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oxsnard posted:https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1217505562360983555 Probably dealing with CHUD spam from the Project Veritas idiocy. They won't stay locked.
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oxsnard posted:yeah gently caress okeefe but this tweet is true I recommend not worrying about something that some shithead liar is telling you is important
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Darko posted:He tried to make nice multiple times, including attempting to shake her hand. I grew up in Oklahoma too, and I went to school with a few Native people who belonged to a tribe and were active in it and they were all pretty cool. I went to school with a ton of white people who had family legends and if you asked about it they would tell you that they have a Chippewa relative way back or whatever, but you wouldn't know about it unless you asked them because it wasn't a part of their life. And I went to school with white people who made that legend part of their identity and pretended to be Native themselves and they were all as self-centered and insufferable as you'd expect from the kind of white person with a need to seem different. That she was still the third thing into her sixties is a huge red flag. I used to say we shouldn't care as long as she's attacking banks because personal stuff is irrelevant (although I changed my mind once she did that dumb blood test proving she learned nothing and that she's a liar who will lose to Trump in a landslide), but now I've learned that you can't ignore that poo poo, if someone is doing hosed up stuff in their personal life they'll probably cause problems professionally too.
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LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. Okay but do you understand the difference between "yes I said X but I didn't intend for it to be sexist therefore it wasn't" and "no I didn't say X" ?
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Lemming posted:I recommend not worrying about something that some shithead liar is telling you is important I am curious as to why, though.
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Jan 15, 2020 20:07
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CPColin posted:My favorite part about the (general) election is that, if somebody I don't like ends up getting the nomination, I can just leave that bubble blank, because I live in California and the Electoral College exists. De La Riva exists and presumably is running again.
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VitalSigns posted:I grew up in Oklahoma too, and I went to school with a few Native people who belonged to a tribe and were active in it and they were all pretty cool. I went to school with a ton of white people who had family legends and if you asked about it they would tell you that they have a Chippewa relative way back or whatever, but you wouldn't know about it unless you asked them because it wasn't a part of their life. And I went to school with white people who made that legend part of their identity and pretended to be Native themselves and they were all as self-centered and insufferable as you'd expect from the kind of white person with a need to seem different. She fooled everyone, even Bernie. Good thing the bad people are so bad at being bad.
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ASAPRockySituation posted:I am curious as to why, though. Would you go to QAnon facebook pages and try to figure out the genesis of every psycho conspiracy theory they're all braying about? No? Then why do the same with this shithead? It's going to be literally nothing and it won't be relevant to anyone for any reason, and he's going to drop it as soon as it doesn't work
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It is incredible that in 2011 Warren actually made the argument that protesters never ever have a right to violate traffic laws:quote:The law applies to everyone. Wall Street protesters should be held accountable if they engage in illegal activity — and so should Wall Street banks. There is no excuse for protesters to violate public safety laws — and no excuse for powerful financial institutions to defraud their customers or investors. And sure, you can argue she's just using the right to protest as a rhetorical device and she just plumb forgot about the civil rights movement. But the conclusion is the same, she has never been an ally.
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Trabisnikof posted:It is incredible that in 2011 Warren actually made the argument that protesters never ever have a right to violate traffic laws: lmao this is the same time period where she was claiming responsibility for Occupy. jfc
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ASAPRockySituation posted:I am curious as to why, though. It's easier to attack Bernie by attacking his associates. After last night, they probably want to lock down and make sure there's absolutely nothing that could be misinterpreted and tortured into a reading that supports the narrative that Bernie hates women because a coordinator prefers the original Ghostbusters.
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Jan 15, 2020 20:18
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LinYutang posted:Bernie could have defanged the whole thing by preemptively apologizing and strongly condemning sexism. Instead his comms team bungled this up and his supporters collectively look like they are mansplaining how women perceive and experience sexism. LinYutang posted:Every man has said words that they didn't believe to be sexist, but are received and experienced as such. Intent is not a magic wand. Apologizing for it shows maturity and understanding. Deliberately misconstruing and skewing the context of what happened might work on your average suburbanite soccer mom but in here we all watched what happened last night and we're aware of Bernie's history on the topic. Whatever you're doing here isn't working.
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moths posted:It's easier to attack Bernie by attacking his associates. Yeah that’s what I’m thinking, it’s just interesting that they were all told to lock them. I’m guessing Faiz is having someone comb them because he saw one objectionable tweet and thought there may be more. Other guy is right though, it’s almost certainly nothing.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Did anyone actually ask Pete about this plan, because what the hell Yes he was asked about that, and he basically said that his goal is making it so there's no longer any such thing as an uninsured American, and that won't happen without a mandate, and his mandate will be impossible to avoid. And the media calls Sanders' plan unpopular lol, there'd be pitchforks and torches in the streets once people started getting retroactive bills for coverage they never bought. E: quote:PHILLIP: Mayor Buttigieg, you're selling your plan as Medicare for all who want it, yet your plan would automatically enroll uninsured Americans into a public option, even if they don't want it, and force them to pay for it. How is that truth in advertising? http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/2001/14/se.02.html
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SchrodingersCat posted:So, what is the over/under on how long it takes for Russia to release emails showing that the DNC and the media conspired to gently caress over Bernie, again? July? Dude the DNC is way too smart for that! You don’t think each email they sent has a disclaimer on the bottom saying that this message is only for the intended recipient?
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lmao Warren is creating left unity https://twitter.com/AliMortell/status/1217357451730857985?s=20
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BrianBoitano posted:lol that ratio on her own page Her facebook page and twitter are entirely people yelling at her for this. so many people talking about how they thought she could unify the party but they are done with her now. This is going to literally end her campaign.
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Gripweed posted:lmao Warren is creating left unity DSA anti-electoralists.
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kidkissinger posted:that internet leftist grim reaper meme is not a loving joke This is the stage of person rocking the Coke machine where the Coke machine has clearly fallen on top of them and the cans just slowly sadly rolling out. Mission accomplished! Your campaign is now at the center of the media circus!
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VitalSigns posted:I grew up in Oklahoma too, and I went to school with a few Native people who belonged to a tribe and were active in it and they were all pretty cool. I went to school with a ton of white people who had family legends and if you asked about it they would tell you that they have a Chippewa relative way back or whatever, but you wouldn't know about it unless you asked them because it wasn't a part of their life. And I went to school with white people who made that legend part of their identity and pretended to be Native themselves and they were all as self-centered and insufferable as you'd expect from the kind of white person with a need to seem different. The whole "Yeah, I guess I have some Native American blood! Pretty cool, huh!" thing is super common among middle class white people. Nothing particularly wrong with that, though it does demonstrate a general misunderstanding of what it means to claim tribal heritage. The thing is that most people don't take it to the level of putting it on their professional licenses, job applications, etc. That is a whole different level of weird that's approaching Rachel Dolezal type appropriation. If I knew someone who did that (without an actual basis in tribal membership or obvious familial relations) I would file them under "weird narcissist."
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What the gently caress was her endgame? Lose any possible crossover for her in IA? She just guaranteed her loss in IA, NH, NV. What the gently caress was the point of all this?! She knows how caucuses work, right?
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kidkissinger posted:Her facebook page and twitter are entirely people yelling at her for this. so many people talking about how they thought she could unify the party but they are done with her now. This is going to literally end her campaign. Those replies are grim. It's not just people saying that she won't be their second choice anymore - there's a sizable contingent who don't even LIKE Sanders who are saying they were put off by her actions in the debate.
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I remember back in 2014 D&D still had a bunch of reactionary shitheads who would brigade in from GBS every time a man was accused of rape, to strawman #BelieveWomen as a ridiculous sexist mantra that meant women could never lie and every accusation of a man by a woman must be automatically deemed true and the man convicted without evidence. No amount of patient explanation would ever get them to concede that far too often rape accusations are dismissed out of hand and that "believe women" just means that her complaint should be believed the same as every other complaint is believed and investigated in good faith. It is in-loving-credible that here we are six years later and supposed "progressives" are championing the absurd right-wing strawman made up to discredit #BelieveWomen
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:What the gently caress was her endgame? Lose any possible crossover for her in IA? She just guaranteed her loss in IA, NH, NV. What the gently caress was the point of all this?! She's already been declared the winner of the debate. 90% of the people who watched aren't going to read any of the follow-up. Her goal was to buy herself a fighting chance of emerging as a feminist icon at the cost of Bernie and his voters. Naked opportunism.
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https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1217513136846200833?s=19 If you click through to the poll you'll be surprised to find that that's not really what the results say! Warren had the biggest gain in favorability, apparently, but Bernie and Biden already have such high favorability they basically can't gain on this metric.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1217513136846200833?s=19 Bezos lost $10bn this year due to his divorce, whereas I got a raise, therefore I had the better year
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:What the gently caress was her endgame? Lose any possible crossover for her in IA? She just guaranteed her loss in IA, NH, NV. What the gently caress was the point of all this?! probably not, she is pretty dumb not being able to count to 30 and all
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:What the gently caress was her endgame? Lose any possible crossover for her in IA? She just guaranteed her loss in IA, NH, NV. What the gently caress was the point of all this?! Final desperate Hail Mary to sink Bernie because her campaign could see the writing on the wall. Then they hosed it up because Clinton staffers. VitalSigns posted:I remember back in 2014 D&D still had a bunch of reactionary shitheads who would brigade in from GBS every time a man was accused of rape, to strawman #BelieveWomen as a ridiculous sexist mantra that meant women could never lie and every accusation of a man by a woman must be automatically deemed true and the man convicted without evidence. No amount of patient explanation would ever get them to concede that far too often rape accusations are dismissed out of hand and that "believe women" just means that her complaint should be believed the same as every other complaint is believed and investigated in good faith. Turning yourself into a rightwing caricature of a liberal to own the left.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:https://twitter.com/ClareMalone/status/1217513136846200833?s=19 It is statistical malpractice to write a "Warren won" based on the numbers presented. They present Warren as winning because her average grade was 0.2 higher than Bernie's.
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VitalSigns posted:It is in-loving-credible that here we are six years later and supposed "progressives" are championing the absurd right-wing strawman made up to discredit #BelieveWomen I'm legitimately upset that we're applying language meant to protect sexual assault and rape survivors to the claims of someone who says that she heard a bad opinion.
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Unoriginal Name posted:Will never stop laughing at how manufactured this "scandal" is The coordination between Warren and CNN was painfully obvious.
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joepinetree posted:It is statistical malpractice to write a "Warren won" based on the numbers presented. They present Warren as winning because her average grade was 0.2 higher than Bernie's. Her net favorability jumped 3.8% and Bernie's dropped 3.9%. Steyer, Klob, and Butt all gained ~5. Joe dropped 1.7%.
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joepinetree posted:It is statistical malpractice to write a "Warren won" based on the numbers presented. They present Warren as winning because her average grade was 0.2 higher than Bernie's. Here you're assuming that they actually give a solitary gently caress about the numbers presented. moths posted:I'm legitimately upset that we're applying language meant to protect sexual assault and rape survivors to the claims of someone who says that she heard a bad opinion. Always remember that the end goal of liberal feminism isn't to achieve justice for the oppressed but the shield the upper classes from criticism.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:What the gently caress was her endgame? Lose any possible crossover for her in IA? She just guaranteed her loss in IA, NH, NV. What the gently caress was the point of all this?! I think she believed she could turn some of those "Bernie first choice, Warren second choice" voters into "Warren first choice" voters. They're the two with the most ideological overlap in their supporters (even if I think that overlap is often overstated), so she probably saw Bernie voters as the most likely pickup for her and decided to go on the attack to get them. That doesn't appear to have worked. The big question in my mind isn't whether either of them lost their core supporters--my guess is that both are standing strong--but whether their mutual "second choice" thing is going to stand, and whether this will make it harder for either of them to win new supporters.
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