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Failed Imagineer posted:it's true, forums poster oxsnard's friend said so all i did was share an anecdote about how some people in sanders' camp are looking at the state of Iowa positively. Simmer down
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Acute Grill posted:I thought she just had a marine boyfriend, she's loving fantasy goblins now too? I never expected Warren charging into a goblin’s nest to not get some goblin vomit and schlop and blood on her. I just don’t want to catch her in bed with a goblin. But if she’s in there rolling around hacking ‘em up and she’s got a goblin guide, y’know, taking her into the cave, I’m not expecting her to not get dirty, especially up to her ankles. Failed Imagineer posted:every time he posts one of those for Biden just assume it's real, the outcome will be the same She
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Harrow posted:If Warren comes out today and confirms it, it's going to hurt Bernie severely. If calling you a loving idiot merits a sixer then sixer me up because you are a loving idiot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Thoguh posted:If calling you a loving idiot merits a sixer then sixer me up because you are a loving idiot. Man I loving hope I am
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Jan 13, 2020 21:50
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Bernie is gonna win, here's Danny Devito to explain why https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1216779507220340736?s=20
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AsInHowe posted:She is this stupid, to hire Clinton people. Writing was on the wall when she announced her Iowa staff like they were the '90s Chicago Bulls.
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Harrow posted:The smartest thing for CNN to do is not to bring it up at all, or at least not do so directly. If they do and Warren does anything other than outright confirm it, it'll blow up in her face pretty badly IMO. why wouldn't warren just confirm it though? there's no reason to think that she has any issues with being a lying sack of poo poo
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Jan 13, 2020 21:55
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hobotrashcanfires posted:How do you feel about Warren being a willing participant with "loving goblins high on their own farts"? I haven't paid any attention to this dumb poo poo at all.
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kidkissinger posted:Warren rn holy poo poo, this is amazing, shamelessly stealing it.
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RottenK posted:why wouldn't warren just confirm it though? there's no reason to think that she has any issues with being a lying sack of poo poo Because she is personally cowardly. Buzzfeed saying they reconfirmed it with anonymous sources. Warren is trying to have it both ways right now.
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Gripweed posted:Bernie is gonna win, here's Danny Devito to explain why *plays any It's Always Sunny clip with Frank in it* bErNiE bRoS
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Jan 13, 2020 21:57
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This whole saga feels like the kind of coordinated attack that a Hillary staffer would think up. Warren doesn't want to be seen as breaking her pledge not to attack Sanders, so her team searches for something, anything they can spin as Sanders 'trashing' her and this dubious script was the best they had. After a day of their embedded journalist screaming that Sanders is mudslinging while she plays the victim in interviews, they accuse him of making misogynistic comments in a private conversation with the excuse that he started it. It owns bones that he came out and called the anonymous source a liar, I don't see how Warren can avoid the question and retain any credibility. Either her staffer is lying and she isn't doing anything about it, or Bernie is lying and she's refusing to defend her own employees from an attack on their character. I wonder if they didn't expect him to come right out and say it's a lie. Did Obama ever call Hillary out on her dirty underhanded tactics in 2008? I remember he criticized her a lot, but did he specifically call her out for releasing the madrassa photo and running that hosed up racist strategy?
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The caucuses are imminent, of course the knives are going to come out to some extent at this point. I don't have any real problem with that, from my perspective Warren is still an ally and the 2nd best choice. I'm very glad that Bernie is the one in the lead and the target, because I want him to win.
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RottenK posted:why wouldn't warren just confirm it though? there's no reason to think that she has any issues with being a lying sack of poo poo Because if the lie was true, why would she still be "friends forever" with Bernie afterwards? Why would she have been pretending to be shocked and mystified just days ago that Bernie would ever have said a mean thing about her campaign? Her own actions in the past don't make sense if the lie was true, and that's of course because its a lie.
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https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1216814955590082560 Biden -5 and Bernie +3 since last Q poll https://twitter.com/Politics_Polls/status/1216824349816045569 Whoops: this one is +2 Biden and +0 for Sanders from the poll in November oxsnard fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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VitalSigns posted:It owns bones that he came out and called the anonymous source a liar, I don't see how Warren can avoid the question and retain any credibility. Either her staffer is lying and she isn't doing anything about it, or Bernie is lying and she's refusing to defend her own employees from an attack on their character. It's remarkable how Warren looked at Kamala Harris' campaign trajectory and told her manager "I bet we can do that but bigger."
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How are u posted:The caucuses are imminent, of course the knives are going to come out to some extent at this point. I don't have any real problem with that, from my perspective Warren is still an ally and the 2nd best choice. I'm very glad that Bernie is the one in the lead and the target, because I want him to win. I prefer Warren over Biden/Buttigieg but it's like deciding whether you'd prefer a steel toe boot in the teeth or the side of the head.
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How are u posted:The caucuses are imminent, of course the knives are going to come out to some extent at this point. I don't have any real problem with that, from my perspective Warren is still an ally and the 2nd best choice. I'm very glad that Bernie is the one in the lead and the target, because I want him to win. I mean at this point this is what Warren is now campaigning on, and it's absurdly disappointing, but that works too
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Trabisnikof posted:Because if the lie was true, why would she still be "friends forever" with Bernie afterwards? Why would she have been pretending to be shocked and mystified just days ago that Bernie would ever have said a mean thing about her campaign? this would matter if she was actually in this to win, but since the real purpose of her presence in the primary is sabotaging sanders she can easily throw out a bunch of smears for the media to spread and sit back, she knows she'll be rewarded later How are u posted:The caucuses are imminent, of course the knives are going to come out to some extent at this point. I don't have any real problem with that, from my perspective Warren is still an ally and the 2nd best choice. I'm very glad that Bernie is the one in the lead and the target, because I want him to win. how can she possibly still count as an ally
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Me, watching Warren and the media react to Bernie's surge.
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How are u posted:The caucuses are imminent, of course the knives are going to come out to some extent at this point. I don't have any real problem with that, from my perspective Warren is still an ally and the 2nd best choice. I'm very glad that Bernie is the one in the lead and the target, because I want him to win. I don't understand this comment at all. If Bernie didn't say that, then Warren is a liar who is willing to destroy other people on the left (or at least stand by and let them be destroyed by lies), either out of cynical ambition or (not-so-)secret rejection of left-wing politics. She's certainly not an ally If Bernie did say that, then not only is he (at best) mildly misogynistic and gaffe-prone about it, but he is also a liar who says one thing in private and another thing in public, and he slanders people who simply tell the truth. There's no way they can both be good people or a good choice for president after this.
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Pander posted:He called the anonymous source a liar? I generally don't click on CNN links, was that in the story too? I hadn't seen anyone mention that in thread and was wondering if he had or not. "It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win," Sanders said in a statement to CNN Monday. "It's sad that, three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? Of course! After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016." https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-denies-report-told-elizabeth-warren-woman-cant-president-apartment-cnn-anonymous-1481928
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RottenK posted:this would matter if she was actually in this to win, but since the real purpose of her presence in the primary is sabotaging sanders she can easily throw out a bunch of smears for the media to spread and sit back, she knows she'll be rewarded later She and her team certainly think they're in it to win it. Either as the last remaining not-joe or as the last remaining not-bernie. The larger system of incentives may align her success with the larger effort to suppress leftism and not really with her winning, but the individual decisionmakers are almost all of them playing for keeps. For the same reasons, they know they can try and fail and get a cushy reward later. So there's little risk to pushing it now, and the reward of getting to push Warren around in office like Obama was is absolutely massive.
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Hmmm, saying one thing in private and another thing in public, who does that sound like? If only I could think of a candidate from 2016 that is female and attacked bernie sanders in underhanded ways who did this exact thing. Oh well Bonus points if it was hilariously on the nose like, telling rich bankers one thing, and telling voters another. I mean, that'd just be fuckin wild
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kidkissinger posted:Me, watching Warren and the media react to Bernie's surge. The bugs were the good guys in that movie, OP.
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VitalSigns posted:I don't understand this comment at all. And just like yesterday's Big Scoop every facet of the story completely contradicts every other facet. Warren and Bernie were just fine and singing each other's praises despite this deep rift. More and more it seems like yesterday's bullshit story was supposed to make today's seem plausible and they're both a complete farce. Great campaign you're running there Warren.
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Democrazy posted:The bugs were the good guys in that movie, OP. It's just a meme
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hobotrashcanfires posted:And just like yesterday's Big Scoop every facet of the story completely contradicts every other facet. Warren and Bernie were just fine and singing each other's praises despite this deep rift. Like I said before, this is one of the reasons I don't believe it. This has been in the back of her mind for a year, and the whole time she's been his friend? The best case scenario for her here is that she's just as fake in public as he is, and cynically held on to this quote for an entire year until she needed to damage someone's campaign to stay relevant.
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VitalSigns posted:Like I said before, this is one of the reasons I don't believe it. This has been in the back of her mind for a year, and the whole time she's been his friend? The best case scenario for her here is that she's just as fake in public as he is, and cynically held on to this quote for an entire year until she needed to damage someone's campaign to stay relevant. And Bernie encouraged her to run in 2016 as I guess a practical joke?
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hobotrashcanfires posted:And Bernie encouraged her to run in 2016 as I guess a practical joke? Can someone post a good source for this? I'm gonna need it
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VitalSigns posted:This whole saga feels like the kind of coordinated attack that a Hillary staffer would think up. Don't forget that it's such a badly hidden and telegraphed attack, to the point that you could pretty much see the staffers triumphantly announcing their plan on Twitter. On the last thing, I firmly think the Warren camp thought Bernie would be civil about it and let it stand. For decorum's sake.
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