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Having finished LW, CW, the Butcher of Anderson Station, Drive, God's of Risk, and The Churn, does anybody else find The Churn as hosed up as I do? "Timmy" is like 15 and Lydia is an old woman. The narration says we just don't get it but that's...really hosed up. I guess it's from the perspective of a hosed up kid but she's a straight up predator. I know I shouldn't have read it yet but I've seen through season 4 of the show and so spoilers are ambiguous at this point.
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turns out amos' upbringing was super hosed up. who knew?
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Jan 6, 2020 06:10
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It seems to be saying it from more than his point of view though, also hers.
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Jan 6, 2020 16:35
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A full 9 book series completed in a single decade. A pleasure to see and read in this day and age (and genre)
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Jan 6, 2020 22:54
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Reread Auberon because I had a few hours to kill. And the part where Erich says "You know who does that poo poo? Theater majors." killed me. There's all these scenes in book 7 about the entire EMC putting their heads together to build some psych profile for Laconia and Erich does it off-handedly in two seconds.
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Jan 12, 2020 05:30
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Okay I don't care about Lydia anymore halfway through Abbadon's Gate because Clarissa Mao may be the biggest idiot I've ever seen. She's smart but also she's "a bloo bloo my family's honor James Holden didn't let my dad kill a couple million people (almost all of humanity by the way)and get away with it." She can't die fast enough. Edit: I realize that she changes later because I've seen some spoilers but she really gives the impression that for all the planning that's gone into what's going on, she's done zero thinking. The show benefits from the lack of seeing her thoughts especially how premeditated things are. The craziest thing is that she makes me sympathize with book Holden, who I thought was as big an idiot as they come. Which is saying a lot in the face of TV Holden. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Jan 12, 2020 |
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Jan 12, 2020 12:17
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Probably best thing about S4 of the show adapting book 4 is not hearing Elvi's terrible men-writing-women thoughts.
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Jan 12, 2020 17:02
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They really nailed the belter patois in the show.
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Jan 12, 2020 21:52
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Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth?
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Jan 12, 2020 22:11
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Yes
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Jan 12, 2020 22:44
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth? You are.
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Jan 12, 2020 23:00
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth? Yep
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Jan 12, 2020 23:17
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth? Everyone’s wrong sometimes. Now is your time.
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Jan 12, 2020 23:45
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The shame is real.
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth? Yes
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Jan 13, 2020 17:21
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Overall yeah but am I the only one who cringes when Drummer opens her mouth? ...Why?
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Jan 13, 2020 22:08
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I set my Waze navigation voice as Drummer.
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Jan 13, 2020 22:23
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Nail Rat posted:Having finished LW, CW, the Butcher of Anderson Station, Drive, God's of Risk, and The Churn, does anybody else find The Churn as hosed up as I do? "Timmy" is like 15 and Lydia is an old woman. The narration says we just don't get it but that's...really hosed up. I guess it's from the perspective of a hosed up kid but she's a straight up predator. I don’t think you are supposed to agree with Amos about how he feels, it’s just that victims of stuff like that often have a very complex set of feelings about their abuser and what happened. Personally, I think depictions like this one are important for helping to validate the way people feel about this stuff and acknowledge that it is complex and difficult to deal with/recover from. Painting all victims as completely outraged and only filled with negative emotions about their abuser can alienate people who are struggling with mixed emotions about their own experiences.
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Jan 14, 2020 01:06
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Nail Rat posted:Okay I don't care about Lydia anymore halfway through Abbadon's Gate because Clarissa Mao may be the biggest idiot I've ever seen. She's smart but also she's "a bloo bloo my family's honor James Holden didn't let my dad kill a couple million people (almost all of humanity by the way)and get away with it." She can't die fast enough. I think Clarissa makes a lot of sense. There's always people who stick up for those who do terrible large-scale things because they were good to them personally. Clarissa lived a life of extravagant luxury because of her father, so she has his back no questions asked. It's the same thing with Lydia, she took care of Amos when he was a kid so he ignores everything else.
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Jan 14, 2020 02:05
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:...Why? Something about her Belter accent seems...forced? IDK. For reference, I love most of the Belter voice acting, especially Jared Harris and whoever played the street preacher/agitator from the first season. Something about how Cara Gee voices Drummer just seems off to me.
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Jan 14, 2020 02:41
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thats just your terrible taste in waifus
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goatsestretchgoals posted:Something about her Belter accent seems...forced? IDK. For reference, I love most of the Belter voice acting, especially Jared Harris and whoever played the street preacher/agitator from the first season. Something about how Cara Gee voices Drummer just seems off to me. Would it help to think of it as a different accent? There's a bunch of "regional" and socioeconomic variation in Belter creole. She's not failing to sound like Jared Harris, just doing something different.
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Jan 14, 2020 13:07
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I also really liked the performance of the random pirate Ashford apprehends in the start of season 4 who calls him a "good little coyo."
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Jan 14, 2020 16:16
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There are so many great little things about that show- like how they showed Ashford playing with a baby in zero-G. They could have just as easily done the scene with gravity but they went through the trouble of showing what looked like a real baby floating around a cabin.
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Jan 14, 2020 21:44
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Man Ashford was so great. This skinny, horrifically burnt old man that constantly twitches and speaks an incomprehensible accent turns out to be a moral cornerstone. I can barely remember book Ashford, I only know him as a strawman figure. Ornamental Dingbat posted:There are so many great little things about that show- like how they showed Ashford playing with a baby in zero-G. They could have just as easily done the scene with gravity but they went through the trouble of showing what looked like a real baby floating around a cabin. The thing that strikes me is that parents still hold babies by the back of their heads, I can't help but suspect that would be slightly anachronistic.
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Jan 15, 2020 01:29
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Instead of helping them hold their heads up, it's to keep their heads from floating clean off their bodies.
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Jan 15, 2020 01:31
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Phobophilia posted:Man Ashford was so great. This skinny, horrifically burnt old man that constantly twitches and speaks an incomprehensible accent turns out to be a moral cornerstone. Yeah I don’t really remember book ashford at all. He was just kind of a one dimensional hardline bad guy wasn’t he? Belter Murtry basically? Show ashford owns though. Hell I even like show murtry (he’s not different, his actor is just really good at playing a villain).
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Ainsley McTree posted:Yeah I don’t really remember book ashford at all. He was just kind of a one dimensional hardline bad guy wasn’t he? He's an extremely green officer who's put in command of the Behemoth for political reasons and immediately cracks under pressure.
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Toast Museum posted:He's an extremely green officer who's put in command of the Behemoth for political reasons and immediately cracks under pressure. Haha well then. That's a little different from the show
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If they ever get around to doing Singh I think he will be easy to hew to a talented young actor. The fundamental issue is that Ty and Corey are basically two guys, they're clever but they're not literary geniuses, so when they have an opportunity to collaborate with a talented character actor like Aghdashloo or Jane or Harris or Strathairn they give them the opportunity to put their own interesting spin on the character.
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TV series Ashford is a mix of book Ashford, Bull and Drummer--during the Slow Zone crisis, he commits the same actions as in the book, but does them out of a sense of duty instead of out of a desperate ego trip to preserve his political status. Having to deal with a limited episode count forced the TV writers to condense different characters into a vastly superior more believable one. TV show Murtry is still book Murtry because, well, there's not really any nuance to introduce when the book already stages him as a more coldblooded killer than Amos. He's basically the perfect foil to Holden's White Knight complex, and the clusterfuck on Ilos is constantly distracting Holden from addressing Murtry before he becomes the problem he is.
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TV show Ashford saying "What, you were expecting a mutiny?" made me grin like a big idiot.  Definitely the best improvement in the show from the books.
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Hunterhr posted:TV show Ashford saying "What, you were expecting a mutiny?" made me grin like a big idiot. But then he did turn around and do one, getting Diogo and others killed in the process. Yet somehow all is fine after the rings open, which I found odd. He should have been spaced after not only commiting mutiny but commiting and ordering summary executions during it. That said, I'm glad he wasn't. I just am about finished with Abbadon's Gate and wow, I can only imagine how tense watching Drummer's last big moment must have been if you'd read the book first and knew what happened to Bull. I really need to finish through Nemesis Games and maybe another for good measure prior to season 5. It also makes Anna's fairly nonsensical presence on the Thomas Prince make more sense. Her character transition to screen was one of the clunkiest IMO. Nail Rat fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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Nail Rat posted:I just am about finished with Abbadon's Gate and wow, I can only imagine how tense watching Drummer's last big moment must have been if you'd read the book first and knew what happened to Bull. I really need to finish through Nemesis Games and maybe another for good measure prior to season 5. In a second half of a season paced like an hours long heart attack, that moment actually made my heart stop!
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On to Cibola Burn, I hope the slog level has been overstated. I really enjoyed the Holden and Miller stuff a lot more in Abbadon's Gate versus the show, but to say the show had limited time would be a vast understatement.
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Jan 16, 2020 04:47
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CB isn't that bad, it just isn't on the level of the rest of the series. The girl crush inner monologue from one of the POV characters is really bad though.
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Jan posted:TV series Ashford is a mix of book Ashford, Bull and Drummer--during the Slow Zone crisis, he commits the same actions as in the book, but does them out of a sense of duty instead of out of a desperate ego trip to preserve his political status. Having to deal with a limited episode count forced the TV writers to condense different characters into a vastly superior more believable one. except tv show murtry is a fooking legend (who did nothing wrong) ashford was helped by the screenplay (not that david straitharn didn't do work), but murtry is mostly brought to life by burn gorman
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Jan 16, 2020 05:27
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IMO Babylon's Ashes is the real slog with wayyyy too many POV characters. CB was just a nice little side-story in comparison.
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I liked CB but I was able to read it and move straight on to the next one. Also I have a bit of a soft spot for colonisation gone wrong stories.
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Lester Shy posted:IMO Babylon's Ashes is the real slog with wayyyy too many POV characters. CB was just a nice little side-story in comparison.
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