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If it's going to go through traditional distribution that means the distributors will be buying it from Restoration Games for $60 a copy and then moving it to the retailers for $75 who will then sell it for whatever they want. The only way they're going to prevent that is to completely control the supply chain by direct sales only and that isn't what they have done in the past so I don't know why they would do it in the future. edit: I'm not trying to convince anyone not to back it, I just don't plan to considering the price point and my expectations based on their release and distribution history. Supporting the creator directly through kickstarter is always going to do more for them then buying in retail.
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Neither am I, I'm just gonna post what they said in the actual KS which is frankly what I should have done in the first place:
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moths posted:See also: Only kids with downstairs neighbors owning the NES exercise mat. Here’s the only opening I’ll get to tell this personal aside. I wasn’t surprised when older people bought Wii Sports, because I had already been surprised 25 years earlier when the widow next door turned out to own an NES and only Track and Field.
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The main reason to back Oath is that Leder has a tradition of small print runs. They will have a retailer pledge, but we don't know if there will be enough of them to prevent stores for immediately selling out a week after release. So this is about the FOMO on a small print run rather that the FOMO on exclusives and minis.
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GrandpaPants posted:What do retailers (assuming brick and mortar and not Amazon) do with these luxury board games? Do they actually move? I don’t know about in stores but they show up at retailer booths at cons, certainly.
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nesbit37 posted:Yeah, big day today: There's also Monolith's Beyond the Monolith kickstarter, which you'd think would be big based on their past success, but is kind of a weird concept and looks like it might not fund. If you like the combat system used in their Conan and Batman games apparently this will give you a ruleset to use them (and presumably future releases if this does well) in a theme agnostic skirmish wargame. Kudos to them for setting an honest funding goal and trying something new with stretch goals, although with the way the KS is going it looks like the lesson might be "don't do those things" 
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The Moon Monster posted:There's also Monolith's Beyond the Monolith kickstarter, which you'd think would be big based on their past success, but is kind of a weird concept and looks like it might not fund. If you like the combat system used in their Conan and Batman games apparently this will give you a ruleset to use them (and presumably future releases if this does well) in a theme agnostic skirmish wargame. Kudos to them for setting an honest funding goal and trying something new with stretch goals, although with the way the KS is going it looks like the lesson might be "don't do those things"
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Oath looks really good but like all board games, I don't think I'd ever play it.
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I know Zombicide sells ok at my LGS. Also if you had a big market (like LA, Chicago, NY) it might be worth it to grab a couple all-ins for markup or for online selling. I will chime in and say that in NYC, a lot of game stores avoid KS pledges cause there are too many "savvy" people that just would rather hide in their basement than deal with other assholes to buy the same game, albeit at a markup cause LGS needs to make their lovely profit too. Not to say game stores havent done their fair share of KS pledges, but they're not as prevalent as people make them out to be, from what I've seen here.
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There is of course a difference between a retailer backing a Kickstarter with a retailer pledge level and the game being printed for regular retail distribution. Zombicide is in regular retail distribution. Not all of these games will be. FWIW, the Dark Tower all-in pledge includes nearly $70 worth of minis you super don't need and apparently actually make the game a bit more awkward to play unless you also get an neoprene board addon (which is substantially bigger) that is...not actually in the "all-in" pledge level. A gameplay all-in would "only" be about $155. Which is still a whole lot for what they're making, in my book. But...I dunno. I'll have to watch a playthrough video and see what I think. The aesthetic design at least is very strong.
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I saw a few new kickstarters that were for expansions/remakes of previous games. I was wondering if anybody here is familiar with those games they are expansions to/remakes of and what they are like. Very Pretty Paleozoic Pals: Permian Nations, an expansion to some pen & paper game called Troika! Master of Wills - Bloodcrown, an expansion to what looks like an LCG called Master of Wills School for Sorcery, a game that is an updated redo of a previous game called Institute for Magical Arts Never Going Home Campaign Dossiers, some mission add-ons for a pen & paper pulp horror rpg about world war 1 called Never Going Home If anyone has any experience with any of these titles, please let me know what your experience was like. Unrelated to any of that, I saw this up on kickstarter and it looks like it could be neat but I'd need to watch the gameplay to be sure. I imagine it could easily end up as a game where they spent more time thinking about the modular miniatures than making the game fun. Shiver Me Timbers, a sandbox-style game where I guess players choose hidden goals at the start and try to perform various different tasks that'd go towards fulfilling those goals. I don't know what that genre is called. I think there's a wild west themed game that is the same kinda thing in terms of "you have a lot of ways to score points, go do whatever best suits you" but I don't remember the game's name.
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Lots of people are posting in the Oath kickstarter to complain about the shipping prices. Is this the first kickstarter that's been affected by the US raising postage rates? I suppose prospective backers are in for more pain in the future... E: Yeah, I don't think Leder is screwing people over, but $70 shipping is a lot. Safety Biscuits fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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Safety Biscuits posted:Lots of people are posting in the Oath kickstarter to complain about the shipping prices. Is this the first kickstarter that's been affected by the US raising postage rates? I suppose prospective backers are in for more pain in the future... Yeah, shipping is just as expensive as hell now. I think people getting used to free shipping from Amazon has really warped everyone's expectations.
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Safety Biscuits posted:Lots of people are posting in the Oath kickstarter to complain about the shipping prices. Is this the first kickstarter that's been affected by the US raising postage rates? I suppose prospective backers are in for more pain in the future... I'm being thick where does it say estimated shipping prices?
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This came up with Glitch, too. Jenna eventually worked in international shipping because people wanted it, but it's potentially very, very expensive. Meanwhile, Glitch has dropped its second backer update and hit $50,000 around the same time, meaning that the hardship tiers will get the final PDF of the book.
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FirstAidKite posted:Never Going Home Campaign Dossiers, some mission add-ons for a pen & paper pulp horror rpg about world war 1 called Never Going Home Never Going Home is incredibly popular. They sold out of books on the first day of PAX U because they didn't anticipate how much of a demand there would be. I haven't played it yet but my friend got it shipped after the convention, and they were nice enough to throw in a player journal for free because at PAX we'd talked to one of the guys who writes for it and he was apologetic about not having any copies. We'll hopefully play soon.
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by.a.teammate posted:I'm being thick where does it say estimated shipping prices? If you scroll about halfway down the page, there's a section for Shipping and Timeline, with a link to a shipping chart.
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by.a.teammate posted:I'm being thick where does it say estimated shipping prices? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G5zqp73KRxNfxCeyykZLFa9L3rPh4IOO_szkhYCNrrw/edit#gid=0
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I was pretty excited about Oath but the gameplay video in the kickstarter isn't really selling me on the game yet. Any other information out there on this game?
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There's a 11-part designer diary here: https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/3100467/oath-chronicles-empire-and-exile/news. If you aren't sold on the game after reading all of those, you definitely shouldn't back it.
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Do we know how involved Childres was with Dsrk tower? Is he just licensing his name now or is this a him game?
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FirstAidKite posted:I saw a few new kickstarters that were for expansions/remakes of previous games. I was wondering if anybody here is familiar with those games they are expansions to/remakes of and what they are like. Troika! is based off Advanced Fighting Fantasy. It’s simple, easy to understand, cleverly written, but the core mechanic is disappointingly weighted. It’s a type of Britwave retroclone, but with the D&D replaced with a simpler system.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Do we know how involved Childres was with Dsrk tower? Is he just licensing his name now or is this a him game? It's a co-game between him and Rob Daviau. He was very involved. Rob called the Alliances expansion "Isaac's baby" in an interview. There's also an interview where the two of them discuss working together here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCsSmC-Lujc
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DalaranJ posted:Troika! is based off Advanced Fighting Fantasy. It’s simple, easy to understand, cleverly written, but the core mechanic is disappointingly weighted. It’s a type of Britwave retroclone, but with the D&D replaced with a simpler system.
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Safety Biscuits posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G5zqp73KRxNfxCeyykZLFa9L3rPh4IOO_szkhYCNrrw/edit#gid=0 Why is that pissing people off? $70 is rest of world, and that’s almost certainly due to the US shipping prices. They are even eating a portion of the costs themselves.
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People are still used to shipping costs that predate the new global postal order (before July 2020) and are even more heavily subsidized by the company.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Oath looks really good but like all board games, I don't think I'd ever play it. I really just want clean digital versions of all Leder Games art forever. But I don’t care for that sort of game.
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Safety Biscuits posted:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G5zqp73KRxNfxCeyykZLFa9L3rPh4IOO_szkhYCNrrw/edit#gid=0 Thanks! $20 ain't bad for the UK
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Beyond the Monolith promptly cancelled its campaign today just after going live. Was it axed due to funding issues or an IP holder C&D?
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Father Wendigo posted:Beyond the Monolith promptly cancelled its campaign today just after going live. Was it axed due to funding issues or an IP holder C&D? It wasn't doing well with finding, so I expect that was the reason. It's a decent idea but that was an uninspiring and badly presented campaign
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's a co-game between him and Rob Daviau. He was very involved. Rob called the Alliances expansion "Isaac's baby" in an interview. There's also an interview where the two of them discuss working together here: Also, here's what Childres wrote in the Cephalofair Games newsletter a few days ago: quote:Oh no, I have to do it again! I have to delay my regularly scheduled video game rant because there is Very Important News. I mean, it may not be as exciting as a Frosthaven announcement, but maybe it is. I'll let you be the judge. So yeah, it sounds like he was pretty deep involved on the design side.
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Yeah OK I guess I'm out on Oath and in on Dark Tower. I expect this to change 1-2 more times.
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Just remember that unless you're absolutely super-horny for miniatures you can back Dark Tower at $155 and get every single piece of gameplay they're offering for the exact same price as the original Dark Tower (adjusted for inflation, of course). Yes your monsters will be standees but the original game literally only had one mini for the Dragon and no minis at all for the Brigands, so big whoop.
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DalaranJ posted:Troika! is based off Advanced Fighting Fantasy. It’s simple, easy to understand, cleverly written, but the core mechanic is disappointingly weighted. It’s a type of Britwave retroclone, but with the D&D replaced with a simpler system. Troika's big selling point is that the pregen characters are extremely bonkers and fun to play with. The book is lovely as well, I'm going to get a physical copy of this one.
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DalaranJ posted:Troika! is based off Advanced Fighting Fantasy. It’s simple, easy to understand, cleverly written, but the core mechanic is disappointingly weighted. It’s a type of Britwave retroclone, but with the D&D replaced with a simpler system. 90s Cringe Rock posted:The core mechanic is bad and always was, but it fulfils the function of being a core mechanic that just does its thing while you play the game, and all the other stuff is more interesting. What's the core mechanic and what is the other more interesting stuff that makes it worth looking at?
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:Just remember that unless you're absolutely super-horny for miniatures you can back Dark Tower at $155 and get every single piece of gameplay they're offering for the exact same price as the original Dark Tower (adjusted for inflation, of course). Yes your monsters will be standees but the original game literally only had one mini for the Dragon and no minis at all for the Brigands, so big whoop.
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golden bubble posted:There's a 11-part designer diary here: https://boardgamegeek.com/forum/3100467/oath-chronicles-empire-and-exile/news. If you aren't sold on the game after reading all of those, you definitely shouldn't back it. It's kind of annoying how little the campaign page itself says about the game. It seems like there's a ton of info out there, but if you just look at kickstarter you'll only have the vaguest idea of what playing the game actually entails. Doctor Zero posted:Why is that pissing people off? $70 is rest of world, and that’s almost certainly due to the US shipping prices. They are even eating a portion of the costs themselves. Pissed off or not there's no way I would pay $70 in shipping for a $90 game. If I was in "rest of world" I would probably just wait for retail, although I have no idea what boardgame retail is like in Laos or whatever... The Moon Monster fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jan 15, 2020 |
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FirstAidKite posted:What's the core mechanic and what is the other more interesting stuff that makes it worth looking at? 2d6 + skill. Opposed for combat. But the skill values are fairly uneven, so having a poor combat score tends to be frustrating despite the mechanics speed of use. e: If you get a negative combat roll, you take damage. The setting is Planescape by way of 2000 A.D. You generate a character from a list of prebuilts with a single die roll, and the characters are delightfully bizarre.
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DalaranJ posted:2d6 + skill. Opposed for combat. But the skill values are fairly uneven, so having a poor combat score tends to be frustrating despite the mechanics speed of use. The biggest influences on Troika's setting are The Dying Earth and the Book of the New Sun, and if that doesn't sell it for you I don't know what to say. I also love their dragons.
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