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The Milkman posted:Potentially silly question: if I shuck an easystore will it need to be reformatted? It's unlikely to be necessary if the destination OS can read the current file system. That said, backup important data and, if you have room, just transfer the contents off it beforehand?
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Heners_UK posted:It's unlikely to be necessary if the destination OS can read the current file system. That said, backup important data and, if you have room, just transfer the contents off it beforehand? Windows/Linux reads it just fine, comes up as NTFS. It's mostly just secondary backups on there so it's not a huge deal. I just didn't know if there was anything funky about the enclosure or something like that.
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ChiralCondensate posted:I don't think anyone mentioned it itt yet, but the 10TB easystores are back at $160. Thanks. 2 more purchased, and that's enough for me to fire up my new NAS. 8x10TB in Z2.
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Jan 11, 2020 22:35
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Constellation I posted:My suggestion would be to use Unraid and repurpose the bunch of drives and the giant tower and leave it in another room or in the corner. I was in a somewhat similar situation as Clanpot Shake and I did exactly this. I've been very happy with Unraid. It took a little bit to get setup, but now I've got my Plex and Calibre dockers up and running in Unraid and it works like a charm with virtually zero issues.
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Jan 11, 2020 23:27
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Not sure if this is the right thread but I want to move about 3tb of files Ave pictures to the cloud to be able to be accessed by Muang and family at anytime, so you guys have any recommendations for how to do this? Most sites seem to have individual storage amounts per user but I just want one big drive to share. I currently use a drobo but don't trust my connection to be able to self host this Thanks goons
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Jan 11, 2020 23:41
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Google Drive with unlimited storage was discussed above?
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Jan 11, 2020 23:46
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I was thinking that but can you have one massive storage drive that all users can access or is it 5 individual boxes?
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Jan 11, 2020 23:50
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Empress Brosephine posted:I was thinking that but can you have one massive storage drive that all users can access or is it 5 individual boxes? One of your users is need family. It has 3tb files.
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ChiralCondensate posted:I don't think anyone mentioned it itt yet, but the 10TB easystores are back at $160.  Woo Time to fill this expansion unit!
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Jan 12, 2020 01:56
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Sniep posted:
guy at best buy: "god drat that bucktoothed cat must have a lot of porn"
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ChiralCondensate posted:guy at best buy: "god drat that bucktoothed cat must have a lot of porn" That's his nose, supposedly, with his mouth shut. (I can see it both ways but it's not supposed to be teeth lol)
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ChiralCondensate posted:guy at best buy: "god drat that bucktoothed cat must have a lot of porn" Given your avatar, I'm not sure I'd blame the porn stash on the ambiguously drawn cat.
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DrDork posted:Given your avatar, I'm not sure I'd blame the porn stash on the ambiguously drawn cat. The last time I picked up a set of easystores, the guy asked if I needed a few more since it looked like I had the room!
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Again considering the avatar, how exactly were you paying and/or carrying those easystores out of the shop?
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Someone on an irc channel I idle in was talking yesterday about how Kirk was managing quite impressive tricks, nowadays. Just saying.
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Sniep posted:
I've got the red light showing on my NAS I'm about 100 GB from my 2TB raid 1 being full. I was stressing while thinking about the cost of 2 x 6 TB drives then I looked at your purchase.
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Jan 13, 2020 05:40
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Devian666 posted:I've got the red light showing on my NAS I'm about 100 GB from my 2TB raid 1 being full. I was stressing while thinking about the cost of 2 x 6 TB drives then I looked at your purchase. Cheaper than the cloud!
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Sniep posted:Cheaper than the cloud! Higher transfer speeds too. At work I've had to alter the backup settings due to storage use growing out of control, such absurd costs for cloud storage. Devian666 fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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Moey posted:Let us know what your upload speeds are like as well. Up to 1.7TB and it's still letting me upload more so I don't think they are enforcing the 5 user minimum for unlimited storage.
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Sniep posted:
Upgraded my DS1515+ to these a few months ago, now I don't need to worry about room for VM's and my 4k/HD film library any more  Also took the opportunity to do the Velcro mod on the drive bays to dampen vibration noise and replaced the rear fans with Noctua NF A8 flx's and its whisper quiet (well, compared to how it was)
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Ars has an article on Linus' recent bout of Linusing around.
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Summary: Linus is the groggiest of the grognards and likes throwing his e-fame around promoting opinions that range from not entirely truthful to just basically lies.
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This is a good summary of the topic. Linus' legal concerns with OpenZFS are well founded, without Oracle's explicit approval there's no reasonable way it could end up in the kernel proper, and as a result the technical issues with how the kernel handles internal interfaces are similar to what we've seen for years with binary GPU drivers. His opinions on ZFS as a filesystem though are pretty much entirely nonsensical and the idea that btrfs is even in the same ballpark is hilarious. wolrah fucked around with this message at 22:28 on Jan 13, 2020 |
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wolrah posted:This is a good summary of the topic. Linus' legal concerns with OpenZFS are well founded, without Oracle's explicit approval there's no reasonable way it could end up in the kernel proper, and as a result the technical issues with how the kernel handles internal interfaces are similar to what we've seen for years with binary GPU drivers. Not that that doesn't prevent Oracle from keeping it tied up in court for a long time if they decided to - but even with Oracles litigious nature in mind, I can't see them suing if they think they're going to lose? Especially when the current limbo is enough to keep ZFS out of Linux.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I can't see them suing if they think they're going to lose? Oh sweet child... The point is often not to win, it's to outlast the other guy.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I think people might be overstating the case a bit - several Illumos developers have independently made observations that more than 50% of the ZFS code has been changed by companies and individuals not affiliated with Oracle since the initial OpenSolaris release. Oracle is willing to sue even if you just use their API. If you rewrite their lines of code, it's hard to see how that's any less derivative of their owrk, since you are using their API plus performing introspection into the code itself. If Oracle loses their API case against google, and you do a cleanroom re-implementation, that should be sufficient according to the letter of the law, but if you attempt to interoperate with their implementation of ZFS they're going to sue you anyway no matter what you do.
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Thermopyle posted:Oh sweet child... I think Larry Ellison is more interested in living forever nowadays, than just having the legacy he's garnered for himself. Paul MaudDib posted:Oracle is willing to sue even if you just use their API. If you rewrite their lines of code, it's hard to see how that's any less derivative of their owrk, since you are using their API plus performing introspection into the code itself. Odd that they haven't gone after some of the biggest companies who use Illumos then. That's technically speaking their code according to this kind of logic.
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D. Ebdrup posted:Odd that they haven't gone after some of the biggest companies who use Illumos then. That's technically speaking their code according to this kind of logic. Distributing ZFS with BSD, MIT, or CDDL licensed code is permissible according to the CDDL. It's not permissible to distribute it with GPLv2 licensed code like the kernel. It is still Oracle's code - they grant you a license to use it under certain terms (CDDL). Using it under the terms of that license is perfectly (well, fairly) safe. If you violate that license, the lawyers come knocking.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Distributing ZFS with BSD, MIT, or CDDL licensed code is permissible according to the CDDL. It's not permissible to distribute it with GPLv2 licensed code like the kernel. They bought Joyent, whose entire business was building a public cloud product on top of Illumos, in the form of the Triton which consists of Zones/Crossbow/Manta on top of ZFS as far as I remember. EDIT: It is.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I was thinking of a little company known as Samsung. You might not have heard of them. You know, they only make electronics, home appliances, cars, hospitals, and probably a few other things. Yes. That's permissible under the CDDL license. Please explain why you think it wouldn't be. It's not permissible to distribute any code alongside the Linux kernel without re-licensing it as GPLv2, which would require adding additional usage restrictions. Adding those usage restrictions would violate the CDDL. In contrast it is perfectly permissible to distribute CDDL code alongside BSD, MIT, or other CDDL licensed code though, which is what Joyent does. Furthermore, as long as Joyent doesn't distribute the resulting code, they can deploy ZFS on Linux inside their cloud all they want. The incompatible licensing terms concern distribution, not usage. End users are free to use ZFS with Linux, it just can't handled as part of the core kernel code. Yes, Oracle are scum, and there is always the risk they come up with some novel legal interpretation that suddenly makes you guilty of violating the license and sue you. Same as they did with Google. But there are specific things the license allows and prohibits and if you don't cross the line it's safe to use... at least as safe as anything Oracle-related can ever be. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Yes. That's permissible under the CDDL license. Please explain why you think it wouldn't be. We just had this discussion about CDDL vs GPL though. It's still not been decided by a judge or has case-law to back it up, and since Linus isn't interested in testing it in court the opinions of lawyers aren't worth the paper they aren't printed on. I'm not sure what you mean about Joyent not distributing things, as they would be in violation of the CDDL if they didn't. And indeed, they do. Triton, manta, SmartOS, and all of their stuff is there. EDIT: It's 3.1 of the CDDL that I'm talking about specifically. EDIT 2: You might say that it's GPL that might or might not be incompatible with CDDL, not the other way around. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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D. Ebdrup posted:I'm gonna be honest, I don't remember what the gently caress my point was. Chemo-brain and tiredness aren't a great combination. I meant that Joyent (or anyone else) can combine GPL and CDDL code in-house perfectly legally (eg like using ZFS on Linux) as long as you don't distribute the result. the GPL re-licensing provisions only kick in if you distribute something. CDDL Provision 3.1 only requires you to distribute source code if you distribute the binaries, so if you are using ZFS on Linux in-house you are fine as long as you don't distribute binaries or source to anyone else. Deploy away on your own cloud, that's perfectly legal. Even in a business context. This obviously basically exempts SAAS from GPL regulation. This perceived loophole is what led to the creation of the Affero GPL, which actually requires you to distribute source code to anyone who connects to your code across a network, even if you are not actually distributing the program itself to them. But the kernel is not AGPL. Sure, it's probably correct to say that it's GPL that is incompatible here. CDDL/BSD/etc allows developers more freedom, including the freedom to deny freedoms to end users. GPL is focused on making sure end users have access to the source for the programs they run, and that means restricting what developers can do with code. Anyway, it's not worth getting way into the weeds on license terms when you're having chemo. Don't worry, Linus just did a dumb and the zfs world will keep turning regardless. Hope you feel better. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Oracle has thought of worse reasons to sue people, Linus just doesn't want more repeats of SCO. His view still isn't unreasonable imho. To bring it back to ZFS: Came home to a degraded array with a disk reporting Checksum 70, unfortunately since I'm using a PERC SAS controller with the disks just being passed through as single disk RAID-0s, as soon as I remove the disk for replacement, it Destroys the RAID-0, and I had to reboot to re-make the RAID-0 disk and then FreeNAS picked it up fine and I could start resilvering. First time I've had a ZFS pool member degrade. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jan 14, 2020 |
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Is that PERC one of the rare ones that can't be flashed to IT mode?
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IOwnCalculus posted:Is that PERC one of the rare ones that can't be flashed to IT mode? Yup, no flashing it to HBA. Haven't seen a performance hit this way, and ZFS/SMART is still able to do its job, so its not really a huge deal. Hopefully disks don't fail at such a rate that I'd need to do this often anyways.
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Hm I've flashed a Perc H200 and I think H310 before with no issues, what model is it?
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There's a handful of LSI cards that can't be flashed - I don't know what PERC it is, but I have a Supermicro that has the same problem. IT firmwares just fail on it.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Anyway, it's not worth getting way into the weeds on license terms when you're having chemo. Don't worry, Linus just did a dumb and the zfs world will keep turning regardless. Hope you feel better.  Regarding controllers that can't be flashed to IT mode, I do wonder if they're the kind that're lower-budget so they simply don't ship with EEPROMs to write the initiator target firmware on? Because I would be surprised if the CPU (typically a 500MHz PowerPC CPU) is any different, as it might be more expensive to replace that many parts on a board vis a vis the longer production line.
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Its the PERC H710, others have tried flashing it with bo luck, most people swap it out fir the H310 Also: Its working fine, so its kinda moot.
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CommieGIR posted:Its the PERC H710, others have tried flashing it with bo luck, most people swap it out fir the H310 The primary issue with a lack of raw device access for ZFS is that ZFS can no longer control when caches are flushed, so there is a risk that a write that ZFS thinks it's flushed to disk hasn't been written to disk yet - but the worst that can happen in that case, of course, that ZFS will have to automatically rewind itself to the last completed transaction group (something it can do nowadays, if I recall correctly), or that you have to do it manually if it fails or you're running an older version). That, and you're SOL once there are no more devices that can read the RAID0-per-device meta-data that the PERC leaves on the disk - but that probably won't be for a little while, at least. Basically, it's not something you'll notice until you get out into the weeds.
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