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Tighclops posted:I'm excited for Brand! Are you excited for more Brand!? I remember brand from when I was young, and now this reminds me of brand. I know I can take it seriously as an adult because it's dark and that's how I know it's a grown-up thing. My Brand! More like - 2001 - oh poo poo, 9/11 happened. Let’s try to be culturally relevant and make HARD CHOICES. 2004 - okay that didn’t go over well, let’s go back to more classic fun Trek (gets immediately canceled) 2009 - hey, we can make Trek again, but what if it was less boring and talky, and more Star Wars? 2017 - hey, Star Wars is popular again and so is Marvel. Let’s keep shooting guns at bad guys and keep up the pace otherwise our audience won’t look up from their phones 2025 - our investors tell us we need more 
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Sir Lemming posted:That Picard synopsis is definitely not unsalvageable, but there's reason to be skeptical. There's no reason the Federation needs to be completely beyond scrutiny -- it never was -- but it'll be upsetting if they haven't at least partially course-corrected by the end of the season. I'm holding out hope that the situation isn't as grim as it seems. This could just as easily be written as Starfleet still being Starfleet, there's a humanitarian crisis with a lot of political complications, and that has resulted in a current policy of "we're not getting involved." I feel like that has happened a fair amount of times already on TNG.
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Jan 9, 2020 20:36
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Jan 9, 2020 21:08
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Your friendly commissar will tell you hope is the first step on the road to disappointment Going back to the jokey heist premise for Picard, I actually like the idea of an overly cautious and slow Starfleet Command (with a small but significant number of the admirals letting the disaster settle the score for them with the Romulans) creating a refugee crisis that disgusts Picard so much he calls in some favors, gets together a motley crew, and does what he can to help, only to discover things he wasn't meant to know while doing this. And is anyone sentient alive less able to resist a mystery than Jean-Luc Picard, and can he keep his ragtag band of unlikely compatriots on the right track and from each others' throats? Boom, season 1 right there without getting all grimdark. (Unless the mystery is bullshit like Starfleet borgifying crew and ships to test their effectiveness on long missions or some such.)
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Jan 9, 2020 21:42
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John Wick of Dogs posted:People give Quark too much poo poo for that incident imo. He just wanted to sell a piece of stolen art. No way he could have known this was a strike team going after Jadzia. Isn't the Quark issue from 'Invasive Procedures', where Quark lets a group of terrorists including Klingon Tuvok onto the station so they can steal Dax from Jazdia to give to a Trill who wasn't good enough to be joined?
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Zaroff posted:Isn't the Quark issue from 'Invasive Procedures', where Quark lets a group of terrorists including Klingon Tuvok onto the station so they can steal Dax from Jazdia to give to a Trill who wasn't good enough to be joined? He thought he was letting them on to buy a questionably sourced cultural artifact when most Starfleet Security personnel would be gone and Odo would be busy. He's as surprised as everyone else when they pull out a gun
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Jan 9, 2020 22:00
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I'm holding out hope that the situation isn't as grim as it seems. This could just as easily be written as Starfleet still being Starfleet, there's a humanitarian crisis with a lot of political complications, and that has resulted in a current policy of "we're not getting involved." I feel like that has happened a fair amount of times already on TNG. The Prime Directive could easily be trotted out every time Starfleet brass thinks, "Maybe we shouldn't get involved."
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Jan 9, 2020 22:26
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Quark also sold weapons to the Maquis and worked as an arms dealer, neither of which landed him in prison somehow
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Jan 9, 2020 22:32
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Quark never getting in any long-term trouble for letting the group that temporarily stole the Dax symbiont on to the station is the one that sticks in my mind, though I guess the reason is that it occurred in season ... one, I think? While the show was still finding its feet and things were a lot less serialised.
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Jan 9, 2020 22:41
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FlamingLiberal posted:Quark also sold weapons to the Maquis and worked as an arms dealer, neither of which landed him in prison somehow Knowing how much he's disappointed Odo is punishment enough.
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Veeta posted:Quark never getting in any long-term trouble for letting the group that temporarily stole the Dax symbiont on to the station is the one that sticks in my mind, though I guess the reason is that it occurred in season ... one, I think? While the show was still finding its feet and things were a lot less serialised. I think I read somewhere, probably Memory Alpha, that the powers that be were unsatisfied with that episode because they thought Quark got off way too easy for selling out Dax. A more characteristic episode (for both Quark and for DS9) was the arms dealing one, where Quark felt stabs of conscience (and didn't like the fact that Dax was pissed at him) and voluntarily quit selling weapons.
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I think they mentioned that what he was doing in the station wasn't technically illegal, just very immoral and illegal adjacent. He was showing potential buyers a good time and displaying wares in the holodeck. The exchanges happened in deep space and he wasn't a direct party to that. According to federation law he was fine, they had to threaten him with no leniency for the slightest technical infraction from now on to get him to stop. Like getting Al Capone on tax evasion.
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Jan 9, 2020 23:02
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And poor garak is just a simple tailor!
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Mr. Prokosch posted:I think they mentioned that what he was doing in the station wasn't technically illegal, just very immoral and illegal adjacent. He was showing potential buyers a good time and displaying wares in the holodeck. The exchanges happened in deep space and he wasn't a direct party to that. According to federation law he was fine, they had to threaten him with no leniency for the slightest technical infraction from now on to get him to stop. Like getting Al Capone on tax evasion. Wasn't it that Federation law had no bearing because it was a Bajoran station and the Bajorians felt indebted to the arms dealer dude for giving them weapons when no one else was during the occupation?
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Admiralty Flag posted:Your friendly commissar will tell you hope is the first step on the road to disappointment What's the joke? Because this seems to be the exact premise of the show from what I can tell.
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Jan 9, 2020 23:17
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Veeta posted:Quark never getting in any long-term trouble for letting the group that temporarily stole the Dax symbiont on to the station is the one that sticks in my mind, though I guess the reason is that it occurred in season ... one, I think? While the show was still finding its feet and things were a lot less serialised. Quark did help the Resitance in a way too, even if it was for personal profit. So must have given him some lenience for what he did later.
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First Star Trek Picard Short Trek is out! Set about halfway between Nemesis and Picard, it's about two young classmates on mars surviving during a sudden attack on the planet. Not much is said, but the attack on the planet is mentioned to be done by 'rogue synths'. I assume synths are the mass produced Data-style androids we've briefly seen in other trailers. Could help explain more how Data or Data's memory fits into the series plot. Did the Federation decide to flip on its Measure of a Man decision and mass-produce slaves for easy labor and some are rebelling?
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Jan 10, 2020 00:54
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Gotta call in the Orz to deal with the Androsynth.
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MikeJF posted:First Star Trek Picard Short Trek is out! Set about halfway between Nemesis and Picard, it's about two young classmates on mars surviving during a sudden attack on the planet. I haven’t seen it yet but I wonder if the term synth is also applied to Hugh’s collective of free Borg given how some people may not see them as their respective species anymore.
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MikeJF posted:First Star Trek Picard Short Trek is out! Set about halfway between Nemesis and Picard, it's about two young classmates on mars surviving during a sudden attack on the planet.
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Jan 10, 2020 02:32
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Is Picard getting its own thread like Discovery has?
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Pick posted:Odo is bad at his job for a changeling. Who said changelings are good at jobs? Most of them don't even have jobs, they're just amorphous goo hanging out in a pond feeding off of more adventurous changelings' memories while their slave armada procures any necessary resources and assaults all other civilizations. It's a miracle that Odo managed to work his way up from test tube curiosity to chief of police, and I'm not sure where that fits in between the Cardassian Central Command's plans to grind up Bajorans in the mines and Dukat's personal plans to use his position of power to gently caress as many able-bodied women as possible, as well his alleged attempts to reduce the damage to the Bajorans that Central Command intended.
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It's a soft reboot of Space: Above and Beyond
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Arglebargle III posted:It's a soft reboot of Space: Above and Beyond I would kill for that. loving chigs man.
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Thom12255 posted:Is Picard getting its own thread like Discovery has? You could............. make it so. 
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SlothfulCobra posted:Who said changelings are good at jobs? Most of them don't even have jobs, they're just amorphous goo hanging out in a pond feeding off of more adventurous changelings' memories while their slave armada procures any necessary resources and assaults all other civilizations. Presumably they had to put a lot of work in to engineer those slave races in the first place.
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Animal-Mother posted:You could............. make it so. post it somewhere weird. get freaky with it
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oh but seriously I posted:post it somewhere weird. get freaky with it I vote Cycle Asylum
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Quark never actually sold weapons. He sold the Vulcan Maquis a name, and he provided the evil human arms dealer a showroom for a cut of offsite sales occurring in non federation space
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Thom12255 posted:Is Picard getting its own thread like Discovery has? I was thinking of just starting a new catch-all thread for all currently-in-production Treks (Picard, Disco, Short Treks, Lower Decks) with a new OP in time for the Picard premiere.
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MikeJF posted:First Star Trek Picard Short Trek is out! Set about halfway between Nemesis and Picard, it's about two young classmates on mars surviving during a sudden attack on the planet. My theory is they are using nonsentient Data-like androids that have somehow been hacked by the Romulans to destroy that armada Starfleet is building in the prequel comic. That is what the Romulans are up to on that Borg cube: reverse engineering Borg tech to weaponize enemies' AI against them.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:Like getting Al Capone on tax evasion. I guess I forgot all about the episode with Artificial Intelligence Capone.
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Watching Descent Part II and holy poo poo is Beverly a badass acting captain. No hesitation, decisive, yet stays composed even when they're parked in the photosphere of a sun. Way better suited than Riker, who has zero chill when he's in charge and just yells at everyone. It's not just his own deliberate self-sandbagging that explains why he doesn't have a command yet.
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Laterite posted:Watching Descent Part II and holy poo poo is Beverly a badass acting captain. No hesitation, decisive, yet stays composed even when they're parked in the photosphere of a sun. That was like the most sedate action sequence in all of Star Trek
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Laterite posted:Watching Descent Part II and holy poo poo is Beverly a badass acting captain. No hesitation, decisive, yet stays composed even when they're parked in the photosphere of a sun. I’ve said it before but they really should have switched Crusher and Geordi’s roles. She excels in episodes that give her problems to work out and leadership type stuff to do, and LeVar Burton is one of the most charismatic actors around when he isn’t forced to play Data’s sidekick. He’d have played an excellent CMO.
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One of the more interesting things about Descent (okay the only interesting thing) was that they seriously considered crashing the Enterprise at the end of part one, with the possibility of either Crusher or Troi dying, since I think both McFadden’s and Sirtis’s contracts were up at the end of season 6.
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Admiralty Flag posted:FTFY. (Though I think Stewart was just a horn dog who swept in on every attractive guest star, not that he demanded actors like Hetrick get cast just so he could creep on them specifically.) I'm not going to claim that Stewart specifically demanded more hot co-stars, but he is quoted by multiple people as having said "the captain needs to be doing more screwing and shooting on this show." HD DAD posted:2004 - okay that didn’t go over well, let’s go back to more classic fun Trek (gets immediately canceled) They were already a dead series by the time the fourth season started.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’ve said it before but they really should have switched Crusher and Geordi’s roles. She excels in episodes that give her problems to work out and leadership type stuff to do, and LeVar Burton is one of the most charismatic actors around when he isn’t forced to play Data’s sidekick. He’d have played an excellent CMO. I'm not sure how that would have worked, since Geordi wasn't originally in a leadership role, although having the surgeon be the guy with the super-vision would make sense in its own way.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:That was like the most sedate action sequence in all of Star Trek I still think Rascals has the most bizarre tonal dissonance, where the direction and music are all "huh, looks like we've got a problem here" but the actual words are "holy poo poo like half the lower decks just exploded, we're loving dying"
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