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And now starts the Fox News type incestuous cycle of a rumor across the news media. Hearst would be proud that American propaganda lives on into the 21st Century.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:And nothing is going to happen about it I assume what can really happen? if this was a fuckup by some low level missile crew than there's not much to learn except, train your guys better i guess. there's nobody to really hold accountable except for the poor bastards manning the system
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I'm still not gonna trust the US about anything when it comes to Iran so I'm going to sit in wait and see mode.
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luxury handset posted:if true, then it's probably some nervous missile system operator who doesn't know how to work the relatively new equipment committing a pretty serious personal fuckup, and the immediate supervisor who green lit the shot Several US aircraft were destroyed by friendly AA fire the day after Pearl Harbor, and of course there was the Battle of Los Angeles in February of '42 when every AA gun in the city started firing into an empty night sky. In high tension situations, people are scared, jumpy, and are willing to let their imaginations run away with them—which is why it's important not to let tensions get that high in the first place.
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At this point now it ascertained the plane was shot down. There is no reason to actually believe anybody right now about who did it is more important.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:And nothing is going to happen about it I assume It's a terrible accident and tragedy, what could possibly be done except apologies and blaming Trump for starting this whole loving mess?
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loving up your vengance show of force so bad you kill a planeload of your own citizens is some  stuff.
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Almost Smart posted:Cancer deaths are down, so it only makes sense that we need to roll back some more environmental protection regulations to balance things out. Wind energy up, cancer deaths down... you can't explain that! 
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It just shows that Iran is incompetent unlike the US military which never kills civilians.
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HootTheOwl posted:loving up your vengance show of force so bad you kill a planeload of your own citizens is some the missiles which were fired into iraq are a completely different kind of missile than would have been used to shoot down the airliner if that is what happened, then the most likely situation is someone fatfingering their AA control panel in a fit of nervous incompetence Nonsense posted:At this point now it ascertained the plane was shot down. There is no reason to actually believe anybody right now about who did it is more important. if the plane was shot down then there's really no other possibility other than the revolutionary guard, aside from some random weirdo with a rocket launcher on a grassy knoll
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luxury handset posted:the missiles which were fired into iraq are a completely different kind of missile than would have been used to shoot down the airliner A fit of nervous incompetence brought on because they were firing missiles into iraq that night.
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Space Gopher posted:You stop reading after six words? Because people who said the latter in 2003 weren't called Saddam-lovers anyway. Did Republicans praise Nancy Pelosi's thoughtful nuance How many times are you going to fall for their stupidass propaganda about the evil furriner
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HootTheOwl posted:A fit of nervous incompetence brought on because they were firing missiles into iraq that night. completely different group of dudes entirely this is like, we're launching airstrikes from this air base, also a guard at the airbase gate saw ghosts and wiped out a bus full of civilians with a machine gun
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luxury handset posted:
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:And nothing is going to happen about it I assume Is it worth going to war over? I think we've applied sanctions to everything that can be sanctioned already. Maybe Ukraine and Canada should send them a bill
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Dick Trauma posted:https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1215306676447989760 "I support Thanos but Need an Exemption" 
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luxury handset posted:completely different group of dudes entirely Again: The airbase gate saw those ghosts because you put them on max alert for a response from you launching said airstrikes.
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i get that you're trying to explain the concept of people being nervous to me but i dont think we can really connect this to the iranian military as a whole loving up their strike on american military bases
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luxury handset posted:i get that you're trying to explain the concept of people being nervous to me but i dont think we can really connect this to the iranian military as a whole loving up their strike on american military bases I would think that if after your show of force you wound up some radar operator so tight he accidentally shot down a 737 that, yes, your military hosed things up.
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The US has no experience shooting down airliners, especially Iranian ones, and even if they did it would be reprimanded and serious changes would be made. Definitely the perpetrators wouldn't be given medals. Absolutely not.
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TulliusCicero posted:"I support Thanos but Need an Exemption" Thanos did this. He was never in any danger from the snap.
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Hmmm, tensions in the Iran/Iraq region fueled by US policy and action results in a shootdown of a passenger jet in Iran shortly after takeoff? Where have I heard that before?
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you, a dilettante: check out Iran Air 655 me, a scholar: check out Korean Air 007 seriously though people in the military gently caress up all the time, red alerts or no
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luxury handset posted:me, a scholar: check out Korean Air 007 beaten
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friendbot2000 posted:https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1215015559877812228 Nice! "He sets things on fire so he can play firefighter" is a really great way to describe Trump.
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luxury handset posted:you, a dilettante: check out Iran Air 655 Also MH-17, shot down by the Russians over Ukraine and I forgot the number, the flight that got shot down over black Sea by Ukraine eternity ago when they had joint exercises with Russia rather than a war. Also Ukraine sure has some weird karma with that, for a country that had it's freedom for so short.
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Frankly speaking if your military hasn't whoopsie'd an airliner, are they even taking their jobs seriously?
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OddObserver posted:Also MH-17, shot down by the Russians over Ukraine and I forgot the number, the flight that got shot down over black Sea by Ukraine eternity ago when they had joint exercises with Russia rather than a war. We'll see Putin go for Belarus this decade.
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Nonsense posted:We'll see Putin go for Belarus this decade. Well, they have apparently been in talks to merge parliaments. I am having a hard time understanding what it means in practice since both Russian and Belarusian parliaments barely have any authority in practice. Batka likes playing weird games with this sort of thing, though, managing to be in decent relations with basically everyone, though...
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Guys it was incredibly obvious that it was shot down when the alternative explanation was a literal one in a million mechanical failure taking it down. Don't let your biases cloud your judgment on this one.
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OddObserver posted:Also MH-17, shot down by the Russians over Ukraine and I forgot the number, the flight that got shot down over black Sea by Ukraine eternity ago when they had joint exercises with Russia rather than a war. Let’s not forget when Russia killed the polish president by
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Seph posted:Guys it was incredibly obvious that it was shot down when the alternative explanation was a literal one in a million mechanical failure taking it down. Don't let your biases cloud your judgment on this one. there's nothing wrong with waiting for more information
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1215331175016865793
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Munkeymon posted:You mean they should have defunded the whole military? They could have given him considerably less than what he, the president they're currently impeaching, asked for, without defunding the whole military. Dammerung posted:I believe the defense offered for the bill's passage being a good thing was that we now have paid maternal leave for Federal workers from the funding bill and that it would have passed anyway. Silver linings and all that. I mean that's nice and all, but they were already impeaching Trump. It was not a great look at the time, and it certainly isn't now.
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Seph posted:Guys it was incredibly obvious Seph posted:Don't let your biases cloud your judgment on this one. I'd be a great juror because i can spot guilty people just like that *snaps fingers*
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luxury handset posted:there's nothing wrong with waiting for more information Fair enough, I agree it's wise to hold off until more information is known. But absent any other information I would give "accidentally shot down during fog of war while on high alert" about 1000:1 odds vs a mechanical failure causing a midair explosion.
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Seph posted:Fair enough, I agree it's wise to hold off until more information is known. But absent any other information I would give "accidentally shot down during fog of war while on high alert" about 1000:1 odds vs a mechanical failure causing a midair explosion. The Spanish American War was started by munitions in one of our warships spontaneously exploding, wait for the results of the investigation.
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Catalyst-proof posted:I'd be a great juror because i can spot guilty people just like that *snaps fingers* If I was presented with "he's guilty unless this one in a million thing happened" I would probably find them guilty tbh
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