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I don't get why people freak out about everything that Microsoft does that makes things less lovely. They are pushing the xbox to be a PC like experience without the hassle of dealing with drivers and figuring out what settings work best for your PC. If you can't afford to buy the latest thing, you can still play new games at lower settings. If you want the best graphics, you buy the best thing. It's not like targeting a game at multiple hardware configurations is a completely new concept. It's easier to target 3 levels of xbox than the nearly infinite combinations of parts that exist in the PC market.
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Cojawfee posted:I don't get why people freak out about everything that Microsoft does that makes things less lovely. They are pushing the xbox to be a PC like experience without the hassle of dealing with drivers and figuring out what settings work best for your PC. If you can't afford to buy the latest thing, you can still play new games at lower settings. If you want the best graphics, you buy the best thing. It's not like targeting a game at multiple hardware configurations is a completely new concept. It's easier to target 3 levels of xbox than the nearly infinite combinations of parts that exist in the PC market. To be clear I think it's great, and I enjoy a lot of the moves Microsoft has made to make it easier for me to play games where and on what device I want without rebuying it a million times (ahem Nintendo) I'm just worried that games won't be as good as they could be being developed -only- for series x. Not just in terms of graphics but physics systems, game ai, amount of poo poo on screen at a time etc.. Like on PC there comes a point when you either have to upgrade or build a new system to continue playing any current games. Not just game is shinier with more resolution on the most expensive hardware kind of thing.
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Jan 10, 2020 20:21
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That could just be what "not yet" means. It will probably take a while before someone is able to make a game that is capable taking full advantage of the hardware. Even then, it will probably be the same as what has been happening on the PC for years. If you have a system capable of doing PhysX, you can turn that on. If your computer can do RTX, then you can turn that on. If you have extra CPU cores, you can turn on spacial audio. But it isn't vital to the game and you can play it on lower end hardware. There are probably gameplay elements you can do that would need ray tracing to do nicely, but you could probably hack it with a camera or something.
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Jan 10, 2020 20:25
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Intel&Sebastian posted:lmfao rip xbox
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Jan 10, 2020 20:30
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I mean I don't sell Xboxes so I don't care but Personally if I had just suffered through a console that was historically bad when it comes to exclusives the last thing I would want to force onto devs would be 4 different consoles to target at the same time. And it also sounds like a very bad idea to follow a generation where you lost a bunch of ground with a new gen "which one should I buy?" shootout where the sales experience is going to be a parent getting a half hour explanation of how each xbox is different, and how there's gonna be a more powerful one soon so maybe wait, followed by "....or you could just buy a PS5, which is the next playstation" As much as I personally hate it as a concept I don't think people would say no to iPhone-esque fuzzy generation borders and "pro" consoles in a vacuum, or if both companies were going for it. But doing all this reeks of yet another 2013 E3 where Microsoft is getting too cute with a bunch of poo poo that is not "Here's a great game that you already love, that looks loving amazing, and you can only play it on this console", when it's very likely that Sony will be doing just that a bunch of times over. When you're playing from behind you need to take big shots and I just don't think doing two tiers of Pro/X out of the gate is gonna excite people.
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Jan 10, 2020 20:32
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They said everything would work on the og xbox one too but there are definitely some games that really shouldn't be played on one due to horrible frame rate etc
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Jan 10, 2020 20:33
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BrownieVK posted:What's the point of the Series X then? At what point do we get where making games run on the lowest common denominator adversely effects the game? Theres no point except to soak bleeding edge tech adopters that buy everything. 3rd parties will target a more popular sku and just up the resolution for the sx like they do now. Nobody but ms will come close to reaching the full potential of the console and ms will only try every so often as we see with xb1x, for every forza looking game theres a crackdown
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Jan 10, 2020 20:38
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Real hurthling! posted:Theres no point except to soak bleeding edge tech adopters that buy everything. It's the sort of move they should make in an alternate universe where Halo is still a console-pushing tentpole that's bigger than any 3rd party game and you've got a competent dev team on it who can make a big crazy graphics spectacle that will make everyone want the premium console but lol it's still 343, the company that sunk Halo. congrats to the Forza fans who don't have quuuuuuuite enough money for a high end PC set up though, you'll be well served Intel&Sebastian fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 20:54
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Cojawfee posted:I don't get why people freak out about everything that Microsoft does that makes things less lovely. They are pushing the xbox to be a PC like experience without the hassle of dealing with drivers and figuring out what settings work best for your PC. If you can't afford to buy the latest thing, you can still play new games at lower settings. If you want the best graphics, you buy the best thing. It's not like targeting a game at multiple hardware configurations is a completely new concept. It's easier to target 3 levels of xbox than the nearly infinite combinations of parts that exist in the PC market. you dont target infinity combinations of parts on pc though, you target an API. maybe you do directx and opengl, or directx and vulkan. most dont and just do directx and call it good. and its also a lot less hassle than a console port which is by requirement actually targetting physical hardware. if we assume ps5 has a similar cpu to the two new xbox skus next gen is working with cpu cores that push maybe 3.5ghz vs base level ps4 and xbox one which are 1.6-7ghz and you now have to make sure that your game still targets that and can run on it. early gen for third parties they do that anyway but saying its required all generation will effect how games are made, or, if xbox sales dont suddenly revive, maybe xbox doesnt get some games if theyre required to work across the board on four (xbox one base, one x, series x, whatever the baseline "series" one is) seperate pieces of hardware.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:02
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This is all moot if sony figures out backwards compatibility at least one gen backwards.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:14
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Intel&Sebastian posted:This is all moot if sony figures out backwards compatibility at least one gen backwards. ps5 is already confirmed bc with ps4
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Jan 10, 2020 21:24
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Lets be honest, games have sucked in general for a long time. Not like some new hardware or system exclusivity is going to somehow fix that.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:25
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BonoMan posted:Lets be honest, games have sucked in general for a long time. Not like some new hardware or system exclusivity is going to somehow fix that. wild to say this when 2017 alone is one of the best years of games in all of history lmao
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Jan 10, 2020 21:29
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Sell me the most Xboxy Xbox to play MSFS 2020 through game pass on my TV in 4k. Also, please make an Xbox that is fast enough to run the loving dashboard.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:35
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FunOne posted:Sell me the most Xboxy Xbox to play MSFS 2020 through game pass on my TV in 4k. My god yes, if they improve anything next gen please let it be the dashboard. That poo poo is the worst!
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Jan 10, 2020 21:38
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That's the one thing Nintendo got right this gen and everyone always complains and asks them to gently caress it up with folders and themes and poo poo.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:42
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American McGay posted:That's the one thing Nintendo got right this gen and everyone always complains and asks them to gently caress it up with folders and themes and poo poo. Every time I see a homepage "redesign" I want to die.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:43
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American McGay posted:That's the one thing Nintendo got right this gen and everyone always complains and asks them to gently caress it up with folders and themes and poo poo. God people are such morons about the Switch dash. It's so good.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:43
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Stux posted:ps5 is already confirmed bc with ps4 lol ok we're done here, everyone who bought a PS4 is gonna get a PS5.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:44
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American McGay posted:That's the one thing Nintendo got right this gen and everyone always complains and asks them to gently caress it up with folders and themes and poo poo. The 3DS had folders and themes, and it ran well enough. Xbox's dashboard is heavily bogged down by processing info and ads from the internet.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:45
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Intel&Sebastian posted:lol ok we're done here, everyone who bought a PS4 is gonna get a PS5. https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status/1215697003516190723 (The PS5 has no games)
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Jan 10, 2020 21:47
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FunOne posted:Sell me the most Xboxy Xbox to play MSFS 2020 through game pass on my TV in 4k. The X runs the dash fast. Unfortunately it's horribly designed. Like holy poo poo. It's soooo bad. I mean is it just me or is the content hierarchy just... nonexistant? It's not like you can't operate but there's zero well thought out content compartmentalization. Absolutely nothing feels natural. 6 months in and I always have to think for a second about "ok how do I get to my games again?"
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Jan 10, 2020 21:47
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Prepare for history to repeat itself and for only the most gamer gamers to get new consoles in the first two years anyways
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Jan 10, 2020 21:48
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ethanol posted:Prepare for history to repeat itself and for only the most gamer gamers to get new consoles in the first two years anyways The only console I've bought on release was the PS4, and it acted pretty much as a Netflix-box for several months until more games were released.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:49
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BonoMan posted:Lets be honest, games have sucked in general for a long time. Hmm, disagree
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Jan 10, 2020 21:53
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ethanol posted:Prepare for history to repeat itself and for only the most gamer gamers to get new consoles in the first two years anyways yeah I didn't get a ps4 until the GTAV re-release came out, and I didn't get a xbone until it was like 200 dollars and came with Madden and I still regret it lol.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:59
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lot of kids getting PS4s for christmas this year after everyone trades theirs in for a PS5
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Jan 10, 2020 22:00
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one of my greatest joys this generation was watching my xbox-fan wife realize that now when she hears "hit x" she goes for the bottom button and not the one on the left 
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Jan 10, 2020 22:03
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the best os was the xmb and this is so true that retroarch just straight up uses it
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Jan 10, 2020 22:07
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I completely disagree that the X runs the dash fast. It runs it faster, but it still has loading stutters and other laggy bullshit. Gotta get those promos from the internet!
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Jan 10, 2020 22:10
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FunOne posted:Sell me the most Xboxy Xbox to play MSFS 2020 through game pass on my TV in 4k. Same. I cannot wait.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:10
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FunOne posted:I completely disagree that the X runs the dash fast. It runs it faster, but it still has loading stutters and other laggy bullshit. Gotta get those promos from the internet! I rarely access anything other than my recent games list so who knwos
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Jan 10, 2020 22:11
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gonna be playing msfs 2020 on my pc in VR or if that sucks good old trackir I'm curious if having the xbox version will make using a controller workable though, that could be cool for introducing more people to flight sim.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:13
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Most of my dash issues are from the initial load and I thought they were due to a lot of stuff installed having to go through update checks or something. When I got the x it was extremely snappy for a while but as I installed more and more games it got sluggish, but when I quit out of a game it's usually perfectly fine.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:14
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Games list and sharing media tab runs buttery smooth for me but when I have to load the store page to buy/download a game it's like a slideshow. Luckily you can queue up downloads from the online store now so you can avoid most of that headache.
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Jan 10, 2020 22:14
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The PS4 dash is also woeful. God forbid you go to the video/tv menu
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Jan 10, 2020 22:15
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Quantum of Phallus posted:The PS4 dash is also woeful. God forbid you go to the video/tv menu God forbid I try and do anything in the dash with mhw running on the stock hdd of my pro. Lag city
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Jan 10, 2020 22:18
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Quantum of Phallus posted:The PS4 dash is also woeful. God forbid you go to the video/tv menu What? you don't want to know 30 different things that are now available to buy on video services you don't use just to get to one you do use?
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Jan 10, 2020 22:51
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The PS3 has had an unhideable ad for Singstar for like five years. 
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BonoMan posted:The X runs the dash fast. Unfortunately it's horribly designed. Like holy poo poo. It's soooo bad. I mean is it just me or is the content hierarchy just... nonexistant? It's not like you can't operate but there's zero well thought out content compartmentalization. Absolutely nothing feels natural. 6 months in and I always have to think for a second about "ok how do I get to my games again?" Pro tip: set your games to groups and put them on the home page. Then you just press down on the dpad. No lag, super quick. Rest of the ui is a mess, especially going through the layers of the ms store.
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