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Rhyno posted:Vic Fontaine is the goddamned worst and that opinion is what eventually drove me from the old Trek thread. Hey when you've got to make 26 episodes on a 90s TV budget you get a LOT of filler. My only point is you can do something interesting with any crap character if you've got a story worth telling.
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Rhyno posted:Vic Fontaine is the goddamned worst and that opinion is what eventually drove me from the old Trek thread. Dick Fountain is the ultimate progression of what started with Section 31. He is, incarnate, the writer's boredom with their subject and their disdain for continuing to work within the universe of Star Trek. The result of people staying in a franchise long past the point of spinning a wheel to choose plot elements. Like S-31, he embodies a kind of contempt for Trek every bit as bad as the Abrams/Kurtzman action above all school of pew pew. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Jan 12, 2020 18:50
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I am thankful for period piece time travel Trek episodes. I was invited to a stupid 20's themed party for NYE and I fully intended to wear a Trek uniform but it wasn't going to arrive in time.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:52
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Lizard Combatant posted:I honestly don't remember her appearance on DS9, I think I must have instinctively skipped it on the rewatch. Guess I'll have to check it out if I want my takes to be on point. She's mostly in the B plots. She realizes she can't hear Odo's thoughts or emotions at all, so she develops a crush on him. Then she does some sexual harassment that would be super creepy if she was a dude, but since she's an old lady it's hilarious.
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Jan 12, 2020 18:55
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Like S-31, he embodies a kind of contempt for Trek every bit as bad as the Abrams/Kurtzman action above all school of pew pew. Abrams, Kurtzman & Co embody a contempt for the notion of story itself though. It's hard to think of a group that have made a worse contribution to film and television.
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There’s just been a really depressing streak of nihilism in Trek since Enterprise ended. Even when the Disco writers realized that we’d prefer hopeful stories, there was this really sour underpinning of cynicism to it.
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HD DAD posted:There’s just been a really depressing streak of nihilism in Trek since Enterprise ended. Even when the Disco writers realized that we’d prefer hopeful stories, there was this really sour underpinning of cynicism to it. Unless Anson Mount was on screen.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:She was also atrociously awful as an actress. Every episode with Troi's mum in it has extreme Go Away heat. 
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Jan 12, 2020 19:23
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Rhyno posted:Vic Fontaine is the goddamned worst and that opinion is what eventually drove me from the old Trek thread. Lovely Joe Stalin posted:She was also atrociously awful as an actress. Every episode with Troi's mum in it has extreme Go Away heat. STD thread still providing the worst takes, congrats
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Jan 12, 2020 19:29
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When I first watched TNG as it aired, I didn't like Mrs Troi When I first watched DS9 as it aired, I hated Vic Times, how they change
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Jan 12, 2020 20:08
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Rhyno posted:Unless Anson Mount was on screen. I want a supercut of every scene he's in.  I honestly don't think I would've made it through s2 if it weren't for him.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:I want a supercut of every scene he's in. It's incredible how loving GOOD he is in every single scene. When they did the clips of Jeffery Hunter that cuts to Mount and he gives that look right at us... God drat. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhqZULjMne4 If we never get more of this it will be a crime.
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Rhyno posted:It's incredible how loving GOOD he is in every single scene. When they did the clips of Jeffery Hunter that cuts to Mount and he gives that look right at us... God drat. I love how cheesy that intro is.
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I thought Bruce Greenwood was a great Pike. Anson Mount is better. I'm someone who wishes Discovery was just set in the 25th century and we were clear of continuity errors and stuff, but I'd love a Pike's Enterprise series with Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn. They're all really good in it. I appreciate that Peck is the weakest, but even he's really good.
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Peck grew on me over the course of the season. Mount had me from the jump though. And when we got over to the Disco Enterprise well, I'm all in on that.
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Jan 12, 2020 20:49
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Vic and Lwaxana rule
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Go back to the other thread with your antiquated Trek opinions.
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Rhyno posted:Go back to the other thread with your antiquated Trek opinions. are you the Parallax Colony sentry because you are just an adorable gatekeeper  
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HD DAD posted:And a lot of “bad acting” is actually bad direction. You can be a good actor and still be directed into sounded stilted. Regarde Aduck posted:Gimmick characters like Q, Vic Fontaine, Luxwana, everything about section 31, exist to keep the absolute worst of the fan base happy. Rhyno posted:Peck grew on me over the course of the season. Mount had me from the jump though. And when we got over to the Disco Enterprise well, I'm all in on that.
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Rhyno posted:Go back to the other thread with your antiquated Trek opinions. lmbo
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Section 31 worked in DS9 but it should have stayed there. Like of all the great stuff Ds9 gave Star Trek, that's the one thing they pull from it?
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The thing DS9 did with Section 31 is that there was never any equivocation or them being just a shadier part of Starfleet you were uncomfortable with. They were wrong, from day one.
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Jan 13, 2020 05:41
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Right. The idea of Starfleet command doing something incredibly shady isn't the problem, evil admirals have been tradition since TOS.
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MichiganCubbie posted:I'd love a Pike's Enterprise series with Ethan Peck and Rebecca Romijn. They're all really good in it. I appreciate that Peck is the weakest, but even he's really good. I'd be kinda surprised if this doesn't happen eventually, especially since the impression I got from some of the recent Short Treks is they were meant to quietly introduce us to possible new characters on a Pike series. Add Lucero and Sidhu to Pike/Spock/Number One and that's a good chunk of the cast settled right there.
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MikeJF posted:The thing DS9 did with Section 31 is that there was never any equivocation or them being just a shadier part of Starfleet you were uncomfortable with. They were wrong, from day one. Yea making Section 31 just Starfleet CIA was really bad move. Having them be more akin to like Hydra was way better, as you had no idea what they were really capable of doing.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea making Section 31 just Starfleet CIA was really bad move. Having them be more akin to like Hydra was way better, as you had no idea what they were really capable of doing. Plus we already have Starfleet Intelligence! They do spy stuff and there's no sign that they are particularly incompetent. We don't need another agency that duplicates their work plus does torture and assassination.
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As it was shown in DS9 they didn't even duplicate Starfleet Intelligence's work, they just had access to it and extended it and/or exploited it for their various assassinations and the like. If I recall correctly, in DS9 they explicitly say that Section 31 has no ships or fleet, stations, resources, advanced tech of their own. It's a network of individuals across existing positions, many very high ranked, collaborating together and spread wide enough that they can exploit all of Starfleet's existing resources to carry out their own plans, arrange for many of the orders or research they need to be carried out seemingly legitimately. It's a conspiracy, not a real agency. HYDRA hiding inside SHIELD in the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a pretty good comparison. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 10:32 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Lizard Combatant posted:Direction, editing, but most importantly... writing. https://postshowrecaps.com/ Jessica Liese and Mike Bloom at RHAP just released a fun, sometimes goofy podcast recap of this season's Short Treks. Overall they're mostly positive with some quibbles about tribbles 'n' stuff.
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Binary Logic posted:Good news, new content: Hey thanks but, uh, no thanks 
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Real new content news: We're like a week and a half away from Picard starting!! Seriously, all the arguing about stuff aside, this is an awesome year to be a Star Trek fan. We've got Picard, season three of Discovery, Lower Decks starting at the end of the year, and maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting.
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MichiganCubbie posted:Real new content news: I mean, only if they're good. When I first watched DS9 I hated Vic. I still hate Vic, but not as much. There's a big difference when you can watch the next episode RIGHT NOW instead of having to wait a week (or more!) and Vic's episodes always felt like such a waste with one or two exceptions. Being able to binge shows changes so much about them.
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I think the Section 31 series blasts off this year too. But this current attitude of having some new Star Trek content on all year round seems overly ambitious. Lizard Combatant posted:Hey thanks but, uh, no thanks Fair enough it's not for everyone. I drive an hour to work 5x week so have plenty of time for podcasts. And I learned the narrator forn Ephraim and Dot was the punk with a boombox in The Voyage Home.
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There may be some cause for optimism for the others, but I just can't see any way the Section 31 series can be a decent bit of Star Trek. Maybe they'll surprise me, but... how? There's no way to do a show where S31 are the protagonists except Hard MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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It'll be some moronic fash shite like The Unit but in romper suits.
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I still don't think we will ever actually get a Section 31 show.
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Senor Tron posted:I still don't think we will ever actually get a Section 31 show. Has that Michelle Yeoh spinoff been canceled then?
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Well we do have this https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1216516436190826496?s=19 So maybe Pike and....something else. Too many loving shows is what - at least let some come out so if we can see if they're actually good.
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Don't do that Dont give me hope
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If they were going to spam four live-action shows couldn't they at least do it in the 26th century or something.
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MikeJF posted:If they were going to spam four live-action shows couldn't they at least do it in the 26th century or something. One of the new shows might be in the 26th century! There is literally no information about them other than the fact that they exist, apparently.
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