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Iran Leadership says they intend to find out who made the bad calls to shoot it down and put them in front of a military tribunal. Though Ideally I would like the other affected countries to be involved as well.
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James Baud posted:Is "someone hosed up" that alien an idea? Circling back to this post to highlight my favorite entry of those I skimmed. Never heard of it before but I'm sure it was legendary in its day. 1801 – Battle of Algeciras Bay: Spanish ships Real Carlos and San Hermenegildo mistakenly engaged each other in the dark after a British ship sailed between them and fired at both. 1,700 were killed when the two ships exploded. (The British ship, the HMS Superb (1798) carried on its merry way, engaging and defeating a third ship later that night while taking minimal damage. Other articles say it didn't sail between the Spanish ships but did manage to hit both on the same barrage.)
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James Baud posted:1,700 were killed when the two ships exploded. I clearly have a very inaccurate concept of the size of these vessels
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infernal machines posted:I clearly have a very inaccurate concept of the size of these vessels They were Spanish first rate ships of the line, which are roughly the size of the HMS Victory at the time, for comparison. One that was fully crewed for battle would have a crew complement of 800-900 meaning that apparently both Spanish ships were lost with all hands
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Mind you while these ships were quite large the main reason for the large crew component was extremely efficient use of space, which was not coincidentally a significant reason why being in the navy generally sucked so loving hard that they had to kidnap people to crew their ships
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infernal machines posted:I clearly have a very inaccurate concept of the size of these vessels Age of Sail ships take a lot of crewmembers. First rate ships often had hundreds of crewmembers, and the Spanish built their ships almost comically huge. The Santisima Trinidad present at Trafalgar had a crew complement of nearly 1000 alone.
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Read your Patrick O'Brian novels, you whippersnappers.
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And/Or Bernard Cornwell Edit: is Trudeau just straight up demanding a weregild for the plane crash? Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Jan 11, 2020 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:And/Or Bernard Cornwell Only like 2 or three of the Sharpe books. Traflager(naturally) Devil and possibly Fury. Side note: reread the ones set in India recently and uh yikes.
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Prey as well when he burns down Copenhagen. Yeah I was reading Sharpe's Tiger recently and it is hard to make a story set in the British India where your white protagonist could be considered the hero. The Let's Read thread for Flashman made that abundantly clear but Harry is an rear end in a top hat and knows he's an rear end in a top hat
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Right. I mean Prey but crossed it over with Fury which is Barossa?
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Yeah Barossa was in Sharpe's Fury.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Prey as well when he burns down Copenhagen. I think the Sharpe novels are great because in general its pretty clear the British Empire aren't really the good guys and most of the people Sharpe fights in the French army or elsewhere all seem to be pretty decent individuals or belong to an organization that's clearly more meritocratic and would gladly welcome Sharpe in open arms and Sharpe has to constantly struggle with his identity and what he's fighting for the entire series until finally his "gently caress it I'm done" point where he retires to the French countryside. I don't know the term for it, but I feel like you could make a strong case that life is just putting your skills and talents to poor use glumly serving one arrogant rear end in a top hat after another and you have no idea why you put yourself through it.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I don't know the term for it, but I feel like you could make a strong case that life is just putting your skills and talents to poor use glumly serving one arrogant rear end in a top hat after another and you have no idea why you put yourself through it. You can die a wage slave or live long enough to die from being a Bohemian.
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Sharpe trying to sell his commission as a lieutenant and getting all pissy that he can't is enlisted as gently caress Can't sell something that you earn, after all.
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MA-Horus posted:Sharpe trying to sell his commission as a lieutenant and getting all pissy that he can't is enlisted as gently caress Stroke of luck for the british empire that he couldn't! Although ironically unlike a lot of techno thriller war novels Sharpe while arguably excessively and ahistorically important in the books on the outcome of the war, isn't actually critical to the war whose outcome was largely not in doubt. It's interesting that the british winning in those books wasn't because he saved the day single handedly, and in many cases like when he's in Denmark or in South America the British are just carrying on doing what they've always done and he's not all that important.
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Raenir Salazar posted:I somehow managed to never learn French despite being born and raised in Quebec. Same, bro. People get funny looks on their faces when I tell them my family is from an Anglo area of Quebec.
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Except I'm not from an anglo area; its a VERY french catholic area, it's just that I live too far from the town itself to interact with anyone who aren't immigrant retirees; but was driven/bussed to the Anglo area for school.
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Please be aware that the D&D rules have been updated
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Arcsquad12 posted:Age of Sail ships take a lot of crewmembers. First rate ships often had hundreds of crewmembers, and the Spanish built their ships almost comically huge. The Santisima Trinidad present at Trafalgar had a crew complement of nearly 1000 alone. I was generally aware they took a lot of crew, i was just off by an order of magnitude re: "a lot".
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Not the thread for it but I appreciate the updated rules. Thanks, Helsing!
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Good lord, Helsing is a cop?
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keep your taser away from me Helsing
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infernal machines posted:I was generally aware they took a lot of crew, i was just off by an order of magnitude re: "a lot". Well it can throw you for a loop. Big ships nowadays like aircraft carriers hold thousands of people but the majority of ships have smaller crews than during the age of sail. And even age of sail ships kind of pale in comparison to classical fleets, if only because antiquity naval fleet engagements were ungodly huge when you factor in the amount of rowers, sailors and full soldier complements aboard a Roman trireme. A trireme was about 120 feet long and carries nearly 500 men for. To compare to the Jack Aubrey novels, HMS Surprise is a little bit longer and has maybe half the crew. By some estimates one of the major naval battles in the first Punic War could be considered the largest fleet battle in history. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 09:26 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Fojar38 posted:Mind you while these ships were quite large the main reason for the large crew component was extremely efficient use of space, which was not coincidentally a significant reason why being in the navy generally sucked so loving hard that they had to kidnap people to crew their ships While the idea of naval service during the Napoleonic Wars is a terrible one today, it is worth noting that a lot of British Army officers at the same time were absolutely amazed at how light the discipline was in the RN as compared to the brutality they inflicted on their own men to keep them in line. Service in the RN wasn't quite as awful as it is often painted, particularly after the mutinies of 1797, which were also the first organized labour strikes in modern times. Fearless fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Just got an alert that there was AN INCIDENT at the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant and that I shouldn't panic or do anything at this time.
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Me too. What a way to wake up
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Power loss on a reactor down for maintenance. No concern. The alert was 100% overkill
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EngineerJoe posted:Me too. What a way to wake up Oh sure just rub it in my face that normal people don’t have jobs requiring them to be up at 5AM on Sunday morning 
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Martian Manfucker posted:Just got an alert that there was AN INCIDENT at the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant and that I shouldn't panic or do anything at this time. They just wanted to keep you in the loop, which is why they sent an emergency alert with the "presidential" priority at quarter after seven on a Sunday morning. I forget which group of clownshoes motherfuckers are responsible for the alert system in Ontario, but someone seriously needs to get them away from the button. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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infernal machines posted:I forget which group of clownshoes motherfuckers are responsible for the alert system in Ontario, but some serious needs to get them away from the button. The problem goes all the way to the top: CBC posted:A report by the CRTC said most wireless providers were in favour of an opt-out option or the ability to disable the alarm for some types of alerts, but consumers can't turn off the warnings. Different alert priorities? Don't need those. Geographic targeting? Why bother?
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It was really irresponsible to send out that warning. "Something happened but you don't need to do anything" is actually worse than useless because people will panic when they see the word "nuclear." Like you could send out a non-emergency text message saying "did you know that the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant is a nuclear power plant?" and people would still panic so maybe don't send out something for a non-issue on the "kiss your rear end goodbye" system. Who the gently caress is the idiot who decided that we only need maximum alert priority for this dumbass system tagesschau posted:Different alert priorities? Don't need those. "When you're getting those alerts, your life is at risk," Tanguy said. "So it's not there's potentially a danger, there is a danger, which is why you'll be getting one of these every time there's a custody battle in the same province. The breakdown of traditional marriage is an issue that harms us all." BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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BattleMaster posted:Like you could send out a non-emergency text message saying "did you know that the Pickering Nuclear Power Plant is a nuclear power plant?" and people would still panic so maybe don't send out something for a non-issue on the "kiss your rear end goodbye" system. In the U.S., weather alerts are targeted to specific areas (much smaller than an entire state) and sent at a lower level than "end of the world," and Amber alerts just go "ping" and can be opted out of. BattleMaster posted:Who the gently caress is the idiot who decided that we only need maximum alert priority for this dumbass system The same people who said that "[w]hen you're getting those alerts, your life is at risk," and who seem to be doing exactly nothing about this being completely false for 99% of alert recipients so far.
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The worst part is that they were sending out amber alerts on the normal system before they implemented the presidential alert system: (I remember that these didn't make the crazy sound and were blockable, which I quickly did because I would never notice that something is wrong with a given adult/child pair unless the adult was doing something alarming that would get me to call the cops even without the alert having been sent out) so at some point they specifically decided to get rid of that system and assblast everything out on the "nuclear warheads incoming; kiss your rear end goodbye" system BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 14:20 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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I'm pretty sure it's Not Invented Here syndrome at work. "We are Canadian and therefore we must do things differently from the Americans, which means it's inherently better."
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Charge your phone My best friend works for OPG; his reaction to all this is "someone is fired as gently caress and my Sunday is ruined."
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Apparently it was "sent in error" and nothing even happened. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/pickering-nuclear-generating-station-1.5424115
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 ...and nothing of value was lost. lmao. https://twitter.com/EnviroZach/status/1216346279736942592 This dipshit writes pearl clutching bullshit for NOW infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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