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Harry can lie, too. Doesn't mean he doesn't have amnesia.
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The game goes into the nature of the case of amnesia depending on a few things. One Thought actually brings up the idea that your mind is deliberately hiding things from you and only gradually disgorging information as necessary; Inland Empire, which is all about insights into things you shouldn't quite know, in particular tries to protect you from the things that you'd been desperately trying to forget. The ending implies this isn't even the first time this has happened to Harry, and one of his team has apparently been looking into psychological theories implying they're familiar with his mental state.
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Jan 12, 2020 14:44
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So just finished it and had a couple questions- Probably answered already but dont want too many spoilers for my second playthrough so am wary to pore through the thread. I was amazingly pleasantly surprised with the appearance of the cryptid at the end- does the thing still show up even if you ignore lena and her husband? So I finished neither Joyce nor Evrarts questlines in this playthrough. For my second run through, either of them particularly recommended or can you do both in a run? But man, really enjoyed that game. Just superb and got a lot of genuine laughs from me. Kim is probably the best sidekick character Ive ever came across too.
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Jan 12, 2020 15:14
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Billy_Delicious posted:So I finished neither Joyce nor Evrarts questlines in this playthrough. For my second run through, either of them particularly recommended or can you do both in a run? Mr. Evrart helps you find your gun.
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Jan 12, 2020 15:54
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Can you find more than a single bullet worth of ammo for it?
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Jan 12, 2020 16:03
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Can you find more than a single bullet worth of ammo for it? I think you can find two.
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Jan 12, 2020 16:05
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Yup, there are two.Billy_Delicious posted:So I finished neither Joyce nor Evrarts questlines in this playthrough. For my second run through, either of them particularly recommended or can you do both in a run? You can do both. Also - LtK posted:Mr. Evrart helps you find your gun.
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Jan 12, 2020 16:59
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Billy_Delicious posted:
It does show up, but if you didn't choose too be doused with pheromones earlier it just runs away immediately.
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Jan 12, 2020 17:33
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Did I lock myself out of talking to Joyce by mailing Evrart's letter? She's gone from her dock.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:19
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TommyGun85 posted:Did I lock myself out of talking to Joyce by mailing Evrart's letter? She's gone from her dock.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:22
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Joyce is always docking her middle-class boat in different working-class piers if you know what I mean.
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Jan 12, 2020 19:11
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I heard thatLtK posted:Mr. Evrart helps you find your gun.
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Jan 12, 2020 19:38
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Reveilled posted:Hang on, what? Now I'm really curious if that's real or you remembering it wrong because I don't remember anything about the amnesia being made up. The game does it leave it vague if you're having Harry actually tell the truth or if its just a lie he's telling Kim due to all the self-loathing though.
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Jan 12, 2020 19:42
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Has anyone completed the long distance phone call? Im assuming the lady that answers is your ex and she has re-married?
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Jan 12, 2020 20:11
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TommyGun85 posted:Has anyone completed the long distance phone call? Yeah. Feels real bad, man.
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Jan 12, 2020 20:19
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Oh god I noped out of that conversation, I just couldn't
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Jan 12, 2020 21:05
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Way I see it, turned out better than the alternatives. Just not evenly for everyone.
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Jan 12, 2020 21:09
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TommyGun85 posted:Has anyone completed the long distance phone call? But yes, it's exactly what you think it is. And it's not the first time you've made the call, and it won't be the last time she's willing to pick up.
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Jan 12, 2020 21:12
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i genuinely thought i was just being a dick making prank calls, but going through with all of the calls was very rewarding. actually one thing about the phone call that's spoiled and also end game spoilers i found the initial phone call devastating, but the eventual conversation you have after the nap in the bunker made me realize that harry is just idealizing someone who probably wasn't very good to him. it's easy to assume that he hosed up his relationship and he very likely did, but it sounds like they were a bad match and she just would have made him unhappy. i think that making it ambiguous and in my opinion likely that harry is pining for something bad for him was a really great direction to take. is he not aware? has love made him blind? or is it his self destructive urges making him want to go back to something he knows is worse for him than all of his other self destructive behavior? when you ask your partner about your ex wife it seems like he's just being a idck and a bit of a misogynist but it also kind of implies that maybe dora wasn't really great for harry and he just has her on the pedestal. your partner very distinctly does not like you and he still has your ex wife held in very low esteem. i don't know, i don't think this reading is that big of a stretch
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Jan 12, 2020 21:23
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rabidsquid posted:your partner very distinctly does not like you and he still has your ex wife held in very low esteem. i don't know, i don't think this reading is that big of a stretch Nah, Jean cares about Harry. And that's also why he is so angry both at Harry and the ex-wife. It devastates him to see his good friend, who he knows is a genuinely brilliant investigator, stuck in a self-destructive, alcoholic rut, and he partly blames the ex-wife for causing that to happen.
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Jan 12, 2020 21:35
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Utritum posted:Nah, Jean cares about Harry. And that's also why he is so angry both at Harry and the ex-wife. It devastates him to see his good friend, who he knows is a genuinely brilliant investigator, stuck in a self-destructive, alcoholic rut, and he partly blames the ex-wife for causing that to happen. its clear that he cares and is hurt by your behaviour especially you telling him to gently caress off because he's holding you back. Are there any more things besides doing drugs that I should do when Kim is not around, so fair Ive: Hit on the woman at the docks. Talked to Joyce about the Pale. Stole the boots from the corpse. Stole the speed from Cuno and from Klassje.
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Jan 12, 2020 22:30
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The Feature That Almost Sank Disco Elysium | Audio Logs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X0-W5erEXw
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Jan 12, 2020 22:49
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TommyGun85 posted:its clear that he cares and is hurt by your behaviour especially you telling him to gently caress off because he's holding you back. You can also do some of those with him around.  One thing that did catch me out is there's a few investigation things (like 'stepping closer') that don't work if Kim isn't with you and don't always SAY so. EDIT: Megazver posted:The Feature That Almost Sank Disco Elysium | Audio Logs Thanks for linking this! Tylana fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Jan 12, 2020 22:53
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TommyGun85 posted:its clear that he cares and is hurt by your behaviour especially you telling him to gently caress off because he's holding you back. Worth noting that according to the RCM info provided both by Kim and Esprit-de-Corps, Vicquemaure has been promoted because of Harry (he is not yefreitor in his rank)
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Jan 12, 2020 22:58
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Hmm. Hopefully Jean is not a satellite officer or whatever the term was.
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Jan 12, 2020 23:05
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Tylana posted:Hmm. Hopefully Jean is not a satellite officer or whatever the term was. he is
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Jan 12, 2020 23:34
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LtK posted:Mr. Evrart helps you find your gun. Is there any way to compel him to do that without, in any way, shape or form, getting signatures?
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Jan 12, 2020 23:53
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Mr. Dick posted:Is there any way to compel him to do that without, in any way, shape or form, getting signatures?
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Jan 12, 2020 23:57
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I didn't actually get the gun loop in my game so I saw it on a video and I'm upset because it's legitimately one of the funniest moments in a game full of soid laffs
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Jan 12, 2020 23:58
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LtK posted:Mr. Evrart helps you find your gun.
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Songbearer posted:I didn't actually get the gun loop in my game so I saw it on a video and I'm upset because it's legitimately one of the funniest moments in a game full of soid laffs I didn't see it either - apparently you can only have it happen if Kim isn't with you (because he'll snap you out of it early). Greaseman posted:I'd say that the way RPGs are usually power fantasies extends to evil options, which convey that the player is 'powerful' or 'sexy'. What I love with how DE presents 'morality' is by stripping away the power fantasy aspect of it regardless of what you do. I think one of the interesting things about "evil" Harry is that it's one of the more realistic depictions of fascism in media, in that it's not a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur, it's just some bitter angry loser who would be easily swayed by a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur. Fascist Harry isn't Hitler, he's the kind of person who would have listened to Hitler and gone "you know he makes some reasonable points".
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Jan 13, 2020 00:12
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Accordion Man posted:It's true, its the option I took in that scene as well, because that was a revelation too good to pass up. I took it as Schrodinger's Amnesia. TommyGun85 posted:Has anyone completed the long distance phone call? And that, mostly due to the ridiculously long number, I took as you dialing into one of the memories of the Pale, echoing a long-past conversation, as you'd probably done many times before.
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Jan 13, 2020 00:23
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Megazver posted:The Feature That Almost Sank Disco Elysium | Audio Logs "I want to do what Baldur's Gate 2 did for Baldur's Gate 1." Yes. Yes!!
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Jan 13, 2020 00:30
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Kurvitz throws so much shade and I love it.
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Jan 13, 2020 00:41
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Re: Amnesia I elected to go the "faking it the entire time" response because holy poo poo isn't that the most perfect thing for Harry? It's so horrifically bleak that he knew full well that every little bit of ignorance he fronted was utter bullshit but it's only in that bleakness that his efforts to rebuild himself despite knowing how hosed he was can stand up as being completely heroic. He pushed himself to be better while carrying his sins in the back of his head the entire time.
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Jan 13, 2020 00:47
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Songbearer posted:Re: Amnesia there's also a more pragmatic approach to the idea of faking amnesia to get people he talks to on a totally different footing, making them easier to manipulate. i don't think he was faking at any point but you could argue that would be a helpful tactic
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imho it was just shock from the confrontation haywiring your circuits, mr psych consultant tells about his past "episodes" and how he was kinda intuitively figuring out how to do one final plunge and try a wipeout
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Jan 13, 2020 02:11
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Megazver posted:The Feature That Almost Sank Disco Elysium | Audio Logs just started watching BUT I have to say already that their adjustments to consider ease of reading and interface are excellent and a huge pro after reading someone in a review on youtube explaining how adjusting the screen to be more helpful to reading using a narrow field through margins, I kinda tested that on my kindle and welp they were absolutely right, it makes reading far more snappier and cohesive for someone like me edit: holy gently caress I just realized Kurvitz is like a young Zizek but 2.0 (no, it isn't the accent, god drat it) dead gay comedy forums fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 02:18
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Perhaps a hamster posted:And that, mostly due to the ridiculously long number, I took as you dialing into one of the memories of the Pale, echoing a long-past conversation, as you'd probably done many times before. that's not how it works. the pale recordings like the one in the doorbell are just voices played on loop. dora replies coherently to all of your questions. it's actually her the number is long because harry's dialing the other side of the world, probably another isola entirely
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re: Amnesia I think picking that option doesn't necessarily mean Harry is lying about his amnesia and actually has perfect recall - more that he's become aware/was always aware that the amnesia was something he/his brain was doing intentionally as a self defense mechanism as opposed to an accident of electrochemistry from binge drinking. I didn't personally pick that option because even the implication of it felt wrong - Harry has been going around asking dipshit questions about "whats a real" and the like or having to ask basic questions of how to do his job without taking Morale hits for being horrifically embarrassed - which to me shows an inability to recall, whatever the cause, not just lying to put people offbalance. But tomato, tomato - I'm guessing they put that in there so people could have some level of choice in what Harry's deal is, exactly.
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