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I got cold called by a recruiter to fill a data center tech position for Amazon in Sterling, VA. Hands-on tech position, with 12 hour shifts. I have an MS and a BS in EE, along with my PE license, and 8 years experience in professional design. He asked me what it would take to get me down there. Having worked in the DC region, and knowing what commuting around there is like and what rents are near that area, I gave an answer commensurate with what an accomplished working professional working for a FAANG makes in the DC suburbs, setting my standard north of a p dece 6 figgies. His response: "I can get to $30 an hour." I made more than that fresh out of school, and told him as much. I was agog. I straight up told him that I couldn't believe that any degreed electrical engineer other than straight out of school would take that offer, and he told me he'd placed several. I made sure he wasn't talking about electrical engineering tech degrees. Apparently Amazon wants people with strong theory backgrounds turning wrenches at their plants. For $30/hr, in one of the most expensive locations in the country. Guess all that effort yelling STEM STEM STEM into the educational system is finally paying dividends
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they were lying. it was a contractor job right
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Jan 9, 2020 22:37
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I believe it was contract-to-potential-hire. I didn't care enough to ask in the moment, though if I had I'd probably have told him that my freelance rates are several multiples of that
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hobbesmaster posted:they were lying
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Jan 10, 2020 06:28
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I once told a recruiter that I didn't trust him because he was a recruiter ("It's a great place to work, everyone says so") and he got really offended.
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Jan 10, 2020 10:45
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do they really not know they’re on a par with estate agents as far as being full of poo poo goes
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Jan 10, 2020 11:12
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Ferr posted:The one I was supposed to do was mandated for all new hires by the VC firm that recently acquired the company. The recruiter described it as "50 questions in 15 minutes, rapid fire style to assess your critical thinking and comprehension." and it sounded 100% like digital phrenology. PLI? We use that here and its worthless.
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Jan 10, 2020 12:48
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jesus WEP posted:do they really not know they’re on a par with estate agents as far as being full of poo poo goes they know it, they won’t admit it to themselves or the world. they’d be much happier if they would though
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hey pros, looking for some advice: after some average-to-garbage jobbing in webdev to complement my studies, I applied for a data analysis internship in a local big company. They sent me a test to do some exploration on a dead file dataset from one of their clients (everything properly anonymized, good sign), liked my report and code, and called me for an interview. I really wanna get this one if only to get to a different sub-field, but as an internship it pays really well and has benefits, so yeah, I definitely could use those. I appreciate any sort of advice for an interview of the type, as I haven't dealt much with data science teams and what they like to see and such. A possible advantage of mine is that, according to colleagues that I have worked with and from uni, is that I know how to talk and present myself well enough, but I don't want to rely on that and you know, end up winging it. whatever tips you deem useful and worthy to share, please do and thanks in advance 
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Jan 10, 2020 21:29
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data analysis is the field where you report the truth behind a metric or sales or what have you then get blamed for the bad performance.
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Jan 10, 2020 21:56
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well it's been a few days and the recruiter who said they were about to hit me up to schedule the final interview still hasn't hit me up! interviewing is garbage!
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Jan 11, 2020 03:30
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government recruitment is always worse
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Jan 11, 2020 04:01
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 me, managing the MySQL database for a shopify app: 
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Jan 11, 2020 21:22
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tehres a whole lot of cs ms degrees out there that are just a bs with one extra year
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I got contacted by two different recruiters within 20 mins, so first I thought they both got the same contract. Turned out it was two different jobs, but I gave both of them the same message they all get: "I'm not looking for a job, but if you have an interesting posting I'd like to know about it. Tell me the job description, who I would work with and who I would report to" And most importantly the god-drat compensation. Not even a firm offer, just tell me the limit your client is willing to go to. First one was very quick and gave me some bullshit spiel about it being a very unique job (it was building .NET applications and excel poo poo for some sales department) and that due to the uniqueness of this job he had not been given a range, but given my years of experience he could not imagine the pay would be an issue . But he was very interested in hearing what I was currently making. Between refusing to tell me the compensation, and trying to bullshit me about .NET development being AN AMAZINGLY UNIQUE AND EXCITING OPPORTUNITY, I already knew I wasn't interested so I just told him what I currently make. Got back to me really fast and really pissy: "Well, if that is what you are making I suggest you just stay right here, because no-one is going to pay you the same because you have too few years of experience" Yeah, why don't you get testy with me when I give you everything you want and you offer me gently caress all... loving recruiters.
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I think I got the rare good recruiter, she sent me a list of everything they're going to ask about on the technical.
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refleks posted:First one was very quick and gave me some bullshit spiel about it being a very unique job (it was building .NET applications and excel poo poo for some sales department) and that due to the uniqueness of this job he had not been given a range, but given my years of experience he could not imagine the pay would be an issue . But he was very interested in hearing what I was currently making. picturing a recruiter that’s actually the hiring manager wearing a mustache as disguise ps: recruiters cold call when they’re desperate to fill a garbage position that none of their normal leads would take
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refleks posted:I got contacted by two different recruiters within 20 mins, so first I thought they both got the same contract. Turned out it was two different jobs, but I gave both of them the same message they all get: PIZZA.BAT posted:also on a whim i came up with a pretty good detraction regarding early figgy talk if they press it: i'm not too concerned that the offer will be competitive and think it's safe to move forwards. however if $company isn't they can tell me the range they had in mind just to be sure
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PIZZA.BAT posted:well it's been a few days and the recruiter who said they were about to hit me up to schedule the final interview still hasn't hit me up! Just call them ?
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Jan 11, 2020 23:10
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Anyone serious enough will know the range and will tell you. Anything less they can gently caress off...
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Blockade posted:I think I got the rare good recruiter, she sent me a list of everything they're going to ask about on the technical. it’s a real good sign
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Jan 12, 2020 02:45
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do not bother with masters degrees unless you plan on getting a phd or you plan on applying for jobs abroad
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qhat posted:do not bother with masters degrees unless you plan on getting a phd or you plan on applying for jobs abroad I thought that in the US it was typical to go straight from undergrad to a PhD program
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it is, but you get a masters on the way. a lot of people also use a terminal masters to get into a PhD program that's better than what they could've got into straight out of undergrad. in that case they end up with two masters
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Achmed Jones posted:it is, but you get a masters on the way. a lot of people also use a terminal masters to get into a PhD program that's better than what they could've got into straight out of undergrad. in that case they end up with two masters Good to know, I thought the masters along the way was a consolation prize if you left the program after 2+ years. Maybe that depends on the field
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Also the consolation prize, yeah
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OawrlVoQqSs
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it's ok to get a terminal master's. imo it's better to do it thesis-based instead of coursework/"capstone"-based but this is prob kinda field-dependent. if you're applying to PhD programs it's important to have a very clear idea of exactly which professors in which labs you would want to work with, and not everyone coming out of undergrad has that sort of certainty of direction re: their professional trajectory.
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also important: have a look in the academics threads full of phds in humanities. ask them questions, learn from their decisions
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been with this company 3 years. after 1 year i got an 11% raise  after 2 years i got a 6.5% raise after 3 years i got a promotion! ...with a 3.5% raise  thanks for giving me a better job title to go make money somewhere else, i guess
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jesus WEP posted:been with this company 3 years.
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sounds like you reached the top of your payband so you may genuinely be hitting the ceiling of what your company is willing to pay in which case you can either accept that or find someone who can afford you
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PIZZA.BAT posted:sounds like you reached the top of your payband so you may genuinely be hitting the ceiling of what your company is willing to pay The correct answer is always the latter.
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Asleep Style posted:Good to know, I thought the masters along the way was a consolation prize if you left the program after 2+ years. Maybe that depends on the field usually it’s arranged so that the coursework is the same as for a masters and then your thesis proposal and preliminary exam count as the project/research a MS requires. then it’s just filling out the right paperwork in time to get the MS that also means you can freely drop out during the ABD stage and still have the consolation prize
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yeah the school’s procedures still usually make you qualify for a literal diploma
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Ferr posted:
COME WORK FOR US! DIVORCE YOUR SPOUSE, TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO GO gently caress THEMSELVES
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Blockade posted:I think I got the rare good recruiter, she sent me a list of everything they're going to ask about on the technical. i got an onsite on friday and on wednesday ive got a phone call w recruiter to prep, which is a new experience for me
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Boiled Water posted:also important: have a look in the academics threads full of phds in humanities. ask them questions, learn from their decisions the lesson there seems to be a resounding "don't" which seems reasonable, since i can't imagine what the gently caress i'd realistically do with a doctorate in russian studies are there any CS phds in yospos? doing networking research seems more fulfilling than telling devops people at random companies that we're not going to spontaneously rewrite HTTP because they disagree with with something the IETF decided decades ago, but idk what it's like to go back into academia after 10 years in industry
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academia is awful in many of the same ways corporate is poo poo, the pay is just worse but you get to do neat things you might like 60 hours per week instead of writing fart apps in java or whatever
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