?
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lol emily thornberry https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1214863787326660609
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Jose posted:important to note that this wasn't out of nowhere its highly likely the US deliberately lured him there under pretences of de-escalation with saudi arabia before droning him Out of nowhere as in he didn't orchestrate 9/11 last week, but I take your point Coohoolin posted:I love the English left, it's so cool and smart and aware Can you elaborate? I'm not knowledgeable enough about scotpol to understand the reference.
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bessantj posted:Unfortunately I have to admit ignorance. What is Qasem Soleimani supposed to have done that makes him a terrorist and it being such a good thing he was killed? The NY Times Daily podcast did a good summary of him yesterday, tldr, he was seen as "the guy" to a lot of what we consider terrorist organisations. When his mother died a couple of years ago. The leaders of Hezbollah, ISIS and a couple of others all turned up to show their gratification towards him and pay respects, which is pretty odd according to the journalist who was reporting on this. Doesnt excuse the US killing him, however, there is another school of thought out there that the US didnt realise he was in the convoy and they thought it was a high ranking army official.
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In one month the US managed to drone strike twice as many Afghan civilians as there were suspected to be remaining Taliban members in the country. The idea that 'terrorist' is some objective label you can slap on people and call it a day is really loving stupid.
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Miftan posted:Out of nowhere as in he didn't orchestrate 9/11 last week, but I take your point bud are you saying Iran did 9/11
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:The idea that 'terrorist' is some objective label you can slap on people 
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Coohoolin posted:I love the English left, it's so cool and smart and aware
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CyberPingu posted:The NY Times Daily podcast did a good summary of him yesterday, tldr, he was seen as "the guy" to a lot of what we consider terrorist organisations. When his mother died a couple of years ago. The leaders of Hezbollah, ISIS and a couple of others all turned up to show their gratification towards him and pay respects, which is pretty odd according to the journalist who was reporting on this. the new york times have been pushing war with iran for years so i wouldn't trust anything they say, particularly that ISIS leaders turned up to pay respects
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