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radmonger: Jun 6, 2011

Tesseraction posted:

Would it? Unless you put obvious cunts like Pollard on it then I don't see this being as big of an issue.

Yeah, it says �an independent organisation�, it doesn�t say which. Technically the demand would be met by appointing Hamas as the organisation in question (don�t do that).

The general case is that for the Labour Party, it should be the case that levels of racism (and also sexism, transphobia, etc.) that don�t actually literally break the law are nevertheless career ending.
Or, more relevantly, hobby-ending; if someone can be banned from their local warhammer group for being racist, at least the same should be true of the local party.

And it should not be the case that every inter-faction or policy fight should be resolved by trying to end careers or expel members in that way. The A/S issue was not made up by the press out of whole cloth; it had legs because the right of the party was prepared to use it as a weapon, to go on record in the Sun and Times saying there was a problem.

An independent system that can dismiss bogus complaints, and uphold valid ones, without anyone making the decisions knowing or caring whether those involved are members of particular factions is about the only way out of the dilemma. It will presumably be expensive, but it seems worth finding the money.

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thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

Communist Thoughts posted:

Yeah I think #2 and #8 are particularly bad, the rest are meh. Maybe #6 too but less so.

e: mind you i'd be fine with the labour left shutting the gently caress up about israel.
yeah they're bad but its not a lot to do with us, atm its comically easy to troll the left into saying dumb poo poo when the correct response is not to touch that with a 10 foot twiglet

Which is all very well until any interviewer asks the question. Which they will, because the know it's a perfect way to derail any leftist who's doing even slightly well in an interview.

AT which point, you can't ignore it, you can't deflect it, you can't dodge it, they will use up every ounce of time available to them re-asking it if you try, hell, they'll use every ounce of time re-asking it even if you give the perfect nuanced two-sentence soundbite answer (that doesn't exist).

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Jedit: Dec 10, 2011; Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

If it's independent then you're giving up the right to decide whether obvious cunts sit on it or not to a third party unaccountable to to NEC or the membership.

Unless you give both the BoD and the NEC veto power in which case nobody sits on the committee.

And the NEC is then condemned for anti-Semitism because it refused to address the problem in an acceptable way.

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Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Fast forward to Labour deferring to a beth din of the most Orthodox Jews imaginable, and they're all Third Temple diasporic Jews who regard secular Israel as a traitor state acting against the coming of the Messiah.

I'm not sure the Israeli rabbinate will take the case.

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Facehammer: Mar 11, 2008

Outsource antisemitism disciplinary matters to Jewdas.

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StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

Facehammer posted:

Outsource antisemitism disciplinary matters to Jewdas.

See #8. They got ahead of that. I'd have been cool with 'find the most socialest kibbutz and ask them to take it on'

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Facehammer: Mar 11, 2008

drat. That certainly would have melted some brains.

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NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013

Marmaduke! posted:

Let's face it, it's going to be someone like Keir Starmer is going to be leader, and it's just going to be a matter of time before he gets hit by an antisemitism accusation despite acquiescing and while he'll be shocked we'll be able to enjoy the schadenfreude.

Why, when the majority of the membership delivered Corbyn, twice, in landslides?

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Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

StarkingBarfish posted:

See #8. They got ahead of that. I'd have been cool with 'find the most socialest kibbutz and ask them to take it on'

The vast majority of Kibbutzim have been privatised and make a poo poo ton of money now! :eng101:

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Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Okay, new proposal, all cases to be independently judged by Irving Leonard Finkel, by interpretation of the Code of Ur-Nammu (except the slavery bits). Three kur of barley per antisemitism, welcome to clay court, binches!

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Niric: Jul 23, 2008

Azza Bamboo posted:

There'll be a time where the party says it's met all the BoD's demands but the BoD disagrees and that'll hit the papers hard.

This is almost certainly going to happen, but I honestly don't know a practical way of avoiding or mitigating it. Particularly on point #2, the independent body, since they can plausibly cause a stink if anyone except themselves is named. The thread's apparently preferred solution of "tell BoD to gently caress off," while totally understandable, doesn't really seem like it would help here.

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Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Guavanaut posted:

Okay, new proposal, all cases to be independently judged by Irving Leonard Finkel, by interpretation of the Code of Ur-Nammu (except the slavery bits). Three kur of barley per antisemitism, welcome to clay court, binches!

Is that the new Greggs vegan steak bake he's holding?

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Lightning Knight: Feb 24, 2012; Pray for Answer

Guavanaut posted:

https://twitter.com/BoardofDeputies/status/1216290591442722816

Some of them are just non-statements, but #2 would be ruinous.

I like 8 personally, and how it low key delineates should is and isn�t allowed to be Jewish representation.

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Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

Bundy posted:

Why, when the majority of the membership delivered Corbyn, twice, in landslides?

you maybe missed the devastating defeat that happened last month

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floofyscorp: Feb 12, 2007

Dawn Butler and Rosena Allin-Khan have both got enough nominations for Deputy now.

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StarkingBarfish: Jun 25, 2006; Novus Ordo Seclorum

Miftan posted:

Is that the new Greggs vegan steak bake he's holding?

Ahem, Greggs *Kosher* steak bake goyim

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Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

thespaceinvader posted:

Which is all very well until any interviewer asks the question. Which they will, because the know it's a perfect way to derail any leftist who's doing even slightly well in an interview.

AT which point, you can't ignore it, you can't deflect it, you can't dodge it, they will use up every ounce of time available to them re-asking it if you try, hell, they'll use every ounce of time re-asking it even if you give the perfect nuanced two-sentence soundbite answer (that doesn't exist).

of course you can dodge and deflect it, thats what politicians do. just say you support a 2 state or 1 state solution and you hope the people of the region can come together

you just have to not actually go "well israel is a racist apartheid state" because while true its a very controversial thing to say for no gain at all

e: fwiw youd still end up getting the BoD or whatever on your rear end but thered be a gently caress of a lot less oxygen for the news trashfire

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NinpoEspiritoSanto: Oct 22, 2013