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DontMockMySmock posted:I'm a little unclear on what Paz is getting at, here. What is she expecting to accomplish? Does she think Annies are going to say "oh, didn't realize, guess we'll go back to being one person then" and then do a fusion dance? She's a scared and angry 15(?) year old and has no one else to take it out on.
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Regy Rusty posted:She's a scared and angry 15(?) year old and has no one else to take it out on. Boxbot isn't around?
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Jan 10, 2020 14:01
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Uthor posted:Boxbot isn't around? It's genuinely possible that he isn't. 
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A big flaming stink posted:yeah, kind of seems like paz is just upset about the situation and wants annie to make it better...somehow Yeah shes upset and looking to vent and do something to fix but unfortunately the only thing is to yell at the problem who canr fix itself Seems pretty understandable , its a pretty lovely situation and everyone is teens.
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The Annies are actually the ones in this mess NOT doing anything wrong. Kat is bottling up her feelings and not dealing with anything in a healthy way. Paz is lashing out at Annies after not being able to get through to Kat. Meanwhile the Annies are just trying to make the best out of a bizarre situation.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:26
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Kat has a deep connection to the robots and if their consciousness is all hosed up and locked down that could affect her in ways that aren’t obvious or even human.
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To be fair to Paz, we don't actually know WHAT she's upset about beyond Kat overworking herself and not being open. We don't know if Paz thinks this is cus of the dual Annies or something else that the Annies legitimately do have more control over.
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Demiurge4 posted:Kat has a deep connection to the robots and if their consciousness is all hosed up and locked down that could affect her in ways that aren’t obvious or even human.
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Jan 10, 2020 16:05
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Paz, a child, blowing up like this is good writing.
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I was thinking about the lake water memory. I would love it if coyote came back and said "by the way, the forest elves are a load bearing construct in the aether. Make sure not to let them leave the forest or else everything will get hosed up in the aether." Seems like a him thing to do.
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Uthor posted:Boxbot isn't around? He is the lynchpin in the defense against Loup
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rannum posted:Yeah shes upset and looking to vent and do something to fix but unfortunately the only thing is to yell at the problem who canr fix itself The Court, the Elves, and Paz are all in a pretty poo poo situation, but since they can't do anything about the actual source of the problem (a tantrum throwing capricious god dog), they have to settle for the next best thing: taking it out on the local doormats.
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Kerning Chameleon posted:The Court, the Elves, and Paz are all in a pretty poo poo situation, but since they can't do anything about the actual source of the problem (a tantrum throwing capricious god dog), they have to settle for the next best thing: taking it out on the local doormats. Annie is still the official representative of that god-dog, to be fair.
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Think about it, though - Kat kind of feels like EVERY single part of the issues going on are her responsibility, due to her being key in coming up with solutions before. The robots being frozen, Annie's duplication, working on the new human/robot bodies, helping with the Loup situation - Kat probably feels like all of those things depend completely on her and no one else, so she doesn't have the option to stop working. The sad part is, due to her unique skills, she's not wrong. But she really needs to accept that she can't do everything. Paz' anger should be directed less at Annie and more at the court for letting Kat, a high school student, be responsible for this instead of cleaning up their own drat mess.
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Opening a hole in the barrier involves loving with the robots in a way that Kat said she doesn't like and the Annies just kinda ignored it. So the Annies aren't totally faultless here.
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I don't think it's kat putting every burden on her shoulders, like the robots situation and so on, but specifically the reveal that neither Annie is supposed to be here. Paz says outright that Kat was getting better about the 2 annie situation but then, specifically within the past few weeks, she's gotten much worse Which would probably line up exactly with the big reveal that Kat was visibly not happy with at all
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Opening a hole in the barrier involves loving with the robots in a way that Kat said she doesn't like and the Annies just kinda ignored it. So the Annies aren't totally faultless here. I don't really see how she "ignored it". What alternative does the court have for the Forest people, and how is that Annies' decision at all?
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Rotten Red Rod posted:I don't really see how she "ignored it". What alternative does the court have for the Forest people, and how is that Annies' decision at all? To me the immediate scene change after the exchange I linked says that they never talked about the issue more. And now the Annies don't know what Paz is talking about, which suggests that Kat hid her ongoing concern about the robots from Annie and Annie in turn hasn't really given it much more thought. Sure, Annie probably couldn't have changed the outcome, but still maybe Annie could have supported Kat more.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Opening a hole in the barrier involves loving with the robots in a way that Kat said she doesn't like and the Annies just kinda ignored it. So the Annies aren't totally faultless here. What's Annie supposed to do about that
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I dunno, feels like Paz (and some of the posters here!) seem to be giving Annie more agency in all this than is really the case. Outside of being a better Loup-wrangler (which may well be outside her capabilities) I'm not sure what exactly anyone's expecting Annie by herselves to do about all this. 
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jng2058 posted:I dunno, feels like Paz (and some of the posters here!) seem to be giving Annie more agency in all this than is really the case. Outside of being a better Loup-wrangler (which may well be outside her capabilities) I'm not sure what exactly anyone's expecting Annie by herselves to do about all this. To be fair we also don't know what Paz is upset about, beyond "Kat's overworked, and Paz thinks Annie's to blame"
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Kat is an Intern deity that is having to deal with the fallout from the management shift handing the reins to the trust fund deity
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Opening a hole in the barrier involves loving with the robots in a way that Kat said she doesn't like and the Annies just kinda ignored it. So the Annies aren't totally faultless here. I'm not sure what she doesn't like here. The bad part has already been done, the robot's CPU that carries their personality has been removed already, and replaced with the Court's AI that just projects a shield. Removing the hijacked CPU shouldn't change anything, either way it seems that the original robot personality is no longer in those bodies. The originals may be in a crate like the one you see in your second linked page, or in a vault like the prison Robot got sent to.
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Meh. Forget it. I don't think I can express it better than I already have, and we don't even have a full picture of what Paz is upset Kat is upset about. If all this is because Kat's obsessing over Annie being from the "wrong" timeline, then that isn't Annie's fault at all.
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IUG posted:I'm not sure what she doesn't like here. The bad part has already been done, the robot's CPU that carries their personality has been removed already, and replaced with the Court's AI that just projects a shield. Removing the hijacked CPU shouldn't change anything, either way it seems that the original robot personality is no longer in those bodies. The originals may be in a crate like the one you see in your second linked page, or in a vault like the prison Robot got sent to. You've got it backwards. The robots original AI is what protects the court. The Court removes that chip to create gaps in the shield and also to make those funky bots with the green head chip we've seen previously.
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Raposa posted:You've got it backwards. The robots original AI is what protects the court. The Court removes that chip to create gaps in the shield and also to make those funky bots with the green head chip we've seen previously. The text says "When they override the robots they take out their CPUs and replace them with rudimentary AI! It basically turns them into Zombies!" It seems that they take out the CPU with the personality, put in a the rudimentary AI CPU, and they're creating the shield. Their personality is removed as step one, it seems. Removing the rudimentary CPU would leave them with zero CPUs, drop the shield, and leave the robots' bodies as just shells for whichever chip gets put back in.
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IUG posted:The text says "When they override the robots they take out their CPUs and replace them with rudimentary AI! It basically turns them into Zombies!" The shield happened before the court started replacing any chips. It just occurred automatically when Loup first attacked. It's also possible that they ended up not overriding the robots they took the chips out of just now, and ended up putting the original chips back after all the elves made it through (otherwise there would still be a hole in the shield and I don't think the court would be happy with that).
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I'm all "how do you not know this", but them I realized that I only know it because I read that chapter this morning. Was it ever revealed who programed the robots to project the shield?
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Uthor posted:I'm all "how do you not know this", but them I realized that I only know it because I read that chapter this morning. Not yet but it being another Deigo thing that's carried through to the modern era would be my bet e: Ah, rereading the chapter I forgot that the shielding was specifically something from Anja's research so this programming is very recent. Can't be Diego then https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1991
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Toraen posted:The shield happened before the court started replacing any chips. It just occurred automatically when Loup first attacked. It's also possible that they ended up not overriding the robots they took the chips out of just now, and ended up putting the original chips back after all the elves made it through (otherwise there would still be a hole in the shield and I don't think the court would be happy with that). Ah, I missed that the robots did it without installation of the chip. I assumed it happened as a result of Loup's attack, I forgot it happened right away. Then I have no idea where or when the rudimentary CPU chips were installed. EDIT: And now I'm reading the comic again from that point, haha. IUG fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Ah, this page clears it up. The court override CPUs aren't just placed in the same slot, it overtakes the whole top of their head: https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2074
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I feel for Paz, but man this has the potential to blow back on her so badly. At least from watching something sorta like this in real life, if this "talk" somehow gets back to the other partner the relationship could easily instantly be over. In my experience the obsessed partner reacts with utter fury. Drunk Theory fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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This is very good writing, but man Paz is making a disastrous mistake. Saying Annie is in the wrong for not noticing how worried Kat is? Such a bad move. I mean, Kat is actively concealing that from the Annies.
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Wittgen posted:This is very good writing, but man Paz is making a disastrous mistake. Saying Annie is in the wrong for not noticing how worried Kat is? Such a bad move. I mean, Kat is actively concealing that from the Annies. There's also the fact that the Annies can't read minds.
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Annie(s) clearly knew something was wrong with Kat in the first part of the chapter, but they don't have the same first hand insight into her overall habits and mood that Paz has.
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Time for an unproductive intervention! And then hopefully another equally unproductive tear in the fabric of reality!
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K, I finished reading the latest book, decided to keep rereading the story online, and came upon this relevant age. https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2098 https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2115 https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2116 Uthor fucked around with this message at 10:56 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Since I reread from basically Annie coming back from the forest last night, I also found this page that shows that Kat really is breaking under the surface, and doesn't really trust the Annies. She even has some Zimmy eyes going. It's right after she was told that both Annies don't belong there. https://www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=2167
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