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oxsnard posted:This vox piece was good re: black voters Elderly black democrats tend to align closely with elderly white democrats in their support. It's almost like both groups have their perception of electability shaped by the same sources: the media and the democratic party machine. It would be nice if journalists actually examined this instead of defaulting to the most reductive explanation possible.
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Bloomberg is gonna go all in trying to snag NY. Not even necessarily in the primary but in the general. It has no sore loser law. If Bernie gains EVs from trump but bloomy just barely snatches my it's a congressional vote for president. Bloomy goes all in on don't vote for the commie. Shooting starts.
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Nobody in New York likes Mike Bloomberg. Even in his own fever dream scenario where he runs for president as a third party against Trump and Sanders and Texas somehow becomes a toss-up state, his consultants don't predict him winning NY.
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holy loving poo poo i can't loving wait to loving vote for loving BERNIE SANDERS
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Jan 11, 2020 12:42
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The list of purchasers for this monstrosity will come in handy when the Bernard deathsquads are doing their first roundups (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 11, 2020 12:51
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Chasten is not a goddamn name.
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Jan 11, 2020 12:51
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Groovelord Neato posted:Chasten is not a goddamn name.
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it looks like a buttplug
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Jan 11, 2020 14:47
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Pete Buttigieg reddit reacts to latest pollquote:this is the best possible news, if it showed us at 30 right now that would be counter to the motivating force required to pull this thing home
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Jan 11, 2020 14:55
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This was 10000% commissioned by Butts at great expense. This is as cringe inducing as that Mayo Pete get happy dance, or the Hamilton with Chasten event that somehow resulted with Pete taking a posed photo in a holocaust monument.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:03
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Has Pete ever done the dance? Will his supporters ever realize how much disdain Pete has for them?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:15
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More importantly, has Pete seen the time knife?
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Jan 11, 2020 17:26
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This coming debate should be good. Bernie's been telegraphing some Biden attacks Warren will probably keep up the heat on Pete Biden and Pete are going to try and drag Bernie down somehow, though I don't really know how'd they'd do it Klobuchar will do something pathetic Steyer will be forgettable
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Built 4 Cuban Linux posted:This coming debate should be good. I think Biden will just try to ignore Bernie. There's not really a safe angle where he has some sort of moral high ground to hit Bernie from, so his best move is gonna be to ignore any provocations and make a positive case for himself as the "electable" candidate. I could see Pete trying to bring up that investigation of Jane (don't even remember what that was about, something about a college or real estate or something?) or the letter, but Bernie will be able to brush those off. We know from Peter "I'm Woke Now" Daou that the oppo file on Bernie is pretty thin so there's not likely to be some bombshell they can throw. And of course if Pete is forced to fend off Warren and Klob like at the last debate he won't really have a chance to hit at Bernie at all absent some moderator prompting.
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Jan 11, 2020 17:56
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Another one for the "People choose candidates for the dumbest reasons" file: https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1216037353426321410 https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1216042068868464641
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Jan 11, 2020 18:09
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tbf Bloomberg is actually insanely rich, unlike Trump. It's still a dumb as hell argument
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Jan 11, 2020 18:24
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Paracaidas posted:Another one for the "People choose candidates for the dumbest reasons" file: Voters are dumb
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Jan 11, 2020 18:29
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oxsnard posted:tbf Bloomberg is actually insanely rich, unlike Trump. Bloomberg has also actually held political office before. Of course his tenure left him despised by his constituency, so that's not a great argument either. Steyer and Bloomberg are both pissing away millions to get 5% on voting day and exactly zero delegates. It's really hard to imagine the sort of person who actually shows up excited for Bloomberg as president, or see his dumb ad on tv or Hulu and goes "oh good, ACCESS to healthcare! Finally the words I was waiting to hear!" and turns out ready to fight and caucus for him.
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Paracaidas posted:Another one for the "People choose candidates for the dumbest reasons" file: When your hearing aid broke and your big takeaway from the conversation was vote jew no matter who.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:33
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Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? I hear a lot of congresspeople are super nervous about Bernie causing a Republican landslide in the house and senate.
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? Why would there be any truth to anything that congresspeople say?
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? Obama and Clinton being at the top of the ballot caused over 10,000 losses nationwide for the democrats, I doubt Bernie could do worse.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:49
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? They're worried about getting primaried, not losing to Republicans.
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Jan 11, 2020 18:53
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Unironically, this article is better political analysis than anything CNN has ever done https://twitter.com/HardDriveMag/status/1216050850419953664?s=20
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Jan 11, 2020 18:59
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? They're trying to convince people he'll lose and that his loss will have a cascading effect down ticket. It's an attack on his electability which is the only thing holding him back in polls with (older) voters.
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Jan 11, 2020 19:08
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Kraftwerk posted:Is there any truth to Dems potentially losing a lot of house seats if Bernie is at the top of the ticket? It's all true. They'll lose a lot of seats to the new leftist party headed by AOC.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Bloomberg has also actually held political office before. Of course his tenure left him despised by his constituency, so that's not a great argument either. I'm no fan of Steyer, but he absolutely will rally around candidate Sanders. Bloomberg is much more likely to pull strings behind the scenes
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Jan 11, 2020 19:15
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Gripweed posted:Unironically, this article is better political analysis than anything CNN has ever done Thankfully fight is already selected.
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Gripweed posted:Unironically, this article is better political analysis than anything CNN has ever done They miscast Trump as Fire, when they should have gone with Steel, which takes reduced damage from Normal and is weak against Fighting. Plus that would open the opportunity for jokes about tariffs and steel/steal for election fraud. Poison would probably be more accurate, but it doesn't line up well with the core gag. Edit: Also, if Trump was Fire type, a Water type like Rubio would have crushed him in 2016. Thoom fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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oxsnard posted:tbf Bloomberg is actually insanely rich, unlike Trump. Trump is also obscenely wealthy
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Terror Sweat posted:Trump is also obscenely wealthy His net worth is probably negative, as he needs to keep debt payments up to not default. It's a very different situation from Bloomberg
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oxsnard posted:His net worth is probably negative, as he needs to keep debt payments up to not default. It's a very different situation from Bloomberg This reminds me of when Bernie got 4 Pinocchio’s for saying the 1% have more wealth than the bottom 50, and Glen Kessler said “uhh they actually have negative net wealth, so it’s a bad comparison “ Trump is extremely rich. Richer than Steyer. Bloomberg is much richer than both.
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oxsnard posted:His net worth is probably negative, as he needs to keep debt payments up to not default. It's a very different situation from Bloomberg Yes, but Trump appears wealthy. That is, he maintains an illusion of wealth. Reality is demonstrably less important than appearances.
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oxsnard posted:His net worth is probably negative, as he needs to keep debt payments up to not default. It's a very different situation from Bloomberg This is meaningless, because someone with Trump's assets and reputation effectively has access to almost infinite loans.
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oxsnard posted:His net worth is probably negative, as he needs to keep debt payments up to not default. It's a very different situation from Bloomberg Oh my god he has so much money he's caused a stack overflow. The last few years make a bit more sense now.
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Ytlaya posted:This is meaningless, because someone with Trump's assets and reputation effectively has access to almost infinite loans. Yeah net worth doesn't matter. If you control millions or billions in assets you are wealthy. Control is what matters.
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The "he's not really a billionaire" is probably the dumbest talking point ever employed against Trump.
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I mean, he's obviously ~rich~ and part of the capitalist class, but his situation is such that he's extremely susceptible to compromising situations. It's not even close to being the same as Bloomberg, that's all I'm saying. Bloomberg is a horrible candidate for many reasons, but it's totally different from trump
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One big way Trump and Bloomberg are different is that Bloomberg is inside what has traditionally been called "The Elite" whereas Trump has always been excluded from those circles for a variety of reasons. And Streyer makes perfect sense if you think he is setting up for a california senate run. Hes wanted that for a long time. The plan was to outperform Kalama in the california primary to make his case. Kamala dropping out threw a bit of a wrench in that plan but he knows he will still get good Intel out of his primary.
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