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freeman posted:Twin existed when modern was at it's peak popularity This is just false, modern is way more popular post-twin.
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On a more interesting topic, it would have been nice if they'd referred to giving white 'symmetrical' draw rather than just calling it symmetrical draw. That would make it clear that they were giving white 'fair' ways to draw cards, rather than bad ways to draw cards
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Rinkles posted:any remorse? No not at all. They were auctioned away on ebay and never represented as anything but loose and picked over.
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Jan 14, 2020 02:58
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Modern is as interactive now as it was when Twin was around idk what y'all are talking about. The deck that just got multiple bans played multiple copies of Cryptic Command and Archmage's Charm as well as significant removal suites. Every time I see people talking about how uninteractive Modern is now compared to five years ago I feel like they just don't actually play much of the format.
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Sampatrick posted:Modern is as interactive now as it was when Twin was around idk what y'all are talking about. The deck that just got multiple bans played multiple copies of Cryptic Command and Archmage's Charm as well as significant removal suites. Every time I see people talking about how uninteractive Modern is now compared to five years ago I feel like they just don't actually play much of the format. People are talking about Modern today like they talked about Legacy 5 years ago.
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AlternateNu posted:People are talking about Modern today like they talked about Legacy 5 years ago. Hyperbolic?
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AlternateNu posted:People are talking about Modern today like they talked about Legacy 5 years ago. I can't believe wotc is going to just abandon modern last year.
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Jan 14, 2020 04:16
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ungulateman posted:long interesting games you lose on the end of your turn 3 I've been turn 4'd by Twin maybe like 3-4 times ever. They often side out a couple of them anyways so it's even less likely after game 1. Cactrot posted:This is just false, modern is way more popular post-twin. More popular than 2.5-4.5k modern GPs?
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Jan 14, 2020 04:33
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freeman posted:
GP's used to be $30-40 to enter instead of $60-80 and that probably has some marginal impact. I can play a local 60ish person monthly modern event with $1k prizes for $25 and have a reasonable shot to cash or go to a GP and have better odds of winning $80 on a scratcher.
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Yeah, I was more speaking to there being more modern events in general rather than peak attendance numbers for any given event. SCG opens are mostly modern these days and they didn't use to be.
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Cactrot posted:Yeah, I was more speaking to there being more modern events in general rather than peak attendance numbers for any given event. SCG opens are mostly modern these days and they didn't use to be. I don't think "they made Standard even worse" is really the glowing endorsement of Modern that you think it is.
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Jan 14, 2020 06:20
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Okotober was worse than Eldrazi winter
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Jan 14, 2020 06:25
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I base the format on how good Jund is. I also want to play Jeskai stoneblade, so I guess I also base the format on how good that is. I have high standards.
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DangerDongs posted:I base the format on how good Jund is. This has always been my feeling. When Jund is playable, the format isn't a complete disaster. Of course, I find Jund to be the most boring deck in the world to play against, and my decks are generally awful against it, so I guess keep the format awful but not unplayable? 
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Jan 14, 2020 08:42
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Huh, apparently the spot I conceded in the final on Sunday was for the players tour which is basically the new pro tour. I had a spot in the pro tour locked up and gave it away o_O I'd have gone 0-x drop anyway I guess.
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ilmucche posted:Huh, apparently the spot I conceded in the final on Sunday was for the players tour which is basically the new pro tour. I had a spot in the pro tour locked up and gave it away o_O Yeah I was wondering why you would do that but I guess you took it in stride.
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Jan 14, 2020 08:47
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Bonus posted:I think I'm the only person on the planet who thinks oko shouldn't have been banned. Like come on modern can handle tron and dredge but not an elko, a 3 mana good midrange value card. Now urza is a different story, dude is a tolaria west on two huge bodies that lets you convert mana into spins and goes infinite with thoptersword. and the microsoft lattice ban is just bullshit. that's my opinion anyway, thanks for reading Oko was hitting 40% in Modern. loving Hogaak didn't hit 40% in Modern. also Oko is just a loving stupid card and I can't imagine a format where its inclusion would make it more fun Urza probably could have been banned over Oko, though Oko eventually would have to have been banned. Urza's probably gonna have to go, though maybe they'll hit Astrolabe in Modern and Legacy to give Urza a little more time. suicidesteve posted:They'll address a possible problem that's not even released yet but not the problems currently ruining other formats. RIP legacy and vintage. Is pauper still ruined forever? in the 40 player invitation only Format Champs, there were 11 Flicker Tron players. 2 of them 0-4ed (lol I didn't win a fuckin' game), the rest went 3-3 or better and 4 of them top 8ed. tron is fuckin' broken and the format is hosed and i was unable to capitalize on my experience with the best deck in the terrible format that is pauper  rabidsquid posted:cheating amulet titan was the single greatest deck in mtg history wasnt it naw it was probably worse than some non-cheating Jar decks, and lasted about as long
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I already had plans, friends from another country have bought tickets to meet up in a third country. Would've been pretty lovely to pull out considering things were arranged so I could be there. Maybe I'll get another chance to play my jank brew on the pro tour one day. Love it when opponents and spectators have to ask what my cards do 
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Hellsau posted:in the 40 player invitation only Format Champs, there were 11 Flicker Tron players. 2 of them 0-4ed (lol I didn't win a fuckin' game), the rest went 3-3 or better and 4 of them top 8ed. Make more videos. They're dumb but I like them.
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Jan 14, 2020 10:11
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So how long until Oko gets banned from Legacy?
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the Orb of Zot posted:So how long until Oko gets banned from Legacy?
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You can probably unban Twin in Modern now that there's things to do with blue besides Bolt-Snap-Bolt. Pod might be fine on power level but it's so repetitive I don't think they'd want it legal.
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Attorney at Funk posted:You can probably unban Twin in Modern now that there's things to do with blue besides Bolt-Snap-Bolt. Pod might be fine on power level but it's so repetitive I don't think they'd want it legal. Collector Ouphe and Karn tell pod to go kick rocks and eat poo poo
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Bust Rodd posted:Collector Ouphe and Karn tell pod to go kick rocks and eat poo poo That's likely true, though "did you draw your hate card y/n" is not one of the things people enjoy about Modern.
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Does the MPL still do stuff? Totally impractical, but they should make them play standard environments from 15+ years ago and see if there's been any improvements in deck building.
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mossyfisk posted:Does the MPL still do stuff? Totally impractical, but they should make them play standard environments from 15+ years ago and see if there's been any improvements in deck building. Yes, that would be interesting to watch, but it would not sell packs of magic the gathering cards, so we're not getting something cool like that.
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mossyfisk posted:Does the MPL still do stuff? Totally impractical, but they should make them play standard environments from 15+ years ago and see if there's been any improvements in deck building. It's a cool idea and I love watching throwback formats like that, but realistically you'd need a lot more time and a lot more people than the MPL to meaningfully figure out if there's room to improve on past formats' metagames.
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ilmucche posted:Love it when opponents and spectators have to ask what my cards do
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Paging Owlbear Camus https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/budget-magic-98-22-tix-cats-pioneer-magic-online?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
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I'd watch GRN standard tournaments all day- that was a great standard.
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Panzeh posted:I'd watch GRN standard tournaments all day- that was a great standard. Magic players, far too stupid to know what was to come: "WotC, we're tired of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria! He's unfun and too powerful for a 'three-mana planeswalker'" WotC: "Three-mana Teferi planeswalker? That's a good idea..."
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Hellsau posted:Magic players, far too stupid to know what was to come: "WotC, we're tired of Teferi, Hero of Dominaria! He's unfun and too powerful for a 'three-mana planeswalker'" Hah. I remember when the big go over the top control deck topper was niv-mizzet and they were starting to bring in drakes to just end the game because of the way the mono red and mono blue decks attacked them. The esper piles that dominated the next two standards were, oof. Kethis and Field of the Dead were a welcome relief but still kinda boring.
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There is no upside to keeping urza in modern. I don’t understand the thought process. Poor leadership all around.
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Sickening posted:There is no upside to keeping urza in modern. I don’t understand the thought process. "Another Modern Horizons ban makes our design team look like a bunch of idiots, which is bad considering we're gonna shove another out the door come hell or high water"
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Remember when they told us cabal therapist was on the high end of the power curve for Modern Horizons?
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Retromancer posted:Remember when they told us cabal therapist was on the high end of the power curve for Modern Horizons? If it would work the same turn it was played it might have been a good card. I am sure it was that way in some part of the design process but deemed too powerful. Imagine if they just printed the loving spell what kind of safety valve could have existed.
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Sickening posted:If it would work the same turn it was played it might have been a good card. I am sure it was that way in some part of the design process but deemed too powerful. Hogaak would’ve blown Modern apart even harder.
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Kyrosiris posted:"Another Modern Horizons ban makes our design team look like a bunch of idiots, which is bad considering we're gonna shove another out the door come hell or high water" This is my pet theory as well, even to the point that two MH1 bans so quickly after its release would have iced any future Horizons sets (but not really because MH1 made a ton of money!)
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How about we just get another Modern Masters set instead and get some reprints out there?
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Sickening posted:There is no upside to keeping urza in modern. I don’t understand the thought process. Poor leadership all around. If you don't consider "people enjoy playing with the card" to be an upside then you could say this about a lot of cards
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