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LOL obviously the russians had a backdoor into their fire control system and Putin decided to spice things up with a little bit of murder. e: Really though you're right it seems absolutely insane to willingly fire on a jet airliner but it's hard to finish that sentence without "1988" flashing in bold letters in my mind.
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I'm trying not to think all tinfoil hatty like that...but man would it ever be just like trump; "Mr president, we have secured a backdoor attack into the Iranian air defense network. We can take control of their launchers at any time". "GOOD SHOOT DOWN A PLANE AND WE CAN BLAME IRAN FOR IT *snifffffff*" There's no way, right?
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MA-Horus posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the sequence of events in that missile launch. I think it may be more like: You get woken up by a panicked phone call from your superior, telling you to get the equipment ready for combat. No one knows what's going on, or if Tehran is being attacked. No one tells you about the retaliation, separate branch of the military even. If war has started, surely the commercial flights would be halted, right? You know the Americans will smoke you if you turn the radar on, but you hear jets somewhere. Probably the first round of Tomahawks. How about a snap shot, show you did something? You can empty your launchers and go somewhere safe while the initial strikes are raining down.
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MA-Horus posted:I'm trying to wrap my head around the sequence of events in that missile launch. If you think that’s bad, wait til you hear about the USS Vincennes. Makes the more recent shootdown seem downright understandable by comparison.
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hobbesmaster posted:I don't see the impass, just pay the US $0 and they'll leave, right? No I think the implication here is that bad things will happen if we leave.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/politics/russian-warship-us-aircraft-carrier-video/index.html Russian vessel being Russian in the Arabian sea. E: the twit about it https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1215662299761037316?s=19
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Fister Roboto posted:No I think the implication here is that bad things will happen if we leave. Wait a minute, are you telling me that our good (great) President who likes to pretend he's a mob boss would do something like that. Perish the thought Edit: CRUSTY MINGE posted:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/politics/russian-warship-us-aircraft-carrier-video/index.html Rude of the Russians to tailgate our destroyer Nick Soapdish fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/...ingawful.com%2F
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Ben Norton is another one of those tankie twits like Rania Khalek or Max Blumenthal who actually believe that Soleimani was some committed anti-imperialist.
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Jan 10, 2020 17:25
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Ben Norton is another one of those tankie twits like Rania Khalek or Max Blumenthal who actually believe that Soleimani was some committed anti-imperialist. Yeah the assassination was not a good thing but Ben Norton is a real sick little freak.
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mlmp08 posted:If you think that’s bad, wait til you hear about the USS Vincennes. Makes the more recent shootdown seem downright understandable by comparison. No I know about the Vincennes shootdown, dumb as poo poo. This is even dumber and I just don't get it. SAM launchers usually work in a networked configuration with a command vehicle. Was this one standalone? There's so many questions I want answered.
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pantslesswithwolves posted:Ben Norton is another one of those tankie twits like Rania Khalek or Max Blumenthal who actually believe that Soleimani was some committed anti-imperialist. Second option bias is a hell of a drug.
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Current event: Vikings are playing at the 49rs tomorrow, and goddamnit I'm going to get as blitzed as our offensive line will. Skol!
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MA-Horus posted:No I know about the Vincennes shootdown, dumb as poo poo. This is even dumber and I just don't get it. SAM launchers usually work in a networked configuration with a command vehicle. Was this one standalone? There's so many questions I want answered. Yeah, the suspicion is that it wasn't networked. Rogoway has a really good article on all the factors that could have potentially contributed to the accident. https://twitter.com/Aviation_Intel/status/1215481735804153856?s=19 quote:More importantly, we don't know exactly how deeply intertwined the Tor-M1 units are with Iran's greater integrated air defense system (IADS). In other words, the degree to which a Tor-M1 battery was operating independently of a greater aerial surveillance and command and control architecture is unknown, but it is a key factor that could have contributed to making such a mistake. I would bet that this system was operating without the benefit of any deep integration with a large IADS, which makes some sense when you think about its primary road-mobile, infantry-guarding mission set.
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You guys are overthinking this, it's Obama's/the squad/impeachment dem's fault
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Vaccinate your loving children https://twitter.com/aseitzwald/status/1215689022510698496?s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 18:37
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https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1215685255430057984?s=20 Just normal stuff.
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mlmp08 posted:If you think that’s bad, wait til you hear about the USS Vincennes. Makes the more recent shootdown seem downright understandable by comparison.  This would be orders of magnitude worse than the flight 655 incident.
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mlmp08 posted:If you think that’s bad, wait til you hear about the USS Vincennes. Makes the more recent shootdown seem downright understandable by comparison. Our ships can't even stop running into literally every at sea now so I dunno
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Bellingcat is very good. https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1215705500563595265?s=19 Whole thing's worth a read really, it's not just governments that say Iran shot down that passenger plane.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/10/politics/russian-warship-us-aircraft-carrier-video/index.html Man, that US crew was so terrified of this blatant show of force that crewmen were casually waltzing around the helipad as the Russian ship tailgated them.
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Jan 10, 2020 19:58
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Reminder the UNC system settled for $2.5m with these guys to have the statue removed without continuing fuss. (I know it says that in the article).
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MA-Horus posted:No I know about the Vincennes shootdown, dumb as poo poo. This is even dumber and I just don't get it. SAM launchers usually work in a networked configuration with a command vehicle. Was this one standalone? There's so many questions I want answered. No this was objectivley less dumb (still bad) but like infinitely less dumb than the Vincennes shootdown.
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That Works posted:Reminder the UNC system settled for $2.5m with these guys to have the statue removed without continuing fuss. In an agreement settled on before the lawsuit was even filed. They were sued and settled in a day.
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mlmp08 posted:No this was objectivley less dumb (still bad) but like infinitely less dumb than the Vincennes shootdown. Do you have anything to justify this volcanicly hot take?
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Madurai posted:It's way past time we had our bazillion airplane makers back. I look forward to seeing Vultee and Curtiss-made drones. *chanting* Grumman Grumman Grumman The company that designed the F-14 hud attitude indicator is truly the kind of out of the box, lateral (or rather, vertical) thinking the future needs.
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Jarmak posted:Do you have anything to justify this volcanicly hot take? A destroyer/cruiser with a fully manned CIC and commanded by an O-5/6 illegally entering Iranian waters and shooting a codes-broadcasting airliner is objectively loving dumber than some 2-4 man SHORAD crew screwing up. And their bodycount was higher to boot.
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facialimpediment posted:Bellingcat is very good. I mean, i see no reason to believe it wasn't a twitchy Iranian AA, but Bellingcat is funded by the US government. Crakkerjakk fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 21:27
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It's probably safe to assume Iran's military has a lot of decision making power at an unusually low level, right? Any planning on their part probably takes for granted that command and control and communications would be effectively shut down immediately if a shooting war broke out with the US.
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Crakkerjakk posted:I mean, i see no reason to believe it wasn't a twitchy Iranian AA, but Bellingcat is funded by the US government. You do know that brown moses is a goon and posts here, right? I mean it's been a while, but it's not like he's some extension of the cia.
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Mr. Nice! posted:it's not like he's some extension of the cia. According to Glenn Beck...
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Hey we’re not supposed to talk about code name sponsor here.
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RIP Neil Peart of Rush https://www.ctvnews.ca/entertainment/rush-drummer-neil-peart-dead-at-67-1.4762345
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Mr. Nice! posted:You do know that brown moses is a goon and posts here, right? I mean it's been a while, but it's not like he's some extension of the cia. There's a handful of people in DnD and I assume cspam that think he is. I'm not saying crackerjakk is one of them (or isn't) but they do exist.
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Crakkerjakk posted:I mean, i see no reason to believe it wasn't a twitchy Iranian AA, but Bellingcat is funded by the US government. One of the most disingenuous not-technically-a-lie-if-you-squint I've read in a while.
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joat mon posted:One of the most disingenuous not-technically-a-lie-if-you-squint I've read in a while.
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They’re funded in part by the National Endowment for Democracy, which itself gets a grant from Congress each year for democracy promotion. Bellingcat is not directly funded by the USG.
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If Iran is really insistent on going down the  path at this point they need to be asserting it was an American CIA team with a Stinger/Redeye and screaming false flag, not Baghdad Bobbing it up pretending a missile did not hit the plane since there's, you know, a video of a missile hitting the goddamn plane?Rookie mistake from a government that really should know better.
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