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Everybody knew Iran could hit stuff with missiles. The reason they haven't now or before is that it'll turn into a huge disaster for everyone involved. IMO everyone ended up looking like idiots anyway. The US for the assassination and "so far so good" response, Iran for the minimal viable response and airliner. The moral of the story is that war is bad, mkay.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:The Iranian revenge attack was the attack on Al-Assad airbase, which to liberal & conservative brainlets looks like a failure but is actually a strategic defeat for the United States. Iran demonstrated they have the ability to pop all of our most important assets on the ground within SRBM range of Iran's borders, and there's not much we can do to stop it. Now Iran can play the long game of marshaling their allies to throw the US out of the northern ME. No it wasn't. Yashar Ali has a good thread. https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1214712056781271040?s=21
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Jan 12, 2020 20:07
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:the 4th Rome is Belgrade no it's sarajevo
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Darth Walrus posted:The Iraqi government went from allied to hostile, and the Mahdi Army is back and allied with Iran. Outside Iraq, Hezbollah has declared that its cold war with the US will go hot, and there'll be one of the traditional, spectacular Iranian revenge attacks coming down the pipeline in a few months or years. None of that is great for America. that owns lol 
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Jan 12, 2020 20:20
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Iranians accidently shooting down the plane is a tactical setback at best. Everyone paying attention knows that this is ultimately the US's fault and that Iran will be planning something big to embarrass Trump just in time for the election
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Jan 12, 2020 20:26
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mobby_6kl posted:Everybody knew Iran could hit stuff with missiles. The reason they haven't now or before is that it'll turn into a huge disaster for everyone involved. IMO everyone ended up looking like idiots anyway. The US for the assassination and "so far so good" response, Iran for the minimal viable response and airliner. The moral of the story is that war is bad, mkay. At worst, Iran looks somewhat weak. At best, the US looks unstable and untrustworthy. If you're an empire, your alliesdon't give a poo poo if you're evil as long as you provide them with stability and predictability. This is not good for the US.
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Jan 12, 2020 20:40
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Darth Walrus posted:No it wasn't. Yashar Ali has a good thread. this is all fair to point out, but I don't think the same kind of plausibly deniable revenge attacks against Israel apply to the United States - especially not when the US won't just accept that they got us back and escalate even further. Is Iran going to assassinate a US ambassador or a general? They've already declared that the blood price for Suleimani is throwing the US out of the region, and there's no shortage of targets to choose from.
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cda posted:At worst, Iran looks somewhat weak. At best, the US looks unstable and untrustworthy. If you're an empire, your alliesdon't give a poo poo if you're evil as long as you provide them with stability and predictability. This is not good for the US. Right now, it looks like a clear win for Iran in that the strike on Soleimani made Iraq immediately more friendly towards Iran and hostile towards the US. Iran's response, at least so far, didn't do anything. This can be viewed as either ineffectual, and thus a slight negative towards Iran, or a slight positive, in that it didn't piss off Iraq and stop the movement of Iraq away from the US and towards Iran. No matter the perspective one takes on Iran's response, the whole thing is a net negative for the US and a net positive for Iran so far. It may be that this doesn't matter in the long run, Iran may bungle future responses, internal Iraqi politics may mean the US is no worse off, etc. Countries do stupid things in foreign relations all the time, but it's almost always for understandable reasons (backed into a corner, helping domestically at the cost of international relations, etc.). This, on the other hand, has been an absolute head-scratcher from the start. I still stand by this being the various neocon psychopaths who work for Trump making a last ditch play for war with Iran, realizing that it's now or never, but holy crap.
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Jan 12, 2020 21:07
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Azathoth posted:Right now, it looks like a clear win for Iran in that the strike on Soleimani made Iraq immediately more friendly towards Iran and hostile towards the US. Yeah if anything the US behavior has poisoned the well -Iraqi parliament voting to kick US troops out -Per the Prime Minister the US killed Soleimani when he was in Iraq on official diplomatic business the Iraqi government authorized -US threatens to freeze USD Fed oil revenue accounts if Iraqi didn't change the vote -Trump threatens that Iraq will have pay billions of dollars for the service the US military provided to them over the last few years
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Jan 12, 2020 21:25
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Iran may be the headliner but the real showdown is in Iraq over this troop expulsion which, regardless of anything else, is a huge win for Iran that this is even happening
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Jan 12, 2020 21:29
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Bellingcat receives the MachiavelliSunTzuVonClausewitz award for haveing good brain
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Jan 12, 2020 21:46
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t think the admins would approve of that but it would be funny. good way to wind up on an atlantic council sponsored kill list
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Jan 12, 2020 22:11
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Ross DaouThot posted:Bellingcat receives the Gorka award for haveing good brain ftfy
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Jan 12, 2020 22:41
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Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? (Genuine question, I really dont know)
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Jan 12, 2020 22:57
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? Mainly because he does lazy half rear end journalism and makes hay for western intervention into the middle east.
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Jan 12, 2020 22:59
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Lightning Knight posted:I don’t think the admins would approve of that but it would be funny. We won't tell, we're not snitches.
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Jan 12, 2020 23:05
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? there is a weird set of internet fandoms around people doing reporting on Syria, and most of the most significant vitriol against BM comes from people who are fans of rival reporters. it is a bizarre little ecosystem. that said, he's also a slimy little toad whose take the last time we were trying to cook up a war with Iran was to write an advertorial about how useful he could be to the powerful once the bombs started flying, so i'm disinclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Jan 12, 2020 23:13
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BM decided kiwi farms wasn't evil enough for his internet detectivery talents
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https://twitter.com/bigneet69/status/1216166720295067649?s=20 based trump
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Jan 12, 2020 23:16
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Bellingcat is raking in money by training journalists for major publications to do the same kind of "remote investigations" they've been doing, which is basically just making a lot of supposition based on picture and video evidence without necessarily having any formal training or education in weapons and forensics, or even a reporter on the ground who can see the evidence for themselves. So once they're done this fatally flawed method of journalizing conflict will become an industry standard.
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Bellingcat/BM do lazy-rear end "internet journalism" by looking at Twitter feeds and Facebook comments. Also, regarding Soleimani: https://edition.cnn.com/videos/world/2015/03/04/pkg-holmes-soleimani-isis-in-iraq.cnn That's funny...
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Jan 12, 2020 23:18
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Bellingcat is raking in money by training journalists for major publications to do the same kind of "remote investigations" they've been doing, which is basically just making a lot of supposition based on picture and video evidence without necessarily having any formal training or education in weapons and forensics, or even a reporter on the ground who can see the evidence for themselves. So once they're done this fatally flawed method of journalizing conflict will become an industry standard. Yeah without going into deep end conspiracy theories, if anything what he did was half rear end lazy journalism that has been discredited multiple times.
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didn't he change our thread title to "Watch Brown Moses start a loving war" at some point
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Comrade Koba posted:For some strange reason his “findings” mysteriously all turn out to line up exactly with the narratives of western regime change interventionists. Probably the WMD claim was the most obvious example of this especially after Bush used the same one weird trick to justify invading Iraq.
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KozmoNaut posted:Bellingcat/BM do lazy-rear end "internet journalism" by looking at Twitter feeds and Facebook comments. His preferred method of geospatial analysis (speculating with google maps satellite images) was the same poo poo the tea party did with obama to prove that FEMA was opening death camps for whites and got them laughed out of the mainstream media: 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:So once they're done this fatally flawed method of journalizing conflict will become an industry standard. I think this part is important and also extremely alarming. BM’s going to stumble into a massive self-own some day and be forced to go back to work in women’s underwear quality assurance or whatever it was, but his methods are much more useful to spooks and ghouls than actual journalism because they’re cheap as gently caress and can be used to support whatever narrative you can dream up.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? Specifically in c-spam he changed a thread title that was making fun of him, then changed it to reference him when he literally never posts here
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Jan 13, 2020 00:43
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? hes a fat brit who works for the blob, everything else is secondary
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Jan 13, 2020 00:59
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making a big stink that assad broke the rules like a tool that wants america to war more? the curse of the lion coming for you
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? He posts unqualified conjectures that sometimes turn out to be true, but more often are baseless guesses that serve to equivocate speculation with facts, to the benefit of the foreign policy hawks.
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Jan 13, 2020 01:05
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zionist? no, i'm a lionist
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Jan 13, 2020 01:06
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signal boosting an ISIS recruiter, putting pressure on a peer review journal to not publish an article, not really wanting to talk about where he gets his funding, there's a lot of sketchy poo poo surrounding the guy
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Comrade Koba posted:I think this part is important and also extremely alarming. Judith Miller is now a fellow of the Manhatton Institute. Unless he actually ends up concluding that it certainly wasn't the Russians one of those times his meal ticket is secured.
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Jan 13, 2020 01:29
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KozmoNaut posted:Bellingcat/BM do lazy-rear end "internet journalism" by looking at Twitter feeds and Facebook comments. Someone post the video where he dramatically reveals Wikipedia as his source
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? note that the NED that brown moses says funds his work is alleged by the late anti-us imperialism ex-spook activist william blum as a funnel for CIA funding and has done so for decades blum alleges there's an entire rainbow of cia-backed NGO funding mechanisms in his books now just because you're funded by the NED doesn't mean you're funded by spooks. but it probably means you're funded by a spook controlled or infiltrated ngo
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Could I ask why Brown Moses is viewed as badly as he is? I get the jist (that tweet quoted was loving awful) but otherwise I dont know why he is problematic? Pener Kropoopkin posted:Little late to the Brown Moses hate, but the most vile thing about him by far is how he tries to cover his rear end by "both sides"ing conflicts and investigating the war crimes of the United States and its allies. Like when he said there was gonna be a bombshell report about the US bombing that mosque in Syria which went over in the media like a silent fart. Or when he covered his rear end on Yemen by saying he was part of an international organization trying to investigate US and Gulf coalition warcrimes, which has had about as much media penetration as a tiny gorilla dick trying to gently caress a volcano. Fast forward to January 8, 2020 and Trump is saying to a national audience that Iran has made Yemen "a Hell on Earth."
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lmao how do you read "national endowment for democracy" and NOT have CIA sirens going off in your brain
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yeah we need like a little copy+paste BM primer for whenever someone asks again why he sucks rear end
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