canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1215529125500207104

OP is not the idiot.

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1215529125500207104

OP is not the idiot.

Katt posted:

Points for honesty. He could have said something like "improved the economy, created more jobs, lowered crime" etc and been 100% in the clear.

TinTower posted:

https://twitter.com/TatsuyaIshida9/status/1202641781596114944

Tag yourself I'm the medieval executioner.

(Seriously, though, Sinfest guy has as much "only transphobic to get his deck wet" energy as Graham Linehan)

TinTower posted:

He posted it on Spinster, too.

You know, the mastodon that federates with Gab.

Ague Proof posted:

His Spinster account posts comics slightly different from what's on his site or his Twitter, where slight dialogue changes make it more blatant that yes, he's talking about trans women and he hates us.

They're deeply weird people.

TinTower posted:

He posted it on Spinster, too.

You know, the mastodon that federates with Gab.

canepazzo posted:

https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1215529125500207104

Sestze posted:

common theme among TERFs is once you start spouting TERF talking points on social media, it becomes practically the entirety of what you post.

i think the self-reinforcing nature of the TERF community leads to a positive feedback loop, and nothing else they post comes close to that dopamine rush.

Data Graham posted:

Increased heart rate, sounds good sign me up

Also I can't tell whether they're citing that UC doctor as proof that nicotine is fine actually or to make some weird (((point)))

luxury handset posted:

addicts get spun up in all kinds of rationalizations as to why the addictive substance they are compelled to consume is actually good and healthy if you use it right

there was a guy in d&d who had a whole thread about how big tobacco and the public health apparatus in the united states were in cahoots to suppress plucky little independent vape shops, who provide a healthier way to consume nicotine which is a substance that is totally fine on its own

BioEnchanted posted:

I always find it amusing that the female orgasm wasn't an acknowledged thing outside of womens circles until like the 70s because all it implies is that for millions of years of evolution, men were just THAT BAD AT SEX. Since the earliest men banging around there, to Christopher columbus exploring, the one thing that no one ever found without a walkthrough was the clitoris. Then one guy finally hit it by accident in 1972 and women collectively just went "FINALLY!"

Adam and Eve invented the euphemism when Adam tried the first time, failed, and Eve went behind a tree to... pet the unicorn. The true original sin was a simple lie "Oh honey... that was... great..."

T-man posted:

Hey now serial killers can be trans too!






so I've heard

luxury handset posted:

people who are addicted to cocaine, opiates etc. sometimes go through a stage where they think "well, this isn't good, but if i maintain at this level i'm fine" and of course nearly nobody maintains at that level of use, the substance use increases and gets worse. but rarely you run in to a functional cocaine or opiate addict who you wouldn't know is a user. and sometimes, these people interpret their weird equilibrium tolerance as 'healthy use' but most folks who use these drugs and aren't wrecked keep quiet about their substance use, and they get away with it if they're not visibly a coke or pill head

as you mention though it's mostly nicotine and weed where addicts have more space to reach a level of use that is arguably functional. nicotine itself doesn't kill you, nor does weed, it's the side effects of excessive use that start doing damage and mark you as a user. this is when people cherry pick studies to make claims that like "nicotine is good for blood pressure" and "thc cures cancer" and things like that

The Saddest Rhino posted:

https://twitter.com/AITA_reddit/status/1215664261856284673?s=19

Guilty posted:

There's a ton more literature on the research being done. The best thing in the world is to never smoke anything. But for ex-pack a day smokers like me, e-cigs are a God send. Also i do want to say i recognize nicotine as a harmful substance even by itself, i.e. vaping and I'm hoping to stop entirely this year. It's a journey. I'm perfectly happy with e-cigs being regulated as some sort of addictions treatment. But America's fear mongering about the whole vaping thing is very clearly a marketing campaign by tobacco industries, and as long as cigarettes are still widely available to anyone 18+, any sort of ban on vaping is extremely hypocritical and clearly political.

The Saddest Rhino posted:

https://twitter.com/AITA_reddit/status/1215664261856284673?s=19

Guilty posted:

You run into a ton of functional cocaine users on a day to day basis if you live in any large metropolitan Western city. I'm not saying that the drug doesn't ruin lives and isn't terrible, but it isn't a 100% chance that if you use it you'll end up requiem for a dreaming your rear end into the news. As for opiates, there have been studies done on why America didn't double in addicts after the Vietnam war considering how many soldiers came home with severe addictions, and you realize how much environment has an effect on addiction. Of course now we have a much larger problem with pharmaceuticals and the American pain killer addiction cycles.

As for nicotine itself, that quote is technically true. A lot of the scariness of cigarettes is in its combustion and the toxins from addictive additives in the cigarette. There's definitely some political implications behind the way that quote was used. But it's not to say that it's wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RisBe5sLGPc

There's a ton more literature on the research being done. The best thing in the world is to never smoke anything. But for ex-pack a day smokers like me, e-cigs are a God send. Also i do want to say i recognize nicotine as a harmful substance even by itself, i.e. vaping and I'm hoping to stop entirely this year. It's a journey. I'm perfectly happy with e-cigs being regulated as some sort of addictions treatment. But America's fear mongering about the whole vaping thing is very clearly a marketing campaign by tobacco industries, and as long as cigarettes are still widely available to anyone 18+, any sort of ban on vaping is extremely hypocritical and clearly political.

My partner is the leading researcher into nicotine addictions in the UK and president of a few societies on addiction preventions across the world. I'd be happy to forward any questions if anyone has any.

luxury handset posted:

absolutely not - the tobacco companies are going all in on vaping because they want to transition from selling the dirty, unhealthy nicotine to the 'safe, clean' nicotine. they don't care if people use tobacco or not, they very much care if they sell nicotine. as i said, addicts prefer to think that the substance they are addicted to is actually good and healthy and not at all a problem to consume. tobacco companies have been pushing safer versions of their products for decades, and e-cigs and vapes are just the next step in this process

the recent push to make all nicotine products 21+ was endorsed by the tobacco industry because it is the easiest legislation for them to swallow which does not impact their bottom line. people draw a distinction between big tobacco and big vape when this is a false dichotomy between different large firms who all depend on selling an addictive product, nicotine, to a captive audience

the big problem with the 'vapes are safer' argument is that it is a comfortable place for people to rest in addiction without thinking they're killing themselves slowly. as you say, the end of the journey is to quit using nicotine entirely, and as fellow nicotine addicts we should be encouraging any policy stance which prevents people from using nicotine in the first place and becoming addicted. my opinion is that vapes create more nicotine addicts over time than they save, and thus the overall harm reduction experienced by society is illusory. one of the ways to deal with this mental conflict - "vaping is better than smoking" conflicting with "vaping creates more nicotine users over time" is to say things like "actually, nicotine by itself isn't bad for you" which is almost precisely the message that nicotine sellers want people to believe

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

well to be fair, how much of the post vietnam opiate usage reduction was merely due to a lack of supply?

Guilty posted:

You can invent stories in your head all you want, but you can also point out specific legislation and give me a day or two and I can find the tobacco company behind the media putsch for that legislation. In almost all cases it's PMI.

PMI doesn't want vaping. Vaping doesn't turn in nearly half the profit cigarettes do over a user's lifetime. Also smokers are more likely to stop smoking through vaping than they are to increase spending. Vaping is a dead end for smokers. It's in PMI's best interest to manufacture this controversy over vaping because in the end, they win either way. Juul is owned by Altria already, and they don't give a poo poo if it's banned because PMI is what's bringing in the money anyways. This whole past year has been a mess for the public because of so many people so quick to hop on a bandwagon and cry wolf over a non controversy and has really distracted from the original issue: cigarettes loving suck.

The more you talk about vaping and the more opinions you have on vaping you are basically playing right into PMI's hands if you don't put an even stronger effort into fighting smoking.

luxury handset posted:

addicts get spun up in all kinds of rationalizations as to why the addictive substance they are compelled to consume is actually good and healthy if you use it right

Sagebrush posted:

?? no ??

ancient writings from all sorts of cultures refer to sexual practices designed to increase the woman's pleasure. in judaism a wife could divorce her husband for being too crappy in bed. the kama sutra is extremely well known. the loving bible has a love song in it where the woman talks about receiving oral sex.

humans have always known about orgasms and having sex. it's ridiculous to assume that we've discovered some technique in the last fifty years that was unknown for the last fifty thousand.

what you're perceiving is just a couple hundred years of american puritanism that finally ended (in some parts of the country) in the 70s.

Krispy Wafer posted:

In Medieval times they thought a female orgasm was necessary for pregnancy.

chitoryu12 posted:

Cirrhosis Johnson posted:

Isn’t this somewhat true though? TERFs really do hate men, and they see transwomen as just men trying to occupy their “safe” spaces.

Guilty posted:

Like 0. There's tons of heroin in the US and it's super easy to get.

Katt posted:

He's trying to hitch the misandry bandwagon to the plight of the trans community.

Sever that thing like a diseased limb and let it crash and burn.