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Historically, it's China's turn to debt trap the pacific ocean island states
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Jan 10, 2020 09:28
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Kill All Cops posted:Historically, it's China's turn to debt trap the pacific ocean island states New York Times: Is China the World’s Loan Shark? quote:Some say Beijing lends money for infrastructure and development to pressure poor countries with debt. Not so.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:35
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I was referring to this one quote:The days unfold at a leisurely pace in Tonga, a South Pacific archipelago with no traffic lights or fast-food chains, and where snuffling pigs roam dusty roads.
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Jan 10, 2020 09:59
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CHINESE RUN BUSINESSES!!! 
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Jan 10, 2020 11:38
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Interesting choice not to highlight the part where the grace period was extended by five years.
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Jan 10, 2020 15:30
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Sure chattel slavery was bad, but have you heard of DEBT?
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Jan 10, 2020 15:48
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i once read a chinese light novel in which the protagonist was described as having dark skin, as he was a failed scholar from a poor family. but, as he empowered himself through daoist cultivation, his complexion lightened until he looked like this which is to say that no place is free of dumb stereotypes and superstitions, but "race" is a term of art in a specific ideology, known as racism, which posits an indelible genetic hierarchy which constitutes the decisive factor in history itself. it's not just thinking you have the best culture or that everyone in your neighboring country is a stupid barbarian. you can't concentrate your chi until you stop being black or indigenous in america's own mythology. multinational socialist states have historically set up autonomous regions, preserved native languages, and mandated participation on boards and committees proportionate to population demographics because unlike western empires they aren't founded on racism, although there's always a danger in sliding into ____ chauvinism where ____ is the most populous nationality or ethnicity (for instance, russian chauvinism towards the end of the soviet union's life (RIP))
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Jan 10, 2020 15:58
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Prince Myshkin posted:Interesting choice not to highlight the part where the grace period was extended by five years. wow five years! our tiny island nation will expunge that debt in no time!
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Jan 10, 2020 16:04
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Kill All Cops posted:wow five years! our tiny island nation will expunge that debt in no time! Especially since that extension happened only because they took on more debt
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Jan 10, 2020 16:27
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Atopian posted:Sure it is. As noted before, China seems to be an improvement over the US from Africa's perspective. That doesn't mean that what China is doing is good. Being better than the US is a low bar. However, from the fall of the USSR to the rise of China as an independent global economic power, US and Western partnership was the only option. Neoliberal economic reforms forced on global south countries wiped out social programs and shifted unthinkable amounts of wealth to the global north. That China is providing an alternative to that is good. It could be better, but it's not bad.
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Jan 10, 2020 16:51
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Whatever country that's actually helping Africa countries to build their own industries,not just pipeline/road to carry the resources out, is good to Africa for real. I seem to remember China was helping South Sudan building their own oil refinery, but a quick search couldn't find anything. So maybe I remember it wrong, maybe it's Ethiopia or something,
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Jan 10, 2020 17:13
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shrike82 posted:lol we don’t have to go that far from China to see Han racial supremacy causing trouble ie Xinjiang This thread has already thoroughly debunked western China concentration camps as racist I'm not sure why you keep bringing this up
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Jan 10, 2020 18:35
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Darkest Auer posted:Especially since that extension happened only because they took on more debt The article doesn't indicate the country has taken on new debt, just that it's joined the Belt and Road. The Chinese official dismisses the idea the two are linked, but even if they are there's nothing about an increased burden. Try reading stuff that's posted here.
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Jan 10, 2020 19:20
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Imagine being such a pent-up loving loser that you go scrounging for evidence of Chinese badness and all you can come up with is the government of Tonga agreeing on a loan from China after also considering Australia.
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Jan 10, 2020 20:04
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Frijolero posted:Imagine being such a pent-up loving loser that you go scrounging for evidence of Chinese badness and all you can come up with is the government of Tonga agreeing on a loan from China after also considering Australia. that’s Hong Kong localism in a nutshell: making poo poo up and distorting facts to suit their agenda
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Jan 10, 2020 20:13
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:that’s Hong Kong localism in a nutshell: making poo poo up and distorting facts to suit their agenda i dont know who you are trying to punch but thats a mirror
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Jan 10, 2020 21:07
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Kill All Cops posted:Historically, it's China's turn to debt trap the pacific ocean island states The very idea of "debt trap" is pretty racist tbh
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Jan 10, 2020 21:10
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SKULL.GIF posted:do not uncritically accept propaganda from the imperialist state that obsessively surveils its own citizens Good take.
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Jan 11, 2020 00:54
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https://twitter.com/SCMPNews/status/1215672900855980039?s=20
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Jan 11, 2020 01:31
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That's a good first step but pinkwashing is a very real thing and needs to be kept in mind when celebrating advertising victories that aren't being equally matched with social changes. We see it a lot in the US, so it's something worth keeping an eye on. Still, for a country that doesn't really have LGBT media visible this is a big deal.
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Jan 11, 2020 01:44
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remember when everyone said that Disney had a token gay kiss in Rise of Skywalker so it could be easily censored for China only for it to be censored in Singapore?
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Jan 11, 2020 01:49
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Grapplejack posted:That's a good first step but pinkwashing is a very real thing and needs to be kept in mind when celebrating advertising victories that aren't being equally matched with social changes. We see it a lot in the US, so it's something worth keeping an eye on. Still, for a country that doesn't really have LGBT media visible this is a big deal. https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1208111576898818058?s=20
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Jan 11, 2020 02:13
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This one was also big. https://twitter.com/seiqndsei/status/1161473978248105987
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Jan 11, 2020 02:30
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I gotta say, I came to this thread because I was afraid I had rose colored glasses about China. I came here to find sources of critisism I could trust. This thread has made me even more pro china.
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Jan 11, 2020 02:55
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Now, go over to the GBS thread. or VVVVV Dante80 has issued a correction as of 03:03 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Jan 11, 2020 02:59
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Dante80 posted:Now, go over to China.
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Jan 11, 2020 03:02
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China is cool sure, but have you considered that it's also good? Worthy of debate and discussion imo
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Jan 11, 2020 03:16
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Frijolero posted:China is cool sure, but have you considered that it's also good? Yeah I don't get the weird white guy assumption that people will hate it when they show up.
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Jan 11, 2020 03:33
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lol would have figured pevan would be anti white guys moving to China given all the tropes about them going after local women
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Jan 11, 2020 03:50
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China is a genuinely cool place to visit, and I find it a good place to live, but I see why many people wouldn't. Although after you visit you'll see why it's difficult to take aspects of both this thread and the GBS thread seriously. My main problems with China are that it's too authoritarian and too capitalist, but obviously that's a taste thing.
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Jan 11, 2020 04:38
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I'm really glad good and cool leftists who understands China's historic socialist mission in Africa can hang out here while the rest of Cspam had being nazified by mods like PPJ This is truely like a red army camp during the long march
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Jan 11, 2020 04:45
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Atopian posted:My main problems with China are that it's too authoritarian and too capitalist, but obviously that's a taste thing. But the US is more capitalist!
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Jan 11, 2020 04:48
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The GBS thread is insanely reactionary. They think the socdems of D&D are hardcore tankies.
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Jan 11, 2020 04:51
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Pevin mentioned this last time so we're just waiting for it to actually show up in discussions when the NPC meets in March or if they pull a US Dem and say that it didn't meet criteria to be considered important enough to rule on. Reznor posted:I gotta say, I came to this thread because I was afraid I had rose colored glasses about China. I came here to find sources of critisism I could trust. There aren't very many people in here that are anti-china tbh. A lot of the dissent ITT comes from them being either too authoritarian or too capitalist, and complaints from that end can come from all over the political spectrum. I assume most of the pro-china people here are Stalinists like R Guy was so they don't have an issue with either of those.
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Jan 11, 2020 04:56
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Mantis42 posted:The GBS thread is insanely reactionary. They think the socdems of D&D are hardcore tankies.
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Jan 11, 2020 05:17
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Mantis42 posted:The GBS thread is insanely reactionary. They think the socdems of D&D are hardcore tankies. 95% of the China tm posters post in all four threads, each having their own personality. This is a delicate balance, one thread getting too powerful brings distress to the system.
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Jan 11, 2020 05:22
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Four Threads, One China
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Jan 11, 2020 06:21
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Guy in the PYF Tankie thread is sincerely citing Frank Dikotter. On a completely unrelated note I'm figuring out which building in my neighborhood is the tallest and leaves its roof access unlocked.
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Jan 11, 2020 06:33
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CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:Yeah I don't get the weird white guy assumption that people will hate it when they show up. White people are starting to really internalize the idea of people hating them* when they show up. *white people
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Jan 11, 2020 06:33
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Prince Myshkin posted:Guy in the PYF Tankie thread is sincerely citing Frank Dikotter. Lmao
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Jan 11, 2020 09:02
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