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Gripweed posted:Bernie is gonna win the first three states This appears to be an internal Andrew Yang campaign poll? Although it does seem pretty accurate
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Mat Cauthon posted:https://twitter.com/AlxThomp/status/1216201562357424128?s=19 I like that the tweeter dishonestly tries to link the [optional] part to the first statement rather than the second. Subtle but clearly deliberate.
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Craptacular! posted:There wasn't any facts in there, just demographic speculation. Not according to Politico: quote:In poll after poll, Sanders appeals to lower-income and less-educated people; Warren beats Sanders among those with postgraduate degrees. Sanders performs better with men, Warren with women. Younger people who vote less frequently are more often in Sanders’ camp; seniors who follow politics closely generally prefer Warren.
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^^^ Yeah, this exactly. ^^^Craptacular! posted:There wasn't any facts in there, just demographic speculation. Everything in that script matches up with demographic trends in polling.
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Jan 12, 2020 07:56
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Craptacular! posted:There wasn't any facts in there, just demographic speculation. The script made perfect sense as a "what to talk about people with when canvasing/phone-banking" thing. Focusing on electability makes perfect sense if you're talking to people who are undecided or leaning towards some other candidate on the basis of them being more electable. And you'd be surprised at the misconceptions people have about who supports each candidate, since most people don't pay attention to poll crosstabs and poo poo like we do. Earlier in this primary I was talking with my parents and they thought that Warren was more electable because they thought she was have more black support than Sanders. Why? Who loving knows. But it's good to point out that Sanders actually has a dramatically more varied support base than every other candidate except arguably Biden. There are a number of people who realize Sanders is obviously the best on the issues but, for whatever reason, think that he isn't electable, so tackling that narrative is useful. Also, what else would you expect it to say? If someone primarily cares about electability, there isn't really any other way to address that. Do you think they should try and argue with random boomers on the phone about why electability is a dumb concept? ArbitraryC posted:I like that the tweeter dishonestly tries to link the [optional] part to the first statement rather than the second. Subtle but clearly deliberate. Yeah, I noticed this. In general I think that stuff like this is why Sanders tries to avoid directly attacking other candidates, at least with his own words. The media will jump on a narrative of him being angry and unfair, and even if it's obvious bullshit it'll send a skewed message to people. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 08:52 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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overmind2000 posted:Speaking of delegates, is there anything stopping unpledged delegates from throwing their support behind a candidate that loses the state that they are representing? For example, could New Hampshire's unpledged delegates go all in for Warren and give her the highest delegate total despite her coming in 2nd or 3rd place in the state's primary?
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Ytlaya posted:Earlier in this primary I was talking with my parents and they thought that Warren was more electable because they thought she was have more black support than Sanders. Why? Who loving knows. it's cause the media has continuously and fallaciously painted sanders as only able to appeal to white people when they bother talking about him.
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Jan 12, 2020 09:03
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I'm not sure where they even pulled that script from, because it doesn't look like what we're using in CA. The volunteers here are basically making sure people are getting registered as Democrats so they can get the ballot in the mail and figuring out if they're already Bernie supporters or are leaning in his direction. If they are already set on another candidate we just abort, mark it down and move on to the next door. That's not a script meant for door to door work as far as I can tell. Bernie's volunteer strategy is also #MyBernieStory where volunteers share their story and why they support Sanders. Everyone has a different story and it's massively unconfrontational since you don't sway voters by arguing with them.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:I'm not sure where they even pulled that script from, because it doesn't look like what we're using in CA. The volunteers here are basically making sure people are getting registered as Democrats so they can get the ballot in the mail and figuring out if they're already Bernie supporters or are leaning in his direction. If they are already set on another candidate we just abort, mark it down and move on to the next door. That's not a script meant for door to door work as far as I can tell. Bernie's volunteer strategy is also #MyBernieStory where volunteers share their story and why they support Sanders. Everyone has a different story and it's massively unconfrontational since you don't sway voters by arguing with them. considering the reporter "retyped the script to protect sourcing" it appears to come from an anonymous source we haven't had super trustworthy anonymous sources into the bernie campaign this election. remember the "bernie hates unions and campaign workers" style stories from earlier in cycle?
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Anonymous Zebra posted:I'm not sure where they even pulled that script from, because it doesn't look like what we're using in CA. The volunteers here are basically making sure people are getting registered as Democrats so they can get the ballot in the mail and figuring out if they're already Bernie supporters or are leaning in his direction. If they are already set on another candidate we just abort, mark it down and move on to the next door. That's not a script meant for door to door work as far as I can tell. Bernie's volunteer strategy is also #MyBernieStory where volunteers share their story and why they support Sanders. Everyone has a different story and it's massively unconfrontational since you don't sway voters by arguing with them. Yeah, I'm almost 100% positive this story is bullshit. That doesn't at all reflect what I have been hearing from volunteers I know. At worst it's some low level staffer that put that together on their own.
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KIM JONG TRILL posted:Yeah, I'm almost 100% positive this story is bullshit. That doesn't at all reflect what I have been hearing from volunteers I know. At worst it's some low level staffer that put that together on their own. And regardless, it's pretty drat inoffensive. Even if it is a low-level staffer's effort, the fact that it brought out so much pearl-clutching from the usual corners makes it valuable and also funny.
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Jan 12, 2020 09:55
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I'll be so thrilled if Bernie takes Nevada. Las Vegas and Reno have gotten pretty blue in recent years, but they usual select pretty milquetoast dems.
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If Bernie gets the nomination, who do you think will be on the list as a potential vp?
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Anonymous Zebra posted:I'm not sure where they even pulled that script from, because it doesn't look like what we're using in CA. The volunteers here are basically making sure people are getting registered as Democrats so they can get the ballot in the mail and figuring out if they're already Bernie supporters or are leaning in his direction. If they are already set on another candidate we just abort, mark it down and move on to the next door. That's not a script meant for door to door work as far as I can tell. Bernie's volunteer strategy is also #MyBernieStory where volunteers share their story and why they support Sanders. Everyone has a different story and it's massively unconfrontational since you don't sway voters by arguing with them. Wait, are you telling me that concern trolling idiots could be *gasp* lying?
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Jan 12, 2020 14:48
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Craptacular! posted:There wasn't any facts in there, just demographic speculation. It's an objective fact that her base of support is upper middle class white people.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Of course that WaPo article leaves out that yes, Bolivia was absolutely a coup, and the country is now led by a Christian extremist who got I think 1% of the vote in the last election and has said all sorts of racist poo poo about the native population of Bolivia The cops were literally ripping the indigenous flag off their uniforms and cutting them up with scissors. It couldn't have been more blatant.
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Jan 12, 2020 14:56
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If Buttigieg is the nominee it'll be a Mondale-level disaster for Dems https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1216095499373072385?s=20
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Jan 12, 2020 15:00
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Yeah I think everyone without terminal liberal brain knows that. His supporters are the second most mentally diseased after the khive. Or they're like the people I know that support him or Bloomberg who would be Republicans if the party went back to dogwhistling.
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A Buttigieg voter was very threateningly "warning" me about how, once Bernie is the candidate, the GOP attacks will be vicious and relentless. "You won't even know who this person they're attacking is anymore". What the gently caress are they going to do? Call him a socialist?
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Jan 12, 2020 15:08
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Mayor Pete came out of a back and forth looking dumber and more out of touch than Trump.
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Condiv posted:considering the reporter "retyped the script to protect sourcing" it appears to come from an anonymous source not sure how that is true. the story about bernie's workers being unhappy was accurate, i'm not aware of it being phrased the way you said. but the essential parts of the story (that sanders workers wanted more money without getting dinged on health insurance, that they went to the press to put pressure on the campaign, that one worker filed a complaint with the nlrb alleging retaliation, that their hours were increasing to the point that their actual hourly wage was low) were true. they were underpaid relative to other campaigns, but mainly because bernie's organizers were hired early at a wage that was fairly common in 2016 (3k/m). other campaigns starting later offered higher wages, and the campaign was resistant to matching. i think it's plausible that the script was written by an organizer or regional field director who felt the campaign wasn't giving them enough talking points to deal with people who weren't supporting them, and so they "helpfully" decided to go rogue and make their own talking points. obviously someone didn't feel comfortable about it, maybe a volunteer, and emailed it out to the press.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Mayor Pete came out of a back and forth looking dumber and more out of touch than Trump. which time, there were so many
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kidkissinger posted:A Buttigieg voter was very threateningly "warning" me about how, once Bernie is the candidate, the GOP attacks will be vicious and relentless. "You won't even know who this person they're attacking is anymore". Also deadbeat dad, "never had a real job," honeymoon in USSR, supporting the Sandinistas over the Contras, (((three house millionaire))), etc. Basically the same things we've seen over and over again already.
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sexpig by night posted:which time, there were so many When Trump called him Alfred E. Neuman.
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Falstaff posted:Also deadbeat dad, "never had a real job," honeymoon in USSR, supporting the Sandinistas over the Contras, (((three house millionaire))), etc. Basically the same things we've seen over and over again already. Deadbeat dad?
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HootTheOwl posted:Deadbeat dad? They prefer 'Father at 29' now
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HootTheOwl posted:Deadbeat dad? He didn't really have a very steady job when he had a son, and he and the son's mom never married. Near as I can tell, that's pretty much all there is to that. Its not really that much of a story.
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HootTheOwl posted:Deadbeat dad? Because he left his son's mother and was unable to support them for a while owing to unemployment/precarious employment, hence "deadbeat dad." This ignores the fact that he had split custody with his ex, so it's not like he left them high and dry or anything, he just did right by his son in a way certain poor-hating people disapprove. Ghost Leviathan posted:They prefer 'Father at 29' now Also this.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:They prefer 'Father at 29' now Still unclear if that's supposed to be too old or too young
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Failed Imagineer posted:Still unclear if that's supposed to be too old or too young It is both too strong and too weak. Right wing propaganda is always the same.
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My parents had me at 29 A LOT of millennials are the same. It's a completely ridiculous attack
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SKULL.GIF posted:My parents had me at 29 My parents had 5 kids from ages 20-40. 29 is like the exact median age when boomers had kids. Anyway, Bernie's gon win https://twitter.com/PpollingNumbers/status/1216377130751332353?s=20 
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Biden might be tougher than I thought, if his supporters are this passionate. https://twitter.com/proustmalone/status/1216370555596787714?s=20
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Gripweed posted:If Buttigieg is the nominee it'll be a Mondale-level disaster for Dems Doesn't this basically mean butterbar has 60% approval amongst black voters? I mean, I know he doesnt. Its just a very weird statistic...
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I like Turner as VP but it is an incredibly bold move. A huge portion of the dem party apparatus absolutely hates her. Nominating her could be a genius move that clears out the old establishment preventing them from subverting his candidacy/administration. Like Stalin killing the generals. On the other hand, it could leave critical areas without seasoned support making the entire campaign much more difficult. Like Stalin killing the generals.
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Why do they hate her? Everytime I say I find her to be awesome and wonderful they say "No she's terrible" I ask why, and it's crickets
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Mikojan posted:Doesn't this basically mean butterbar has 60% approval amongst black voters? It's "if you were forced to vote for him because he's the candidate would you?" It's a really loving terrible number for him. That's you straight up lose numbers.
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DeeplyConcerned posted:Also be prepared for the “ is Bernie Sanders the Donald Trump of the left?” Takes to start rolling back in as soon as his campaign picks up steam The main problem with this approach is that the target audience (establishment dems) don't care as long as you're on their side.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Why do they hate her? Everytime I say I find her to be awesome and wonderful they say "No she's terrible" I ask why, and it's crickets Shes literally where donut twitter started. It's incredibly dumb. https://progressivearmy.com/2017/08/21/lessons-from-the-donut-debacle/ Tldr; DNC didn't let a group of activists headed by Turner in but gave them donuts and water as a compromise. The Centrists unironically said "let them eat cake"
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