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The US government does have a tendency to be a bit biased as concerns Iran, so I think we should wait until we have significant corroborating evidence of a missile strike. For example, a 737-800 in good condition exploding as if hit by a missile, in an area where missiles may have been armed to defend against airborne threats. I get being paranoid when it comes to the US government and media, but suspecting something other than an accidentally-fired Iranian missile is getting into bizarre conspiracy territory. Doubly so as Iran seems strangely motivated to clear the crash site before an independent investigation can be completed.
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Davin Valkri posted:Out of genuine curiosity, who would then certify planes from Bombadier, Embraer, Ilyushin, Comac, and other non-US, non-European manufacturers? Yes, that is an interesting question and not as clear as with Airbus and Boeing, but the most important thing is that the certification isn't done by the same nation as designed the plane. Canada could be a good choice for Embraer, as sort of the biggest competitor. Maybe the regulator which receives the most votes or "trusts" from other regulating bodies.
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Maybe there should just be an aircraft certification organization run by the UN or something
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Sagebrush posted:Maybe there should just be an aircraft certification organization run by the UN or something No one (the EU and the US included) are willing to cede their regulatory authority to a universal international body. Probably a good move, since it would be just as corrupt as the current model, if not even more so. Boeing should be held responsible for their transgressions, and the FAA inspectors that allowed subpar design work to slip through should be held accountable as well. Attempting to bypass regulation should always be punished. After all of that unpleasantness is done though, if the regulatory standards encourage workarounds in order to reduce costs, maybe redesign the regulations to favor safe and compliant new designs instead of bandaids over sixty year old systems. This is not a time to stonewall and bring the regulatory hammer down on everything that moves. Now is a time to learn from this incident and make an inherently safer system.
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I thought this was pretty good vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH_m_07_CuQ Same thing but with a 360 view https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU5jWKxIicc
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MrYenko posted:No one (the EU and the US included) are willing to cede their regulatory authority to a universal international body. Probably a good move, since it would be just as corrupt as the current model, if not even more so. The problem here is the FAA letting Boeing self certify their designs, the regulatory framework around airplanes has been proven to make air travel the safest from of transport in the world. Adequately fund the FAA and don't staff with execs fresh from the companies they're supposed to be regulating and crap like this is a lot less likely to happen.
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rscott posted:The problem here is the FAA letting Boeing self certify their designs, the regulatory framework around airplanes has been proven to make air travel the safest from of transport in the world. Adequately fund the FAA and don't staff with execs fresh from the companies they're supposed to be regulating and crap like this is a lot less likely to happen. Stuff like this always reminds me of the excelent "The storm before the storm" by Mike Duncan. To paraphrase: the things that brought down the republic were obvious and acknowleged and avoidable if the wealthy had only had the courage to put aside their own self interest even a little bit.
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Well at least he won't be getting severance: https://twitter.com/business/status/1215778618883833856?s=20
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Jeez Boeing must be in real strife to deny severance, CEO's don't like companies that do that.
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Hey Boeing, hire me as CEO and I will 1) not kill hundreds of people and 2) only cost you seventy‐nine million dollars. PM me to discuss travel arrangements.
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Platystemon posted:Hey Boeing, hire me as CEO and I will 1) not kill hundreds of people and 2) only cost you seventy‐nine million dollars. I can make no promises on the killing hundreds of people, but I guarantee that I will be in and out the door for seventy-eight million dollars. Standing by for your call, Boeing.
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I’ll do it for 69 million. 
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The only instance where Boeing’s failure to deploy a parachute can actually be considered a mission success.
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I the tradition of black thread titles, Aeronautical Insanity: MCAS Saves the Day
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I guess golden parachutes can be faulty and still ensure those underneath them land on their feet. Yeah, a pile of corpses makes for a pretty soft landing.
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The last time I took at shot at Mach 2.8, I got MCASed.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Yeah, a pile of corpses makes for a pretty soft landing.    
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So, that’s that then. https://twitter.com/cochranecbc/status/1215844416964919297?s=21 Honestly I’m sort of glad they actually took responsibility, pretending they didn’t do it would’ve been worse.
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PT6A posted:So, that’s that then. Oh, I don't know. Most nations thst have shot down an airliner said "did not" until everyone was tired of it and got off scott free.
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poo poo. This is a way longer list than I expected: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents
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Jonny Nox posted:poo poo. This is a way longer list than I expected: quote:Eighteen of the 56 passengers of the Vickers Viscount survived the crash, but 10 of the survivors were massacred by the guerrillas at the crash site. 
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Ok after the 3rd bounce why not firewall the throttles and attempt a go-around? (The answer is a variant of target fixation I guess)
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Jonny Nox posted:Ok after the 3rd bounce why not firewall the throttles and attempt a go-around? That, or just got brain locked. One of the many reasons tailwheel training should be mandatory, you can directly make this condition happen as an instructor, to make sure the student can handle it. With a tricycle, you can't without begging for firewall damage. So unless it happens accidentally with an instructor, any notion of the proper response is academic, and the student's first time will be on their own. vessbot fucked around with this message at 06:26 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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People hosed up in an extremely tense situation. It sucks and shouldn’t have happened, but its not the first time and it won’t be the last. At least Iran only denied it for a little bit in the face of overwhelming evidence and then said “yeah we messed up”. As opposed to denying it forever in the face of overwhelming evidence like most governments do. Or giving medals to the people responsible for the shootdown.
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Gervasius posted:New thread title right here. Shorten it to Aeronautical Insanity: Designed by clowns, supervised by monkeys
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I initially read this as gorillas and was like holy poo poo.
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The Real Amethyst posted:I initially read this as gorillas and was like holy poo poo. I've been careful to make that distinction ever since Captain Ron. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyG0G96UB6k
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dexter6 posted:Any landing you can walk away from any landing you walk away from *on the main gear*
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