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Hellsau posted:The first match after I tuned in was RUG Urza vs BUG Urza. Think I've had enough of that. RUG Oko feat. Urza vs BUG Oko feat. Urza, more like.
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C-Euro posted:The guy on Niv in that match is a fellow supporter of ShaneB's podcast! Lawson grinds 5C Niv like crazy! He's a smart kid.
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MrBling posted:there is actual video coverage of a The only downside is that it's modern
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Jan 11, 2020 21:12
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ShaneB posted:Lawson grinds 5C Niv like crazy! He's a smart kid. I know I'm super jealous lol, gonna spend my whole Saturday afternoon cleaning instead of grinding reps online. To be young again...
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I watched a bit, with Gavin commentating. It was ok. SCG has like twice the viewership, which goes to show what a regular schedule will do for you. Also him explaining oko saying it went through tonnes of changes is even more damning of their process than I was expecting. It means you were constsntly evaluating it yet still ended up somewhere completely off the charts.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Also him explaining oko saying it went through tonnes of changes is even more damning of their process than I was expecting. It means you were constsntly evaluating it yet still ended up somewhere completely off the charts. This has got to be a lie. Even +2/+0, +1/+1, or +1/+0 on the first two abilities made it too weak? lmao
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Realistically, how many games do you think playtesting gets to do with any one card. 100 games? 1,000 games? How many games would you need to sit down with Oko, Elking your opponents permanents and just ignoring their game plans entirely, before you think “nah this isn’t good enough”?
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Also him explaining oko saying it went through tonnes of changes is even more damning of their process than I was expecting. It means you were constsntly evaluating it yet still ended up somewhere completely off the charts. Do you have a rough vod timestamp? No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:This has got to be a lie. Even +2/+0, +1/+1, or +1/+0 on the first two abilities made it too weak? lmao It went through tons of changes doesn't mean they're small iterative changes focused on getting the balance exactly right. What we've heard in the past is that it was far more about the stealing stuff ability and got a big change away from that at the end when they played with it and it was miserable. Not that they succeeded in making it any less miserable.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Do you have a rough vod timestamp? Sorry not really, it was in game two or three of the round 3 match of Bw devotion vs 'wet jund'.
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Jan 11, 2020 23:00
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It wasn't much beyond "there were lots of changes" https://clips.twitch.tv/GorgeousKindFalconAMPEnergy
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Bust Rodd posted:RUG Oko feat. Urza vs BUG Oko feat. Urza, more like. urza is stronger than oko (caveat: oko is better in vintage than urza, but have you seen the cards that are better in vintage than in every other format? poo poo's wild)
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the fact that Oko is actually not overwhelmingly busted in modern is proof of what bad shape the format is in. in a land of degenerate combo nonsense he doesn’t do much
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:I watched a bit, with Gavin commentating. It was ok. SCG has like twice the viewership, which goes to show what a regular schedule will do for you.
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Jan 11, 2020 23:44
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Screw oko, is there a timestamp for warp world the best world?
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ShaneB posted:Lawson grinds 5C Niv like crazy! He's a smart kid. Lawson Zandi?
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 We never talked about this when it came out in the complete spoiler, but I think it's pretty interesting. It's slow, but a 2 mana card with scry 2 draw 2 is a serious amount of dig and value. I don't know that we're in the right format for it, but there have been formats where I think it'd see play.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:
Imo its limited only. It gets blown out by targeted discard, does not play well with situational/reactive cards and telegraphing your next turn is a huge downside. Not to mention you get the cards on a two turn delay. Maybe theres a standard combo deck that wants to name opt with this and hope to hit a combo piece? Fair decks have plenty of better ways to generate card advantage though.
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It has the upside-downside of telling your opponent what you're going to be doing on the third tick of the saga, but that does allow for  outplays where you name a wrath that you don't have to make your opponent not commit into it and then just play a blocker instead
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:
The issue is that you telegraph your next turn and you need something proactive to name in the first place. And it takes forever to actually get that value. Then again naming opt mitigates that a lot. It could definitely see play but the instant speed draw x/counter might be good enough to displace it. I really like the design though, it has a push and pull in deck building between reactive/proactive, tempo vs value, etc. Plus all the mill going around disrupts the scry. And all these useless last chapters are basically to make them play better with devotion and doom foretold I guess? There's a ton going on in this card.
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born on a buy you posted:Lawson Zandi? Yes
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Reminder that if you go top-top with the Scry 2 from Chapter 1, you get to name a card you haven't even drawn yet.
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https://twitter.com/basicmountain/status/1216080581269737472?s=21 drat. Takes brass balls to put your families well being on the line to chase the gaming industry career. I would never have the courage.
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Speaking of DWD and Eternal in general, I wonder why Arena never implemented the asynchronous drafting that worked very well in that game instead of bots
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ungulateman posted:It has the upside-downside of telling your opponent what you're going to be doing on the third tick of the saga, but that does allow for
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Yawgmoth posted:Or name a counterspell and play your poo poo, just to dare your opponent into that value play. "this turn"
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Koirhor posted:Speaking of DWD and Eternal in general, I wonder why Arena never implemented the asynchronous drafting that worked very well in that game instead of bots The concept of wheeling was considered too important is my guess.
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Lone Goat posted:"this turn"
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Yawgmoth posted:So do you just not get how bluffing works or what? This is sort of an interesting bluff but you have to like.. put your opponent on a counterspell of their own and then try and resolve a spell on the next turn while also holding up mana for a counterspell that you don't have. And then if your opponent does call your bluff you essentially get 3 for 1'd. And if they don't have the counterspell you're just giving away value
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Wezlar posted:This is sort of an interesting bluff but you have to like.. put your opponent on a counterspell of their own and then try and resolve a spell on the next turn while also holding up mana for a counterspell that you don't have. And then if your opponent does call your bluff you essentially get 3 for 1'd. And if they don't have the counterspell you're just giving away value
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Yawgmoth posted:So do you just not get how bluffing works or what? what's to stop you from saying I HABE A CONTERSPLELL  every turn, without this card in play?do YOU just not get how bluffing works?
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Lone Goat posted:what's to stop you from saying I HABE A CONTERSPLELL This is putting 2 cards on the line, though. It's like toxxing your counterspell.
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Lone Goat posted:what's to stop you from saying I HABE A CONTERSPLELL It's only a bluff if it actually costs you when your opponent calls it. Otherwise it's just a freeroll. That said, it's not a very good bluff here - your opponent will be wondering why you didn't just name the first spell you were going to cast, and thus get the cards anyway regardless of whether they try to counter it.
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:degenerate What does this word actually mean in a gaming context?
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Wafflecopper posted:What does this word actually mean in a gaming context? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAIQ68snVMw
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Wafflecopper posted:What does this word actually mean in a gaming context? originally it's a fancy way of saying 'overcentralising' - a game 'degenerates' to the point where the only strategy is to Do the Thing, and Doing the Thing isn't fun or interesting. (mental misstep being a 4x in formats where it's legal is a great example) what it actually means when anyone says it is these days, is that they don't want to call something 'cancer' or 'aids' because that's not very nice, so they pick a word that conveys the same meaning without the specific connotations of those diseases
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ShaneB posted:The concept of wheeling was considered too important is my guess. It’s the only explanation I can think of, unless there are patent issues or something. How the hell they came to the conclusion that wheeling was more important than having actual humans decide picks is beyond me, though.
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They implemented bots as a stop-gap solution, and then someone decided that that would be good enough forever and they would never work on anything better. I'm not joking, that's literally the story, as told by the guy that wrote the bots.
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wheeling is essential to mtg drafts imo
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Sampatrick posted:wheeling is essential to mtg drafts imo My LGS had 13 players last night so they ran it as one pod.  I'd have split it into a 7 and 6, personally.
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Sampatrick posted:wheeling is essential to mtg drafts imo Wheeling is good but not at the cost of everyone wheeling the exact same cards cause they're all exploiting the same AI in the same predictable way leading to 75% of matches being mirror matches of the same archetype you drafted the last dozen times. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 03:18 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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