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Gianthogweed posted:He's the hero we all deserved. Oh those are definitely on my media drive, but in a better world than this you wouldn't have to gray market the classic version. You'd log on to Disney Plus navigate to your star war and get to pick "Clean Nice Transfer of the Theatrical Edition" or "Special Edition." (In an even better world than that Disney Plus would be called something else, stream over your free municipal fiber connection, and be run by a central planning committee of culture and film naturally)
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George is the patient zero of loving up Star Wars.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:38
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Burns posted:George is the patient zero of loving up Star Wars. There is an adjacent universe where he got the rights to Flash Gordon, did his thing, and 40 years later we don't have to argue about hyperspace suicide attacks and what a million space nazis ate on the lightning planet for 30 years. Instead a brain trust of the best directors of hist time and his wife with a great eye for snappy pacing helped midwife his eraserhead baby of a screenplay about Whills and Wormies and the Jedi Bendu lead by Kane Starkiller and bad assembly cut, and gave it multiple lifesaving surgeries to turn it into a beautiful creature and here we are.
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Jan 13, 2020 18:43
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Owlbear Camus posted:There is an adjacent universe where he got the rights to Flash Gordon, did his thing, and 40 years later we don't have to argue about hyperspace suicide attacks and what a million space nazis ate on the lightning planet for 30 years. Maclunkey!
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Jan 13, 2020 18:47
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Burns posted:George is the patient zero of loving up Star Wars. wrecking my own movies to own the libs
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Jan 13, 2020 19:17
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The CGI Tarkin actually looks pretty good, The CGI Leia is some uncanny valley looking poo poo..
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Jan 13, 2020 19:23
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Trainee PornStar posted:The CGI Tarkin actually looks pretty good, The CGI Leia is some uncanny valley looking poo poo.. Both are really creepy-looking, imho 
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Jan 13, 2020 19:25
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Bogus Adventure posted:Both are really creepy-looking, imho To be fair Peter Cushing was one creepy looking mofo in the flesh so for me at least, it works.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:30
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They could have had Tarkin do all of his lines via holoprojector and nobody would have been creeped out.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:33
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HBO did this between seasons because the guy decided he wanted to be in a movie, had a brief scene establishing the new actor was playing the same part, and we pretty much went with it. Meanwhile Disney thinks that their fans won't understand that Peter Cushing couldn't reprise his roll 23 years after his death and spend a zillion dollars on VFX to resurrect him to mixed reactions about how convincing the effect is. If they ever do have a story heavily involving the OT main characters set during/closer to the OT (or God help us a full reboot) I'm not convinced they wouldn't try to do this creepy nonsense for every main character in a feature length film. It would be kind of hilarious to have the only completely practical actors on the clean plate shots be the seven foot fur monster and the robots.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:34
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Didn't they change The Mountain like 3 times? Nobody cared.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:36
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I'm sure you can find another gaunt creepy old guy who can do an accent. Just send your casting director to whatever bar the mall Santas meet at.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:38
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Trainee PornStar posted:The CGI Tarkin actually looks pretty good until he started moving or talking
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Jan 13, 2020 19:38
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He was arguing that a corporation like Disney shouldn't be allowed to just buy a movie and change whatever they want, cutting it up, re-writing lines, placing products, etc. This currently happens to movies all the time, but outside of Star Wars, for some reason, the only people that care are the filmmakers themselves, whose works are changed against their will. If it had been John Huston himself that oversaw a colorized version of The Maltese Falcon, or if Fritz Lang reshot the (at the time) lost scenes from Metropolis, Lucas would not have gone to congress about it.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:43
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Owlbear Camus posted:It would be kind of hilarious to have the only completely practical actors on the clean plate shots be the seven foot fur monster and the robots. I look forward to laughing at it  On a semi related note: I managed to get halfway though the film Beowulf before I realised it was CGI, in my defense it was shortly before I found out I needed glasses lol
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Jan 13, 2020 19:46
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Mooey Cow posted:He was arguing that a corporation like Disney shouldn't be allowed to just buy a movie and change whatever they want, cutting it up, re-writing lines, placing products, etc. This currently happens to movies all the time, but outside of Star Wars, for some reason, the only people that care are the filmmakers themselves, whose works are changed against their will. If it had been John Huston himself that oversaw a colorized version of The Maltese Falcon, or if Fritz Lang reshot the (at the time) lost scenes from Metropolis, Lucas would not have gone to congress about it. Gonna put this out there for you to chew on: It's a difference of amount rather than kind. Lucas' name is on it, but it was a collaborative effort that became a cultural touchstone. Fiddling with it is one thing but deliberately trying to memory hole the original version (and the contributions of dozens of people without whom'st it would not have been a legendary piece of cinema) still makes him the sort of gangster he warned against. He's not the Little Red Hen who did all the work. That doesn't mean Turner and his ilk were right, or not arguably even worse.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:54
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Bogus Adventure posted:Both are really creepy-looking, imho To me the appearance of the thing is way less creepy than the act. CGI puppeting corpses just feels wrong.
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Jan 13, 2020 19:57
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They are casting Fully CGI James Dean in some Vietnam movie next year. If that works well i assume Disney will just start putting whoever they want in star wars.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:06
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projecthalaxy posted:They are casting Fully CGI James Dean in some Vietnam movie next year. If that works well i assume Disney will just start putting whoever they want in star wars. On the plus side Vincent Price would be a great evil Sith wizard I guess. And Alan Rickman could tear up a supporting part as nearly anything. On the minus side like... everything else. Powerful Black Mirror vibes. Owlbear Camus fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Jan 13, 2020 20:11
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Picturing the estates of great actors as basically the German EDM guy they had to give the painting back to at the end of that Simpsons episode. "And initial here where it says we can make your grandfather do product placement for boner pills and adult diapers." "Yeah yeah just make the check out to cash."
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Jan 13, 2020 20:14
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I've thought for a while that we're coming up on the last generation of actors, or at least Stars. We're just going to have to deal with CGI Brad Pitt for the next 200 years
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Jan 13, 2020 20:17
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I imagine voice actors will have a few years on live action ones but eventually voice synthesis will catch up and be naturalistic enough. It's depressing to contemplate how inhuman even the once glamorous industry of makin' movies is gonna get. They'll look at the old way of making movies without just having a sweatshop of animators slouching over computers in a dark warehouse make James Cagney walk away from an explosion with a grenade launcher resting jauntily on his shoulder and a Monster Energy Drink in the other hand to plant a kiss on a perpetually 27 year old Michelle Pfiffer (MK logo on her handbag glinting in the faux-light) like we look at silent films.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:25
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I think cinema will just die off and we'll all be jacking it in the VR matrix to virtual Keano Reeves with huge anime titas
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Jan 13, 2020 20:29
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Owlbear Camus posted:I'm sure you can find another gaunt creepy old guy who can do an accent. Just send your casting director to whatever bar the mall Santas meet at. In a just universe Tarkin is portrayed by Charles Dance
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Jan 13, 2020 20:36
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Drive-Thru Salad Bar posted:In a just universe Tarkin is portrayed by Charles Dance This would have been a fine recasting. Absent that I'd love to see him direct his awesome bad guy energy at a role on The Mandolorian, the Cassian Andor Variety Hour, Dr. Aphra's Disaster Lesbian Countdown or whatever.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:39
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Patrick Spens posted:To me the appearance of the thing is way less creepy than the act. CGI puppeting corpses just feels wrong.  , although it's a bit more hosed up to do it to someone who is still alive and not tell them.The Walrus posted:I've thought for a while that we're coming up on the last generation of actors, or at least Stars. We're just going to have to deal with CGI Brad Pitt for the next 200 years Welcome to the Vocaloid age of acting 
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The Walrus posted:I've thought for a while that we're coming up on the last generation of actors, or at least Stars. We're just going to have to deal with CGI Brad Pitt for the next 200 years I remember watching a documentary about CGI some 20 years ago that pretty much made the same point, it said that at some point in the near future it will be cheaper to use CGI than hire real actors. At the time I though no chance but I guess we're very nearly there.
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projecthalaxy posted:They are casting Fully CGI James Dean in some Vietnam movie next year. If that works well i assume Disney will just start putting whoever they want in star wars. Isn't anyone who knows who James Dean is as an actor well into their 80s by now?
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Jan 13, 2020 20:48
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FogHelmut posted:Isn't anyone who knows who James Dean is as an actor well into their 80s by now? I bet the copyright on his image is well cheap & it'll be widely advertised as his 1st film in 70 years (or whatever)
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Jan 13, 2020 20:52
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Owlbear Camus posted:Picturing the estates of great actors as basically the German EDM guy they had to give the painting back to at the end of that Simpsons episode. That really troubled me about the Cushing thing. It was obviously stated that they got consent from his estate, but his wife died years before him, he was estranged from the rest of his family and I don't think he had any children. Who the heck signed off on bringing him back as a CGI puppet? Is it OK to do as long as there's nobody around who cares enough to object?
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Jan 13, 2020 20:53
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FogHelmut posted:Isn't anyone who knows who James Dean is as an actor well into their 80s by now? *extremely board room pitch voice* That's the beauty of it! We can get the likeness for peanuts, then we rope in a new generation and we have his entire back catalog. Leveraging his "new" appearance in Star Wars: Revengeance of the Snokes to promote those classics and get people retro-watching is projected to increase streaming revenue 10%!
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Jan 13, 2020 20:53
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the gently caress happened to Wayne Pygram, Disney? you're not telling me he was too busy. maybe Peter Cushing would've got a kick out of them making an evil ghost of him, anyway.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:55
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Voting Floater posted:Is it OK to do as long as there's nobody around who cares enough to object? Sadly I think that describes most things in life mate.
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Jan 13, 2020 20:58
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Trainee PornStar posted:Sadly I think that describes most things in life mate. haha... yeah...  Here's Peter Cushing wearing slippers on set because the boots for his costume were too small. 
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Jan 13, 2020 21:22
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Voting Floater posted:haha... yeah... I've heard the story but 1st time I've actually seen proof. Many thanks
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Jan 13, 2020 21:29
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I'm guessing that all of the unanswered questions about what happened between episode VI and VII, especially as it concerns Sheev, Snoke and the first order will be answered in the prequel trilogy to this sequel trilogy. You know it's coming.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:31
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Maybe not the most disturbing thing, but a big problem from a plain moviemaking perspective is that the CGI puppets can't loving act. Moff Tarkin is hamming up to hell his two minute appearance in Rogue One.
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Jan 13, 2020 21:46
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The Mandalorian does more to establish the world the characters are in in any given 30 minute episode than the entire ST did over 3 films.
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Owlbear Camus posted:The Mandalorian does more to establish the world the characters are in in any given 30 minute episode than the entire ST did over 3 films. Everything in Star Wars has done more world building that the sequel trilogy. imo it's the biggest single problem with the whole thing. I also think it's big part of the "prequels were better than sequels" movement. Like I just played the Jedi: Fallen Order game and for fucks sake that's even a story driven game and it still did 10x the world building the whole new trilogy has. Hell, even the 20 minute intro sequence on lovely Scrap World probably beat any of the ST for world building. I don't get it. It's really weird because Rogue One and Solo didn't have this problem. They took time to establish what's going on and added to the greater Star Wars lore through world building (opinions on the quality of it aside). But for some reason the actual mainline films just couldn't be loving bothered to do any of it. Who cares, gently caress it, just write the "The First Order conquered the galaxy" and "Palpatine is alive" in the opening scrawls lol wtf.
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Alternate Universe: Lucas sells Star Wars to Disney much earlier, after completing The Empire Strikes Back. JJ Abrams (who was born earlier I guess) directed Return of the Jedi, and it's debuting in theaters. *Movie starts, opening scrawl begins* "Han Solo has been rescued from Jabba's Palace, and the heroes rejoin the rebel fleet..."
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