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OwlFancier posted:I still think on the whole people yelling at each other on twitter is still more informative than the press. It's certainly informative about the specific individuals doing the yelling but outside of very specific circumstances, doesn't actually inform me reliably about anything else.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:20
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I mean I haven't read a paper or watched the news basically ever in my life and I don't think I'm underinformed about things I actually need to know about? Certainly not in any way either of those things would solve.
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Was this on here? https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/we-slaughtered-jeremy-corbyn-says-israel-lobbyist (Phone posting so can't copy paste) I've already said I was going to quit labour but was going to wait til after the vote but if they're all going to capitulate to the BOD I'm not waiting. Condition 8 unless voices from all Jewish groups (JVL, Jewdas) are listened to is a killer. Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Jan 12, 2020 18:23
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Necrothatcher posted:I thought 1917 was great, though I also think Skyfall is by far the best Bond film. It's the only one I can stomach because it is clearly critical of Bond - hence why he's a flat out rapist in that scene. I mean sure except that it's never mentioned again and he faces no consequences for it whatsoever
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Jan 12, 2020 18:26
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Festival of Brexit is going to be like those stories you get at least one of every Christmas where a "Christmas wonderland" actually turns out to be just a field with mud and a skinny hungover bloke in a santa outfit, isn't it
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Jan 12, 2020 18:27
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It's gonna be the new paddling pool full of coloured balls in an empty warehouse.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:28
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Isn't there a Spanish right wing movement that has yearly festivals and has seen huge increase in its numbers as a result?
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While that Board of Deputies list may look like empty words, reading the actual text clearly shows precisely zero out of ten are compatible with a left wing party. No, this is the Board of Deputies saying they won't tolerate any party not the Tory party... which we already knew. Starmer is clearly not fit to lead a pissup in a brewery not calling that poo poo out.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:29
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Nandy and RLB have also endorsed it I'm afraid.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:31
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Not exactly great that RLB has uncritically signed up to the stupid BoD list of demands.
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crispix posted:Festival of Brexit is going to be like those stories you get at least one of every Christmas where a "Christmas wonderland" actually turns out to be just a field with mud and a skinny hungover bloke in a santa outfit, isn't it You ever seen what happens when the EDL get kettled and, lacking the common enemy to attack, just turn on each other over club rivalries? Like that, but somehow even worse dressed and out of shape.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:32
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OwlFancier posted:Nandy and RLB have also endorsed it I'm afraid. RIP the Labour party and any mainland support for Britain I guess. Time to start building a new party? This one's an ex-party.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:35
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I mean it's possible some of them are just saying it without really thinking about it or aren't actually planning on doing it but that's still short sighted and foolish given that they will be pulled up on it.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:36
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OwlFancier posted:I mean it's possible some of them are just saying it without really thinking about it or aren't actually planning on doing it but that's still short sighted and foolish given that they will be pulled up on it. this is what I'm hoping but god drat if I'm not disappointed
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Jan 12, 2020 18:37
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It's also possible that they're just bad at politics and haven't considered that. Either way as long as I have a vote I'm not quitting, we'll see how long that lasts.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:38
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OwlFancier posted:It's also possible that they're just bad at politics and haven't considered that. It's an ex-party it's not pining for the mines it's dead. You need a new one.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:40
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Necrothatcher posted:I thought 1917 was great, though I also think Skyfall is by far the best Bond film. It's the only one I can stomach because it is clearly critical of Bond - hence why he's a flat out rapist in that scene. What else is there in the movie that's supposed to be critical of Bond, out of interest? My objection to it is more just that very little in the film makes any logical sense, and so none of the narrative payoffs feel like they work. Contrast with Casino Royale which is basically tight/coherent as gently caress narratively and in every other way except for the innate silliness of the set piece (the poker game) which they get over by it simply being badass af. Still, I think I will check out 1917. I suspect it's a political whitewash (no criticism of ruling classes who are responsible for the bloodbath) but at least from the reviews it looks like it captures the horror of the conflict well, which is an achievement in itself. e: this looks particularly impressive https://twitter.com/parkchanwookss/status/1215776753152643073?s=19
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endlessmonotony posted:It's an ex-party it's not pining for the mines it's dead. All the other ones are and will continue to be electoral non entities for the forseeable future and I am dubious about the entire viability of creating a new one in the age of media driven consciousness that we live in.
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El Grillo posted:no criticism of ruling classes who are responsible for the bloodbath
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OwlFancier posted:All the other ones are and will continue to be electoral non entities for the forseeable future and I am dubious about the entire viability of creating a new one in the age of media driven consciousness that we live in. Given that the one you're hanging onto is very clearly dead, I kinda sorta doubt it will rise up and lead a socialist revolution. I'd recommend zombie Lenin over that and Lenin was an incompetent idiot even before he died.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:45
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If Labour is dead as a leftist party, then leftism is dead as a political movement in this country for the foreseeable future, until and unelss the unions move theirt support to another party, which they won't for the foreseeable future.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:47
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The BoD stuff does seem like a stealth ratfuck given that their members don't have to be Jewish or Labour, so the conservatives could basically pad them out whenever a Labour MP strays left of the graun. Are their any other organisations that actually represent Labour Jewish members that we could implement instead? Not that it'd make any difference.
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El Grillo posted:Hmm. Not sure I'm with you on that scene.. it's not played that way at all in the movie (there is no critical aspect to it, it's just played as a 'normal' bond sex scene). I wrote this back in 2012 but I think it still stands up: quote:Bond screws up literally everything he attempts (just examples I can think of: the hard drive gets stolen, he fails his MI6 tests, he drops the assassin in Shanghai, Sévérine dies, Silva repeatedly escapes, M dies) and is comprehensively outsmarted, out manoeuvred by everyone else at nearly every turn. The only way he comes out (vaguely) triumphant is to retreat into a past where the idea of James Bond actually worked.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:49
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I guess that the leadership candidates have judged that this is the price to pay to make the whole AS thing go away and allow the party to move on. I'm pretty baffled though, as I can only see it causing additional conflict: there'll be huge pushback from within the party and such a total capitulation from the leadership will only encourage the people who made this list to immediately come up with even more extreme and unreasonable demands.
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endlessmonotony posted:Given that the one you're hanging onto is very clearly dead, I kinda sorta doubt it will rise up and lead a socialist revolution. I'd recommend zombie Lenin over that and Lenin was an incompetent idiot even before he died. It was never likely to do that anyway, but unfortunately electoralism is not dead, the tories and the liberals are more than capable of occupying that space by themselves and by extension, the political consciousness, such as it is, of the overwhelming majority of the country, and the labour party itself is not dead either, it will continue in some form with or without your participation, also occupying the political space. The choice, therefore, is never going to involve leaving the labour party and taking the left with you.
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El Grillo posted:e: this looks particularly impressive nothing like playing heroic music over a load of squaddies being ordered into a suicide charge
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Also why is the trench made of building aggregate, why are there no craters, or sandbags, or barbed wire, or wooden elements? Why are there no other trenches, where's the connecting trenches between the lines? Why is there just a company of guys with rifles hanging out on a building site?
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https://twitter.com/lukecooper100/status/1216021004465643521 https://twitter.com/ParkerCiccone/status/1216028944241233920 I suspect this guarantees Long-Bailey the victory at the membership vote; all she has to do now is not do risky things
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Adita Chakrabortty said it best when he pointed out that every major left wing institution outside of the Labour party is dead, so he's not sure exactly how far also killing the Labour party gets you
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I ain't sayin' the situation hasn't gone to poo poo or that y'all don't have your work cut out for you. But Labour ain't fixing itself and you ain't fixing it internally. Momentum was an idea, and that idea better implemented might be useful, but... I have my doubts. And I ain't saying it's dead as a left wing party. I'm saying it's dead as a party. It no longer has internal coherence or even the singular common value or any leadership that is capable of opposing the Tories any way. Labour has no more ability to even be opposition than the other parties of China. You could start a movement outside it that supplants the party and wears it as a skinsuit but it's clear that movement has to start and exist outside and independent of the party. This isn't opposition it's capitulation.
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El Grillo posted:Has anyone seen 1917? Is it awful? I always reckoned there aren't enough modern large scale films about British experience of the world wars (no Spielberg), but Sam Mendez is pretty poo poo. Skyfall was a complete mess and had some horrible stuff in it, e.g. steamy sex scene where Bond figures out that the woman he's met in a casino is an ex-child prostitute and then surprises her by getting naked and walking into her shower without any consent from her...... yeah. Its so un-problematic that it depicts a multi-ethnic British army, it spends so little time with commanding officers that the big name actors are barely even in the movie and it doesn't go full "yay England!" at any point.
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Julio Cruz posted:nothing like playing heroic music over a load of squaddies being ordered into a suicide charge Where are the loving poppies?
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endlessmonotony posted:I ain't sayin' the situation hasn't gone to poo poo or that y'all don't have your work cut out for you. That's really far less true presently than it was when Blair was in charge and that already happened.
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OwlFancier posted:Also why is the trench made of building aggregate, why are there no craters, or sandbags, or barbed wire, or wooden elements? Why are there no other trenches, where's the connecting trenches between the lines? AIUI it's based on the German fake withdrawal, counterattack then actual withdrawal after the breakthrough at the Somme, meaning the trench line was probably several miles beyond the previous front line and would have just been temporarily thrown up to allow the Allies to build up forces prior to pushing on - that would also explain the nice clean grass.
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MikeCrotch posted:Adita Chakrabortty said it best when he pointed out that every major left wing institution outside of the Labour party is dead, so he's not sure exactly how far also killing the Labour party gets you The fact that y'all had all your eggs in one basket and that basket seems to now have been dropped and lost all the eggs does seem to be the problem, yes. Blair's Labour had a driving force and wouldn't capitulate to the Tories. This one's lost the elan vital and is adrift and also dead. I don't see any future in which it isn't a good idea to have multiple competing leftist organizations as long as you're clear from day one they start cooperating when the election rolls around. ... and the goals of the British left now align with Farage's personal goals, now that I think about it. This world is weird and it sucks.
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I don't really know if advocating neoliberal economics like it was your own, brilliant idea is necessarily "not capitulating to the tories"
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I assume also that any such changes as the BoD are demanding would have to clear the NEC who I would be surprised if they would pass them given how much power it cedes.
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We all know Labour's hosed atm, the solution has to come from without. We need to organise outside of the party, create a mass movement, so that Labour is capitulating to us rather than the Tories or the loving libs. There's genuinely no way we can win electorally without some serious outpourings of anger that the Tories are fundamentally incapable of dealing with. For those of us who are staying in the party, the priority should be keeping it as left wing as possible, so that if we can get the wider movement agitated we're not stuck with some neoliberal fuckwit triangulating towards "still crush the unions, but draw little smiley faces on the rubber bullets or some poo poo" A poo poo useless socialist is better than the best neolib
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endlessmonotony posted:Blair's Labour had a driving force and wouldn't capitulate to the Tories. Blair's Labour was loving tories you utter spanner.
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