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If only project Genesis didn't have the unfortunate side effect of being a weapon of mass destruction.
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When I was a kid and watching Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock it took me an embarassingly long time to realise why Genesis was a WMD, after all it's life from lifelessness. Somehow it didn't click that in order to make life, it has to destroy whatever's there first.
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Jan 17, 2020 09:12
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Most of them also tend to have intelligent occupants, too, because you can't spit in the Star Trek galaxy without hitting a sapient humanoid life form. Yeah, kind of the point is terraforming allows you to create a habitable planet on your terms, less rolling of the dice. And avoiding issues like being located in a contested zone, having existing sentient life, a surprisingly horrifically deadly creature, etc. Apparently some EU stuff with the Genesis Device notes it can create a biome from a programmed template, and some of the unstable environments as a result are from easter eggs being left in of the programmers making absurd video game style maps with incompatible biomes next door to each other.
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Jan 17, 2020 09:17
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8one6 posted:If you're going to do 10, you might as well finish out the first season since that's almost half anyway. Hey now, Genesis is in season 7.
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Jan 17, 2020 09:26
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MikeJF posted:Insurrection commentary. I’m imagining an MST3K style show with them in silhouette. Rotate a guest star (Spiner, Dorn, McFadden, etc) for the third seat.
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Jan 17, 2020 10:56
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All that terraforming potential and those Native Americans still got shunted to the desert hell planet next door to Cardassia. I'm sure the Dominion left them alone right? 
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Jan 17, 2020 14:45
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Terraforming a good candidate by TNG's time takes 30 years to take a planet to habitable, though it may take longer to make it ideal. And it's pretty automated, with only a handful of people doing it, and those tend to consider it a joy to do (apparently there's a certain obsessive kind of person who loves going and spending 30 years nearly alone building a planet), so there's no reason not to terraform all the ones lying in the middle of the Federation.
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Jan 17, 2020 15:00
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Humerus posted:All that terraforming potential and those Native Americans still got shunted to the desert hell planet next door to Cardassia. Warp Trail of Tears
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Jan 17, 2020 15:31
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All (I think) the Star Trek Discovery ebooks are on sale: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XM3XMBQ?ref_=dbs_r_series&storeType=ebooks Same prices on Google Play, iOS, and other ebook stores. I'm at least buying the one about Pike's Enterprise but I certainly don't care enough about the other Disco characters to read the rest. IIRC unlike other Trek books, the writers on Disco somehow contributed to these or advised on them or something to that effect.
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Jan 17, 2020 15:43
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MikeJF posted:Terraforming a good candidate by TNG's time takes 30 years to take a planet to habitable, though it may take longer to make it ideal. And it's pretty automated, with only a handful of people doing it, and those tend to consider it a joy to do (apparently there's a certain obsessive kind of person who loves going and spending 30 years nearly alone building a planet), so there's no reason not to terraform all the ones lying in the middle of the Federation. 30 years if you don't get shot with a laser by something calling you an ugly bag of mostly water
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Jan 17, 2020 17:17
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:Most of them also tend to have intelligent occupants, too, because you can't spit in the Star Trek galaxy without hitting a sapient humanoid life form. Yeah. Terraforming something nobody is using lets you avoid all the ethical issues of disrupting extant ecosystems. Plus M class is just habitable, not necessarily pleasant for your species. Sure you can live on Vulcan but it has horrible gravity, scorching heat, and less oxygen.
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Jan 17, 2020 17:31
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Grand Fromage posted:Yeah. Terraforming something nobody is using lets you avoid all the ethical issues of disrupting extant ecosystems. Plus M class is just habitable, not necessarily pleasant for your species. Sure you can live on Vulcan but it has horrible gravity, scorching heat, and less oxygen. I mean, people somehow live in Australia... MikeJF posted:Terraforming a good candidate by TNG's time takes 30 years to take a planet to habitable, though it may take longer to make it ideal. And it's pretty automated, with only a handful of people doing it, and those tend to consider it a joy to do (apparently there's a certain obsessive kind of person who loves going and spending 30 years nearly alone building a planet), so there's no reason not to terraform all the ones lying in the middle of the Federation. As said, it totally makes sense that professional terraformers have a reputation as lunatics with God complexes.
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Jan 17, 2020 18:24
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MikeJF posted:Terraforming a good candidate by TNG's time takes 30 years to take a planet to habitable, though it may take longer to make it ideal. And it's pretty automated, with only a handful of people doing it, and those tend to consider it a joy to do (apparently there's a certain obsessive kind of person who loves going and spending 30 years nearly alone building a planet)
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Jan 18, 2020 00:11
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The replacement host on the Mission Log podcast seems like a swell guy. I think the show is going to go up in quality ahead.
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Jan 18, 2020 00:19
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Oh, that’s lovely.  
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Jan 18, 2020 02:31
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The_Doctor posted:Oh, that’s lovely. Man, as much as she has been in the advertising at this point, I'd be pissed if she was just in a single episode or something.
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Jan 18, 2020 03:03
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I don't think they're going to underplay one of their big character draws- and someone who'd have a very interesting dynamic with Picard in particular.
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Jan 18, 2020 04:06
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Seven being around humans for 20+ years and dropping the BorgSpeak will be interesting.
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Jan 18, 2020 04:09
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MikeJF posted:Terraforming a good candidate by TNG's time takes 30 years to take a planet to habitable, though it may take longer to make it ideal. And it's pretty automated, with only a handful of people doing it, and those tend to consider it a joy to do (apparently there's a certain obsessive kind of person who loves going and spending 30 years nearly alone building a planet), so there's no reason not to terraform all the ones lying in the middle of the Federation. Now I'm imagining a terraforming specialist doing daily interstellar livestreams in the style of a Minecraft player.
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Jan 18, 2020 04:28
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Humerus posted:All that terraforming potential and those Native Americans still got shunted to the desert hell planet next door to Cardassia. Their mystical feelings/calculations/whatever led them to that particular planet.
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Jan 18, 2020 07:29
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Roadie posted:Now I'm imagining a terraforming specialist doing daily interstellar livestreams in the style of a Minecraft player. Captain's Log is already halfway there. Somewhere between podcast and reality TV extreme renovation show.
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Jan 18, 2020 08:44
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So I watched Descent last night to help patch up loose ends before Picard, and it's another one of those "Data goes crazy" episodes from what I remember. This has got to be the third or fourth time I've seen him do something really hosed up and dangerous, show a bit of robo-remorse at the end, and have everyone okay with it by the end of the episode. I mean I get letting it slide once or maybe even twice but it seems like he almost gets everyone killed once a season. That's gotta be a liability. I didn't use the toaster for a year when I got a shock from it once, and yet Geordi is chill with hanging on to Data's emotion chip when it's clear that plugging it into Data makes him love the idea of homicide.
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Jan 18, 2020 16:11
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Roadie posted:Now I'm imagining a terraforming specialist doing daily interstellar livestreams in the style of a Minecraft player. Today we are going to do a no salinated oceans run, now this tricky because there is a lot of luck involved...
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Jan 18, 2020 17:04
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The Golden Gael posted:I didn't use the toaster for a year when I got a shock from it once, and yet Geordi is chill with hanging on to Data's emotion chip when it's clear that plugging it into Data makes him love the idea of homicide. These are the same people who kept using the holodeck after it repeatedly tried to murder them. At least Data saves the ship at least as often as he endangers it.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:14
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Geordi's also had his body hijacked, he'd be a hypocrite to judge someone for that.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:21
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Angry Salami posted:These are the same people who kept using the holodeck after it repeatedly tried to murder them. At least Data saves the ship at least as often as he endangers it. Three times he saved the ship, versus five times he endangered it... two were kind of a draw.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:22
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Three times he saved the ship, versus five times he endangered it... two were kind of a draw. It's gotta be more than 3... are you counting Cause and Effect and The Game? And his knowledge and computational ability have helped them countless times.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:23
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Weird mind control is a valid defense in Star Trek. Mind control video games, space ghosts, being replaced by doppelgangers, etc. I'm pretty sure something like that happened to every member of the TNG crew at least once. Data is a good dude who is statistically only slightly more susceptible to that poo poo than the rest of the crew.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:28
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Yeah, it's not like everyone else also hasn't been hijacked and turned into the enemy.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:37
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There must be victims of possession/brainwashing support groups all over the Federation.
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Jan 18, 2020 17:50
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thexerox123 posted:It's gotta be more than 3... are you counting Cause and Effect and The Game? It's a simpsons joke
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Jan 18, 2020 18:03
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I've said it before, if Starfleet kicked out everyone who got their heads messed with, they'd be unable to crew half the fleet within a year.
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Jan 18, 2020 18:22
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I've said it before, if Starfleet kicked out everyone who got their heads messed with, they'd be unable to crew half the fleet within a year. You'd think they'd have special protocols in place where the Commander can take over the ship in the event that the Captain gets possessed/messed with without it being considered mutiny but apparently not.
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Jan 18, 2020 18:45
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EvilTaytoMan posted:You'd think they'd have special protocols in place where the Commander can take over the ship in the event that the Captain gets possessed/messed with without it being considered mutiny but apparently not. Riker removes Picard (or rather, the imposter which neither Crusher nor Troi could prove was not Picard) from command after "Picard" orders the Enterprise into lethal range of a pulsar in Allegiance.
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Jan 18, 2020 19:20
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Riker removes Picard (or rather, the imposter which neither Crusher nor Troi could prove was not Picard) from command after "Picard" orders the Enterprise into lethal range of a pulsar in Allegiance. But usually he really debates over doing it, and in the episode where furry Mark Alaimo eats the snake ambassador he says he needs the full support of the senior staff, while Crusher can do it without that but she needs medical evidence to do so. Also in the episode you mentioned they know something is up with the captain but he can't act until the ship is in danger. Eighties ZomCom fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 19:25
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Drink-Mix Man posted:There must be victims of possession/brainwashing support groups all over the Federation. And now I have to try to list as many possessions / body takeovers as I can, purely from memory. Specifically excluding where they've been hypnotized / mind controlled / driven crazygonuts, but there's no other entity actually moved into their body in the classic sense. Also excluding normal mind melds. I'm certain that I'll be missing tons of examples. Here goes... Kirk, Spock, Diana Muldaur, arguably Chapel: Sargon et al. Spock: Medusan ambassador Kirk: Janice Lester McCoy: Spock Picard: That pure-energy alien that kind of merged with Picard and sent lightning all over the bridge Quinn, Remmick, a bunch of others: The little bug aliens from Conspiracy Data: To know him is to love him is to know him Data, Troi, O'Brien: those three aliens that took over Ten-Forward Riker: Odan Troi: That alien from Clues that broke Worf's wrist (lol) Dax: Dax Almost the whole DS9 cast: Dax's previous hosts Almost the whole DS9 cast: That telepathic imprint that made them all paranoid and plotting against each other (this one's arguable) Keiko O'Brien: Pah-Wraith Jake Sisko and Kira: Pah-Wraith and Prophet Tuvok and Neelix: Tuvix (arguable) Seven: Doctor (YOU BECAME SEXUALLY AROUSED IN MY BODY?) Pretty much the entire Enterprise cast: Organians Yeah, that's all I can remember. Wouldn't surprise me if that's less than half of them. e: Hah, should have known Memory Alpha would have a list. Yup, looks like I got about half. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Possession Powered Descent fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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Jan 18, 2020 19:50
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The Golden Gael posted:I didn't use the toaster for a year when I got a shock from it once, and yet Geordi is chill with hanging on to Data's emotion chip when it's clear that plugging it into Data makes him love the idea of homicide. ok Maddox
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Jan 18, 2020 20:38
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Riker removes Picard (or rather, the imposter which neither Crusher nor Troi could prove was not Picard) from command after "Picard" orders the Enterprise into lethal range of a pulsar in Allegiance. I like how that parallels All Good Things. If imposter Picard had just given a speech about how great the crew was instead of singing, they would have gone right into that pulsar.
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Jan 18, 2020 22:10
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, it's not like everyone else also hasn't been hijacked and turned into the enemy. One of the most revered Captains in history destroys 40 ships and they are like uh....well...we get it?
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Drink-Mix Man posted:There must be victims of possession/brainwashing support groups all over the Federation. GCU Grey Area victims' support group.
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