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Lube Enthusiast posted:Kindly requesting a goon approved app/website that’s up to date on which road’s are closed off cause of the fires. Asking because My dad’s doing a Canberra to Perth drive soon. tia lube enthusiast This is the WA emergency site which has info on the bushfire. https://www.emergency.wa.gov.au/#map/warning/bav_256443165/moreinfo
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Luneshot posted:How flammable is a city? I would think someplace like downtown Sydney wouldn’t be at risk of going up in an inferno because of the lack of fuel, and we don’t build everything out of wood anymore. Not a dumb question at all. Quite a few of Australia's cities have pretty leafy suburbs pretty much just merging into the bush at the outer surburbs on some sides. Our capital is basically a giant parkland with houses and other buildings occasionally thrown in here and there. ...It's a legit worry.
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golden bubble posted:Shouldn't a city be able to use it's highways and major roads as impromptu firebreaks? Bushfires often get big enough that they jump roads easily.
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golden bubble posted:Shouldn't a city be able to use it's highways and major roads as impromptu firebreaks? I think embers can blow over those, so if it's dry and/or windy enough they might not work.
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golden bubble posted:Shouldn't a city be able to use it's highways and major roads as impromptu firebreaks? Southern California goon here. Cities are full of things that are very flammable. It feels like people counted on fires not getting close enough to burn down cities, but that may as well have been a lifetime ago. As far as firebreaks go though, firebreaks don't work as effectively once the wind really gets blowing. Here's an example from the Thomas Fire. Our local fire departments had units racing all over the country trying to put out small spot fires that were miles away from eachother. To make things worse the winds blew faster than the fire trucks could drive.
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Good BBC piece on Cobargo. https://youtu.be/aEptYwF0IYk Also I'm pretty sure ember attack can occur several kms ahead of the fire front Paracausal fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Quantum Shart posted:Good BBC piece on Cobargo. On Black Saturday spotting was occurring up to 30km ahead of the fire front...
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Lube Enthusiast posted:My dad’s doing a Canberra to Perth drive soon. tia lube enthusiast No he isn't. There is currently no (sane) road connection between East and West. I think the only open roads at the moment involve going via NT and take ~2 weeks.
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The wind can be devistating. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXQ20TjllSQ
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Poll info today, from back in November, indicates two thirds of the country wants drastic action on climate change. Link - https://www.news.com.au/technology/...dbaa12b3c793bd9 Presumably this number would be even higher right now. Luneshot posted:So, this is probably a really dumb question, but I’m an American who didn’t grow up in wildfire country. I'm about 11km from the CBD in Brisbane (that's what, 6-7 miles off the top of my head?) and I have bushland and scrub, including kangaroos. A firestorm might not reach the city, but it could absolutely burn everything around the CBD and cut it off. Gammon fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jan 8, 2020 |
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Suddenly worrying about bushfires + all the flammable cladding.
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There was a point in December where there was only one way out of Sydney because the rest had been closed by fire. That’s a city of 5 million not having any real way of going places. I’m still surprised that the Royal National Park hasn’t gone up yet but there’s still time in the season I guess.
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It's more the suburbs of Australian cities that carry the bushfire risks. Greater Sydney sprawls all over the Sydney basin and has a lot of suburbs that are adjacent to, or even surrounded by, bushland. It also has many 'town' CBD's (Central Business Districts) along with the main Sydney city CBD that are urbanised and built up. Greater Sydney covers 12,367.7 sq km with just over 5 million people living there. As the population of Australia is 25 million it means that 1/5th of Australians live in Sydney alone. This map shows Sydney's suburbs It is 50km (31 miles) from the Sydney CBD in the east to Penrith in the west at the edge of the Blue Mountains. Some suburbs of Sydney have burnt before, some like Turramurra had a fire back in November during our first 'catastrophic' fire danger rating day https://twitter.com/abcnews/status/1194131148311425024 The urban parts of Sydney don't really carry a bushfire risk, just your normal city risk of fire.
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For our US friends: "CBD" is what we call a city's central area. I think it's what you'd call "downtown".
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I just got an email from my mum asking if I want to go to the NSW south coast in February, i'm like "whaaaaaat"
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Hyperlynx posted:For our US friends: "CBD" is what we call a city's central area. I think it's what you'd call "downtown". CBD is a US term as well
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The Australia Institute did some polling on the climate emergency and how we should respond to it back in November and published their findings today. https://www.tai.org.au/sites/default/files/Polling%20-%20January%202020%20-%20War%20footing%20for%20climate%20change%20%5BWeb%5D.pdf The results are actually quite encouraging considering our Murdoch media and climate change denying government. "Two in three Australians (66%) agree that Australia is facing a climate change emergency and should take emergency action. Only one in four Australians (23%) disagree."
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Dr. Garbanzo posted:There was a point in December where there was only one way out of Sydney because the rest had been closed by fire. That’s a city of 5 million not having any real way of going places. I’m still surprised that the Royal National Park hasn’t gone up yet but there’s still time in the season I guess. The RNP was closed on Saturday due to the fire risk and weather conditions. if you were in Bundeena or Bonnievale camping area (near bundeenda,inside the RNP) your only route of exit would be the Bundeena>Cronulla ferry if a fire started. once you take the turn off into bundeena or mainbar you are on one road in/out. the RNP/Bonnievale area is also quite regularly closed on summer weekends due to being at capacity. its a hugely popular area for families to go for bbqs because the beach there is very calm and shallow, lots of big trees for shade and picnic tables etc. e: as someone who frequents the bonnievale area its hilarious that people take kids there because one year my mates and I found about 10 blue ring octopus just chilling in the rocky areas near the boat ramp about 10m away from where people let their kids play. one time I was there kids were catching them and putting them in a bucket until their parents figured out what was up and called the park ranger (who called fisheries, who basically said 'meh, we can move em but theyll swim right back' and left) Laserface fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Jan 9, 2020 |
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Helith posted:The Australia Institute did some polling on the climate emergency and how we should respond to it back in November and published their findings today. It would be interesting to see if those numbers have moved at all after the current crisis.
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cmndstab posted:It would be interesting to see if those numbers have moved at all after the current crisis. Totally, when this polling was done 'only' south QLD and northern NSW down to Sydney were on fire and the federal government were really downplaying or ignoring it. It's got so much worse since then and since NYE the crisis has really exploded in peoples awareness both here and internationally.
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Hello all, thank you for your continued support of our country and of the horrific issues we are facing. Big thank you to the other goons keeping up in news while I am busy, your updates are invaluable in letting people know what is happening. I would like to pause a moment to link this article regarding the memetic spread of some information. https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-08/misleading-fire-maps-go-viral-during-australian-bushfire-crisis/11850948 It is important for us all to remember when we share about the crisis we do our best to ensure accuracy and provide context in the information delivered. Denial of the truth and pushing heavily slanted or false information into the public for spread is the tool of those asshats denying the climate crisis that is at the core of these fires. Do not let it become ours.
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Gridlocked posted:Hello all, thank you for your continued support of our country and of the horrific issues we are facing. Big thank you to the other goons keeping up in news while I am busy, your updates are invaluable in letting people know what is happening. 'the greenies/left are deliberately burning millions of hectares of bush and killing billions of wildlife to push the agenda of *checks notes* protecting the bush and wildlife!'
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Really good piece: https://theoutline.com/post/8508/australia-fires-climate-change-response?zd=1&zi=mk75rbzrHugeGrossBurrito posted:CBD is a US term as well
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Laserface posted:'the greenies/left are deliberately burning millions of hectares of bush and killing billions of wildlife to push the agenda of *checks notes* protecting the bush and wildlife!' It's all these arsonists you see. Number one is that Zeus fucker and his hurling lightning bolts! Why can't he accept the only bolt Mr Murdoch likes is Andrew?!?!?
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Hyperlynx posted:Really good piece: https://theoutline.com/post/8508/australia-fires-climate-change-response?zd=1&zi=mk75rbzr American reporting in, I have never heard of a CBD in my life, so thanks for explaining that.
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Dr. Garbanzo posted:There was a point in December where there was only one way out of Sydney because the rest had been closed by fire. That’s a city of 5 million not having any real way of going places. I’m still surprised that the Royal National Park hasn’t gone up yet but there’s still time in the season I guess. In 1994 which was when there were seriously bad fires in and around Sydney you could pretty much see a ring of fire in the distance from my house (around the Hills area in the north west suburbs) and I think every road in and out of greater Sydney was effectively closed off for a couple of days. Not looking forward to the day the areas around Ku-ring-gai and the northern suburbs go up again.
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Horsebanger posted:it boggles the loving mind that someone in this country thought this man was charismatic. He is also been going around saying the fire affected/endangered areas are still open for visitors, one of them being kangaroo Island that, just a few posts above had his fire break its containment line
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Fists Up posted:In 1994 which was when there were seriously bad fires in and around Sydney you could pretty much see a ring of fire in the distance from my house (around the Hills area in the north west suburbs) and I think every road in and out of greater Sydney was effectively closed off for a couple of days. Yeah I remember those fires and had relatives who got stuck on the north side of them cause they where on holidays at old bar near Taree. We where in the same place but came back later when things had settled but the mountains were on fire instead similar to this year.
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The Thomas Fire was obviously much smaller, but it works as a frame of reference for how quickly a fire can encircle a coastal city. The fire started at 6 pm in the mountains and by 9 pm it moved down several miles and was threatening to burn the entire city of Ventura. Houses at the outskirts of the city were lost, and the fire came yards away from entering and setting fire to downtown proper. The burn marks behind city hall are still visible.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I just got an email from my mum asking if I want to go to the NSW south coast in February, i'm like "whaaaaaat" Serious talk, I'm planning on taking my family to Bermagui in April. Going to go spend my filthy mining money in local pubs and craft shops and eat my body weight in Tilba cheese.
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StrixNebulosa posted:American reporting in, I have never heard of a CBD in my life, so thanks for explaining that. Seconded. I've definitely seen "business district" but I don't think I've seen it abbreviated as CBD- "downtown" is far more common. Thanks for the answers on urban fires, too. Let's hope that stays in the realm of speculation.
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