Ferrinus posted:

zer0spunk posted:

“I’m haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me.”

“Now that I’m with you again, I’m in agony. My heart is beating, hoping that that kiss will not become a scar.”

“…I’m not afraid to die. I’ve been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life.”

Elfgames posted:

these are the only "bad" lines here but this is poo poo a moody tenager in love might say(or more realistically write on their livejournal)

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

Bill Shakes showed you can write moody teenagers and still have it be pretty good.

homullus posted:

Obi-Wan's "I have the high ground" is a little bit of tragedy. He's been following in Qui-Gon's "do as I say, not as I do" footsteps in teaching Anakin, speaking in Jedi platitudes when what Anakin probably needed was for him to listen. Obi-Wan's Jedi training gets him past Anakin's rage, and on beating him has one last chance to connect with him...and falls back into that training again, patronizing Anakin by referring to the Jedi Quick Start Guide (speaking of "high ground" as if it were a familiar subject, though we've not seen that lesson on the screen).

Obi-Wan was not a good teacher, but he was exactly what Anakin needed to fulfill the prophecy.

Crazy Joe Wilson posted:

I kind of wish the Jedi Order from the Tales of the Jedi had been more explored, as they don't have a lot of those silly restrictions on love, marriage, and attachments. But they do have the other big failing of the Jedi; refusal to kill prisoners who are totally going to the Dark Side and need to be stopped before it's too late.

RBA Starblade posted:

The smg challenge is harder than it looks because 1. I don't remember the context for half of that garbage 2. UNLIMITED POWER is perfect and 3. ideally you'd rewrite the whole scene which would require 1.

Those are some bad lines though

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Again, Yoda is a huge hypocrite, because when Anakin and Obi-wan sere set to be executed he and Windu came running in with the cavalry. They'll bend the rules for themselves but not for anakins slave mother

euphronius posted:

Speaking of good lines : dookus “it may be difficult to secure your release” is an excellent line

RBA Starblade posted:

The smg challenge is harder than it looks because 1. I don't remember the context for half of that garbage 2. UNLIMITED POWER is perfect and 3. ideally you'd rewrite the whole scene which would require 1.

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The original idea for Star Wars was one movie about the tragedy of Darth Vader. But as the story grew, it ended up being three movies and the backstory was never explained. I decided that it would be important to finish it off and do the backstory because things that I thought would be self-evident about the story, the audience didn’t get. Over the 10 years after Return of the Jedi, I realized people misunderstood a lot — such as where Anakin came from. So it was a way of finishing the whole thing off.

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George Lucas: The inspiration for Star Wars, one of the very first ideas, was when Richard Nixon tried to change the Constitution so that he could run for a third term. We all knew he was a crook, he was a bad guy, he did terrible things and we sort of chugged along with it. It wasn’t until the impeachment, and really even later than that, that we understood how completely corrupt he was.

But that was the idea, which was, “How does a democracy crumble? How does it die?” When it doesn’t die with a revolution — it does in some cases — but not in the world of the ideal democracy, which we thought we had at that time, how does that happen? Would the people vote for it? And yes, they do vote for it, that’s the whole point. There’s an outside threat, and that threat allows the tyrant to take over. And the populace gives up the democratic powers and this guy is suddenly running the show. You end up with the Empire.

That’s what happened with Palpatine, ultimately. Everybody thought he was a nice guy. But he wasn’t. He was a politician and he was ambitious, and he was a Sith Lord, but he didn’t talk about it. And he was plotting to take over the Republic. He wasn’t just a bad guy that ran around killing people.

KVeezy3 posted:

Right, but look at how zer0spunk presented the writing: as a list of self-evidently bad dialogue. But any substantial assessment should engage with their presence in and of the story.

For example, the complaint of overly sappy dialogue is only directed at Anakin & Padme, which leaves out how, when he reaches out to Padme, his lack, as someone who has been taught to repress his emotions, takes the form of melodrama.

zer0spunk posted:

from a retrospective article on the production of ep 1..pretty good read..

zer0spunk posted:

e2: the first version of maul from that article is fuckin' terrifying

Pollyanna posted:

Fuckin compare this to the poo poo we got in the sequel trilogy, the most milquetoast thing possible. Even the prequels has something the ST desperately lacked.

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John Knoll: To be perfectly frank, I was getting a lot of pressure from George and Rick to do less with miniatures and more with digital techniques. And what George told me, this was, I think, during Episode II or III, he was pushing back on me wanting to do so much with miniatures. He said, “Listen, the future is in computer graphics with these digital techniques, and you’re using miniatures as a crutch. You’re going to have to get better at doing this computer graphics work and expand the palette of things you’re going to be able to do that way. And the way you’re going to get good at it is doing it, so I’m going to kick the crutch out from under you and it’s for your own good. Don’t build so many miniatures. Do this stuff more with digital techniques because you need to be doing that.”

Even though my preference would have been to keep doing what I was doing on Episode I. I look back on a lot of the miniature work we did on Episode I and I think it still looks amazing.

Bongo Bill posted:

Even so, there were still an awful lot of miniatures in Attack of the Clones.

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John Knoll: I still feel like I owe George a lot to have been given that opportunity. On those three films, I feel like I got a whole career’s worth of experience packed into eight years. George never constricted his thinking to what he knew for sure the tools were capable of; his attitude was, “Yeah, well, I’m writing what I want to see, so you guys will figure it out.” I loved that he would constantly throw those challenges out with the confidence [that] you guys will figure it out. That was great.

[Laughs] I remember saying, “If I survive Episode I, nothing’s ever going to faze me again. If I can do that, I can do anything.” It really kind of was that way; then I wasn’t at all ever worried or intimidated about big shows. “Yeah, we got a process for doing it, we’ll figure it out.” I really developed a lot of confidence in the process of how we break these things down and how we manage big projects.

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Darth Maul is described as “a vision from your worst nightmare.” That was all I needed, because that’s a very clear direction, and I know my worst nightmares.

I drew my worst nightmare, which was that face that’s peering in the window at you late at night, and it’s barely alive. Like a cross between a ghost and a serial killer staring in at you, and it’s raining, and the rain is distorting the face. So I drew that, a stylized version of it, red ribbons instead of rain, and put it in a folder, and at the meeting passed it over to George. George opened it up and went, “Oh, my God,” slammed it shut, handed it back, and said, “Give me your second worst nightmare.”

zer0spunk posted:

MonsieurChoc posted:

In a tabletop Star Wars game I played a Jedi who fought with his fists called Buster Starwolf.

He would ask people if they were okay after beating them up.

MonsieurChoc posted:

My previous characters include a Duro outlaw technician known as "The Garagist" and an Ace Pilot called Max Renegade.

I'm trying for Lucasians names.

MonsieurChoc posted:

My previous characters include a Duro outlaw technician known as "The Garagist" and an Ace Pilot called Max Renegade.

I'm trying for Lucasians names.

homullus posted:

I didn't think about this until now, but is it true that on the spectrum of using the Force to see the future, Palpatine seems the most able, unorthodox and untrained Jedi sometimes get clear images, and Jedi masters basically suck at it? I think that might be true.

Halloween Jack posted:

Force precognition is just a metaphor for knowing what's going on. Palpatine is a political mastermind who sees all the contradictions in the Republic and knows how to exploit them. Yoda is a spiritual leader who is out of his depth. Anakin's a child soldier who turns to fascism out of fear.

homullus posted:

Sure, but that doesn't matter for my question. The ones who talk about Force precognition the most -- Jedi masters -- are, with all their rigorous training and disconnection from attachment, the worst at it. The ones who experience it the most are actively living their lives.