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ratbert90 posted:I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. It’s completely sarcastic.
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CubanMissile posted:Its completely sarcastic. Oh good. With some of the hot takes in this thread one can never be too careful.
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kidkissinger posted:Honestly this all just sucks. I still think Warren is the second best candidate up there and I have defended her and supported her for years. I feel personally hurt by this and I can't be the only one. It was an idiotic move that served absolutely no one. Michael Moore basically says this on his new podcast, out this morning.
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Groovelord Neato posted:Warren voters will fall in line. They are certainly educated enough to understand that. The bigger issue is the "center" needs the left, other wise we relieve 2016 in a worse way.
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Meanwhile you got Don Jr. defending Bernie all over twitter and this whole thing makes me want to die.
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mcmagic posted:Bernie is going to need Warren's voters to win this thing and the entire rest of the party is going to fight against him winning the nomination tooth and nail... It would benefit both of them to make nice on this. Though I thought they were still too weak in going after Biden last night. He tried to make nice multiple times, including attempting to shake her hand. I used to defend Warren's Native American thing, having related (due to half of my family being from Oklahoma and claiming Native too, so I get oral traditions), but at this point she's torpedoing the whole election for no reason. All she's doing is weaponizing Bernie supporters, who feel slighted by this whole thing and confirm the whole "everyone is against Bernie," and at best, would just hold their nose while voting for Biden in the general while not being enthusiastic enough to do anything else, and at worst, will stay home due to that. Warren voters are more likely to just vote straight Dem on the ticket with Bernie as a nominee more than Bernie voters who just won't bother if Biden is.
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Warren keeps trying to back away from socialism, but she sure does love to be publicly owned.
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ratbert90 posted:Warren keeps trying to back away from socialism, but she sure does love to be publicly owned. Excellent
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Let's game out what would happen if this works. Let's say that Warren ends up the nominee. Then what happens in the general? Trump already referenced this debacle at a rally, he said it didn't sound like something Sanders would say. And we've known for months what his anti-Warren strategy would be; "Pocahontas" she lied about being a Native American to advance her career. But now he has a second example of Warren lying to advance her career, and one we all saw her do live on television! That will destroy her credibility. Trump will bring it up constantly and every time he does every single Sanders supporter, which is at least a solid 20% of Dem voters, will be reminded "oh yeah she is a loving liar"
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The defense of the DNA test was always weird because even if you divorced it from racism it makes it clear Warren doesn't have what it takes to go against Trump. What'd she think would happen if it turned out she was half native? Trump would've apologized? Even when it turned out she wasn't native at all Trump still lied and said "I never said that" when it came to challenging her to a DNA test.
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AsInHowe posted:Michael Moore basically says this on his new podcast, out this morning. I'll have to check that out. He has been consistently correct for a long long time.
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Epicurius posted:I guess I'd sort of wonder the opposite. Let's say she's telling the truth and he said a woman couldn't be elected president this year. Would you then not vote for him, and if not, why not? It's not like people are voting for Bernie because he's some infallible saint who'se never said or done anything wrong. If you really think Bernie has the best shot of getting done the things you want, then who really cares that a year ago, he unsuccessfully tried to talk a potential rival out of running. Let's instead say there was some bullshit manufactured controversy implying Sanders broke their truce, and Warren was somehow all set to erupt in a fiery righteous rage attacking him. Except it kinda fell flat because it was, you know, some bullshit fabricated scandal. Then what if the very next day when Sanders ought to be looking untrustworthy after betraying his friend (he doesn't at all), on the eve of debate the outlet hosting the debate drops another bombshell about sexist Bernie telling Warren a woman can't win. Let's not ignore how he's said otherwise for decades, that he encouraged her to run in 2016 and only did so himself once she declined. Let's not ignore that this new bullshit was laundered through "four anonymous sources" when the literal only possible source is Warren herself. CNN, as atrocious as they are, aren't going to risk running a story like that and use it to pump ratings without knowing for a fact she won't refute it. Mysteriously all of this after being warm friends and allies this whole time but now she can't even shake his hand. Biden though, the actually sexist creep who she's well known to strongly dislike? Totally cool. Let's look at what actually happened instead of hypothetically pretending there's no context showing us exactly what this is. But I guess you just don't see why Warren betraying her friend and ally conspicuously at the most politically convenient time to do so in the most manufactured way possible setting up the media to disingenuously attack Sanders non-stop using the language of sexual assault and actual victimhood is such a bad thing. Gee I just don't get what bothers folks about this. I'm sure this sort of poo poo isn't completely destructive to the goal of beating Trump and maybe trying to do literally anything good. Not at all detrimental to the very real problem of sexism.
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I hope Bernie goes after the MSM a bit more. They already call him the Trump of the left at every opportunity so he might as well go all in.
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kidkissinger posted:I'll have to check that out. He has been consistently correct for a long long time. Listening to it now. He is going all in on Warren's history of embellishment, in a calm, caring way.
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Bushido Brown posted:"Bernie could have defanged this whole thing by apologizing for words he didn't say and leaning into the transparent attacked directed at him." Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. Bernie's campaign had the option to draw down tensions and refocus on the positives (like, say, his actual popularity among women). But now his team's reaction basically ensured a nasty debate (one of the last impactful events before the Iowa caucus), and will ensure that the news cycle is focused on this "feud" during the most critical period when Iowans are deciding.
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Jan 15, 2020 15:51
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LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. He didn't say it, so he shouldn't have to apologize for it. That's dumb and a bad thing to do.
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LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. The core truth here is that one candidate has a pattern of consistent integrity, and the other has a pattern of consistent lying. Why allow someone else's lie to make yourself look bad for no reason?
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Gripweed posted:Let's game out what would happen if this works. Let's say that Warren ends up the nominee. Then what happens in the general? Trump already referenced this debacle at a rally, he said it didn't sound like something Sanders would say. And we've known for months what his anti-Warren strategy would be; "Pocahontas" she lied about being a Native American to advance her career. But now he has a second example of Warren lying to advance her career, and one we all saw her do live on television! That will destroy her credibility. Trump will bring it up constantly and every time he does every single Sanders supporter, which is at least a solid 20% of Dem voters, will be reminded "oh yeah she is a loving liar" You think Warren’s gonna be the nominee after months of polling at a distant third because she called one of the other people sexist? Warren will not be the nominee. She just Kamala Harrised herself.
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LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. So he's supposed to say Warren is not just a lier, but is instead just dumb and shrill AND he has to pull a John Kerry and spend his campaign thinking that parsing a conversation is a good strategy?
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Hey guys; I am having a huge debate in my head: Should I believe the guy who has a proven track record of integrity and honesty, was arrested for supporting civil rights, has no history sexism, and has always stood up for gay rights OR A republican turned democrat who has always lied to advance her career when it's convenient to do so? HELP! Who do I believe????
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So, what is the over/under on how long it takes for Russia to release emails showing that the DNC and the media conspired to gently caress over Bernie, again? July?
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ratbert90 posted:Hey guys; I am having a huge debate in my head: What if there was a third way? What if CNN!
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After a long day of supporting womens rights and fighting for equality, Bernie comes home, kicks off his shoes and looks around to make sure nobody is there. ALL WOMEN ARE STUPID loving BITCHHHHEEEEESSSSSSS he screams at the top of his lungs.
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LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding.
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SchrodingersCat posted:So, what is the over/under on how long it takes for Russia to release emails showing that the DNC and the media conspired to gently caress over Bernie, again? July? You didn't think this was going to be easy did you?
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Someone reminded me that warren lied about her kids going to public school to make herself look better too
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Headline was changed from "WARREN TACKLES UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION": https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/cnn-des-moines-register-debate/index.html Let's see how CNN frames this poo poo. quote:Sanders emphatically denied that he made the comment in their private 2018 meeting and a chilly confrontation between the two rivals on stage after the debate -- in which Warren pulled her hand back as Sanders extended his -- suggested their disagreement over the content of their conversation will continue. quote:In a later exchange, Sanders also inexplicably quibbled with Warren's assertion that she was the only person on the stage who had beaten an incumbent Republican anytime in the past 30 years. quote:Buttigieg insisted that he would be able to build up his scant support among black voters. Sanders argued that his unpopular embrace of socialism would not be off-putting to a broader electorate. Despite his millions of dollars of spending on television ads, businessman Tom Steyer said it would not be his wealth that was important to voters, but rather his ability to take on Trump on the issue that matters most to them: the economy. quote:As expected, Sanders faulted Biden for voting in 2002 to authorize the use of force in Iraq while he was a senator for Delaware. Sanders noted that he and Biden listened to the same intelligence from former President George W. Bush and his aides claiming that Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but they voted differently on the Iraq War Resolution. quote:The candidates engaged in a now familiar debate over the varying costs of their health care programs, particularly the "Medicare for All" plan embraced by Sanders and Warren. Klobuchar, who supports building on the Affordable Care Act, called Medicare for All a "pipe dream."
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ratbert90 posted:After a long day of supporting womens rights and fighting for equality, Bernie comes home, kicks off his shoes and looks around to make sure nobody is there. Honestly, same, except replace "women" with "libs"
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Failed Imagineer posted:Honestly, same, except replace "women" with "libs" It's what we all do comrade.
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Jan 15, 2020 16:04
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gently caress this guy. M4A is the only real way forward and that means nobody but Bernie (who also takes the environment the most seriously).
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SKULL.GIF posted:Headline was changed from "WARREN TACKLES UNCOMFORTABLE QUESTION": https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/14/politics/cnn-des-moines-register-debate/index.html That's actually more favorable framing than they gave him at the actual debate. I think this is the CNN version of backing off.
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ratbert90 posted:Hey guys; I am having a huge debate in my head: Have some soup and think it over. 
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SchrodingersCat posted:So, what is the over/under on how long it takes for Russia to release emails showing that the DNC and the media conspired to gently caress over Bernie, again? July? Russia, if you are reading this thread, release the emails.
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Even my dad saw the CNN bias, and he at one point asked "Someone told me Sanders was an antisemite" which broke my heart. So, yeah, I think the sleeper story of the night is the unmasking of the naked media bias.
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Nail Rat posted:gently caress this guy. M4A is the only real way forward and that means nobody but Bernie (who also takes the environment the most seriously). This is the first I’m hearing of this and it’s total bonkers
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kidkissinger posted:Honestly this all just sucks. I still think Warren is the second best candidate up there and I have defended her and supported her for years. I feel personally hurt by this and I can't be the only one. It was an idiotic move that served absolutely no one. it serves capital. get woke fucker
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