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orange juche posted:Positional authority is the term for the person who is acting on behalf of the commander, sometimes it's coat tail riding sometimes it's legitimate. Depends on the situation really. The difference is akin to your sibling saying "if you don't do this, I'm telling dad" and "dad told me to tell you to do this."
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Usually it's not some private fucknuts running around giving orders on behalf of a general. You will see it happen between enlisted members of a commanders staff and a command they are I guess embedded with. I can only use naval scenarios because that's what I have experience with. Example Petty Officer 2nd class Schmuckatelli comes down to the communications shop and tells us the the Admiral's NIPR computer isn't working, and basically orders someone from the comms shop to come fix it. That would fly if they're a member of the commander's staff, and also the commander's comms guy. If they're not both of those, often they will be told to get lost.
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Dat gap.
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“positional authority” awesome. thanks for the responses!
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AARP LARPer posted:Thanks for letting me pop in here real quick. I have a dumb question that doesn't merit a thread and you seem like a decent lot. The kind of authority being thrown around because of who someone works for won't get extended to some junior enlisted dude. If an officer is high ranking enough that people working for him have that kind of clout to throw around, they're usually wearing stars and are telling junior officers to do their bidding. Well, they're telling senior officers to tell the junior officers to do their bidding, really.
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In the Navy a captain in charge of a small command will have a master chief who follows him around and yells “stand bye” and other stuff you better pay attention to.
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Navy Example. The aide's themselves will all be pretty senior. Lets say you've got an middling Admiral, an O-8. He'll have a commander (O-5) as senior errand boy to go tell other important people messages on the admirals behalf and handle scheduling etc. Each of them will have a senior enlisted, a Master Chief (E-9), as their enforcers. Master Chiefs have authority because they've been in the service for longer than most officers and actually know whats going on. They get positional authority as well because they're part of the Admirals staff. Then you have the gophers. This will be one or two promising junior officers, Lieutenants (O-3). These tend to be either exceptionally smart guys who still have energy to do their jobs or bootlicking academy grads who are friendly with the right people. They follow along and do miscellaneous work, both for the senior officers and the senior enlisted. Then you get down to the minions. The staff gremlins who do the daily grind, E-5's and E-6s. The only positional authority they get is when they're doing normal job things and people are being uncooperative. Now the implicit positional authority is when you're in their office and trying to get them to do something YOU want them to do for you, and they can mostly just slow roll you if they don't want to do it because whatever it is is ~surely~ less important than the work for the admiral. Also since they're on the admirals staff they will gently caress you over out of spite if you are a dick to them. "Our shipping receipts say you never submitted that critical package due friday, so sad" sort of quiet revenge. McNally posted:The kind of authority being thrown around because of who someone works for won't get extended to some junior enlisted dude. If an officer is high ranking enough that people working for him have that kind of clout to throw around, they're usually wearing stars and are telling junior officers to do their bidding. Yeah the junior enlisted in this scenario is a minion, but one of many lesser minions.
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The general rule is don't be a dick and people won't be dicks to you. A potential favor in the future is (almost) always worth more than just loving some random guy over.
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As a side note it's fun from the outside looking in when a junior officer comes to you and asks what they should do in X situation and you tell them to grow a pair and figure it out (noncritical situation obviously, if they actually need help or will gently caress poo poo up I give advice). Id have never been able to do that as an enlisted dork but it's fun to do it to young officers now, I can see why senior enlisted enjoy it.
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loving slenderman on the cover of Time. Never thought I'd see the day.
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Godholio posted:loving slenderman on the cover of Time. Never thought I'd see the day. Donny is going to be pissed that it isn't himself.
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Not slender, barely a man
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 06:33 |
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Is that even a mens suit? I suspect there are shoulder pads in that jacket.
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 06:45 |
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The Spopy fanfiction secret nerd scientists wikipedia AKA SCP is having a contest to fill its #5000 slot. Someone wrote the years 2016-2020 as an anomaly. Its a delight
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ElMaligno posted:The Spopy fanfiction secret nerd scientists wikipedia AKA SCP is having a contest to fill its #5000 slot. Someone wrote the years 2016-2020 as an anomaly. What is scp and spopy and all those other words.
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government report fanfiction
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Bored As gently caress posted:What is scp and spopy and all those other words. There once was a website that had some cool spooky stories written as if they were file entries in a government database. Now it’s famous enough that there are thousands of trash entries and it’s the deviant art of horror fan fiction. Here for example is a collection of not entirely trash tales written by a good goon writer. http://www.scp-wiki.net/antimemetics-division-hub
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M_Gargantua posted:There once was a website that had some cool spooky stories written as if they were file entries in a government database. Now it’s famous enough that there are thousands of trash entries and it’s the deviant art of horror fan fiction. Dang I spent a lot of time on SCP back in the day (a few years ago). I remember someone invented a Thing that couldn't be killed by anything and they put a lot of Things in the cell with it to try and kill it and they all failed. It was like the Cabin in the Woods cells in report form if that makes any sense sharknado slashfic fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Jan 17, 2020 |
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sharknado slashfic posted:Dang I spent a lot of time on SCP back in the day (a few years ago). I remember someone invented a Thing that couldn't be killed by anything and they put a lot of Things in the cell with it to try and kill it and they all failed. SCP-682
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Did they ever remove the pregnant child rape one or are they still refusing to remove some libertarian's jackoff fantasies?
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 09:42 |
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As far as I know the site staff removed all the rape poo poo a few years back, and if the one you're thinking of is the one I'm thinking of, it doesn't even imply that anymore. My favourite entry is still SCP-294, the drink vending machine that will do its damnedest to either find you whatever you punch in, whether or not it's a good idea, or get you something that's "technically correct".
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Kazinsal posted:As far as I know the site staff removed all the rape poo poo a few years back, and if the one you're thinking of is the one I'm thinking of, it doesn't even imply that anymore. Lord help you if you punch in red phosphorous instead of red phosphate.
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C.M. Kruger posted:Did they ever remove the pregnant child rape one or are they still refusing to remove some libertarian's jackoff fantasies? 231 Its been made less overt about that and has been folded into Scarlet King bullshit. Its still bad and i hate it.
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fknlo posted:Well that's certainly a thing. Can't believe the administration would lie about that. There's no way that wasn't going to come out at some point. because nobody gives a poo poo what happened. the point is to make sure you tell the story first, not that you tell the story correctly. the economy could plummet into a depression overnight and as long as the white house's official stance is that everything is fine, then people will think it is fine while standing in line for bread *as long as they heard that everything was fine before they heard we are in a depression* this is reality now. be the first one to shout instead of the first one to be right.
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Stanley Goodspeed posted:I kind of thought the entire point of drones was that it was way more okay to have a robot plane get blown up compared to a real live person so seeing these noble sky aces trying to keep their plane insurance from spiking is pretty wild, but I guess this is the same Army that catastrophically combined two helicopters in flight attempting to find a single handgun. When I was doing UAV ops in the neighborhood, I assumed that if Hezbollah or the IRGC lobbed some missiles like this, I'd be getting the birds in the air and dodging explosions. Reason being, risk of the missiles being the first wave of something bigger and having the cameras in the air would be the best early warning if something ground based was coming next.
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I assume drones are not much different to get in the air than conventional aircraft (fueling, starting, taxiing to the runway, etc.), so having an "oh poo poo, incoming" button that automatically has them take off and circle wherever they are is not practical?
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Brb gonna make a conex box that can be set up as a catapult to instantly fling drones in the air. Maybe toss some rockets on them too.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...af6d_story.html quote:“I want to win,” he said. “We don’t win any wars anymore . . . We spend $7 trillion, everybody else got the oil and we’re not winning anymore.”
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 14:28 |
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When linking to something like the washington post, can you just inline the entire article? Likewise if anyone finds anything on the wall street journal they want posted lemme know.
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 14:30 |
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Here's some light reading about the Musk/Tesla ponzi: https://www.plainsite.org/realitycheck/tsla.pdf
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Mr. Nice! posted:When linking to something like the washington post, can you just inline the entire article? Likewise if anyone finds anything on the wall street journal they want posted lemme know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWmkwaTQ0k&t=11s
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stealie72 posted:Paraphrasing here: Just what I was thinking of. Here's the full article: WaPo posted:By
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"Mattis opened with a slide show punctuated by lots of dollar signs" Lmao
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Pretty telling that Trump replaced anyone who ever stood up to him for any reason with a bunch of knob-slobbering yes-men.
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It’s at times like these that I remember the right wing press allegations that Obama was disdainful and disrespectful to Are Troops. No doubt they’ll soon be coming out of in full force against Trump’s actual disdain and disrespect!
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# ? Jan 17, 2020 16:09 |
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I thought 2019 was the year everything and everyone was baby, but I guess it's this whole cursed timeline.
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Kesper North posted:Lord help you if you punch in red phosphorous instead of red phosphate. Red mercury
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MA-Horus posted:Pretty telling that Trump replaced anyone who ever stood up to him for any reason with a bunch of knob-slobbering yes-men. My current hypothesis is that conservatism stems ultimately from egotism. My source is reality itself
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Milo and POTUS posted:My current hypothesis is that conservatism stems ultimately from egotism. My source is reality itself I think fear is a better answer.
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stealie72 posted:Paraphrasing here: I cannot go into specifics, but let's hypothetically assume I have had work experience with an employer where a constant in-joke at completely un-realizable planning scenarios by upper management would be sarcastically be commented on (behind closed doors) as "well, I guess Steiner's going to straighten all of this out". Man, how wild would that be, huh?
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