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Julio Cruz posted:while undoubtedly a lot of people who voted for Trump/Johnson are fash or fash-adjacent, it's pretty clearly wrong to say that all of them are My friend said it well, "you're either a racist or an idiot" E: the Leave/Trump/BoJo voters, not you JC
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ThomasPaine posted:E2: in short, there are your dyed in the wool fash. You will never win them over. There are also a whole bunch of people who are far less committed but far more numerous. You can win them over, but only with socialist arguments that actually speak to them rather than at them. This is what libs do not get, an ignorance that I think is showing very clearly in the tweet I linked. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of yesterday with Guavanaut posted:They're the small end of the egg here, the ones inside of Leave but outside of party politics, and the immediate surrounds. They won't vote Tory but they might stay at home. That upper left quartile is (apparently) where a lot of people in the UK sit and the left needs something that speaks to them before somebody else does. There's no libertarian right base in the UK and a 'Singapore-on-Thames' Brexit has like 4% national popularity. Tories were happy to (at least pretend to) move away from austerity to try to capture some of that. Labour should not be prepared to move away from liberty and tolerance for the same ends, but needs an economic message that works and some sort of platform that reaches them before others do. Ratjaculation posted:My friend said it well, "you're either a racist or an idiot" e: Why not both racists and idiots, not why not both the Leave/Trump/BoJo voters and JC
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Julio Cruz posted:someone drove into my car while I was getting lunch I pray you werent parked on a private car park comrade.
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Julio Cruz posted:while undoubtedly a lot of people who voted for Trump/Johnson are fash or fash-adjacent, it's pretty clearly wrong to say that all of them are Not true - activating non-voters is usually more effective, particularly with polarisation as severe as we're presently experiencing. Both got about 42% of the vote with about 67% turnout. Plenty of other fish in the sea, and left-wing parties tend to do better with higher turnout (one small evidence-point for that was that 2017 had significantly higher turnout than 2019). ThomasPaine posted:My bad, alienation is probably a better word than deprivation (though they often go hand in hand). Additionally, someone promising something is always going to have an advantage over someone promising nothing, even if that's less due to their winning and more their opponent losing by failing to inspire any enthusiasm at all. The problem was that their economic anxiety was not often that rational (as in, their incomes weren't as threatened as they thought they were), and was strongly correlated with racial anxiety. Trump exploited middle-class racism more than working-class alienation and deprivation.
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Darth Walrus posted:Not true - activating non-voters is usually more effective, particularly with polarisation as severe as we're presently experiencing. Both got about 42% of the vote with about 67% turnout. Plenty of other fish in the sea, and left-wing parties tend to do better with higher turnout (one small evidence-point for that was that 2017 had significantly higher turnout than 2019). going by 2017 results Labour would need another ~2 million votes for a majority, which is about 4.5% extra on top of the actual turnout of 68.8% the last election which had >73% turnout was in 1992
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Darth Walrus posted:Not true - activating non-voters is usually more effective, particularly with polarisation as severe as we're presently experiencing. Both got about 42% of the vote with about 67% turnout. Plenty of other fish in the sea, and left-wing parties tend to do better with higher turnout (one small evidence-point for that was that 2017 had significantly higher turnout than 2019).
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Apraxin posted:https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1218627099977830400 Don't forget that Ayesha Hazarika, an Evening Standard hack, as good as tweeted that only anti-semites would NOT vote for Jess Phillips: https://twitter.com/ayeshahazarika/status/1213466652299481088?s=20
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I love that she has slotted perfectly into the role vacated by Chuka, in terms of just absolutely incalculably overinflated sense of self-worth. If she doesn't win the leadership, I'll give evens that she'll gently caress off and try and make her own party.
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Darth Walrus posted:Eh, deprivation isn't strongly correlated with fascism. Their base tends to be middle-class voters who feel their comfortable lives are under threat from a rising underclass. Trump didn't actually pick up a statistically greater number of low-income voters than Romney, but did get a small surge of middle-income voters, while Hillary got a broadly similar number of votes to Obama, with a large drop in low-income voters being compensated for by a roughly equal surge of middle-income voters. Similarly, Johnson's base correlated much more strongly with age than income - he picked up a lot of voters in deprived areas, but that doesn't mean the voters themselves were deprived. You could probably make an argument that fascism correlates with the middle classes realising how bad deprivation is and growing fearful of how the poor would react if they ever developed class consciousness.
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feedmegin posted:Thanks to everyone who showed up! Had a lovely time. +1 That pub was alright I thought, also accessible enough
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I love that she has slotted perfectly into the role vacated by Chuka, in terms of just absolutely incalculably overinflated sense of self-worth. If she doesn't win the leadership, I'll give evens that she'll gently caress off and try and make her own party. No, there's a clique including her, Liz Kendall and Harriet Harman who are waiting for their chance to brand centrism as the feminist option. At worst they'll flee to the LDs but my best guess is that they'll just be permanent melts.
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UK crisp thread, I require your assistance: https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1218575671477358592?s=19 https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1218577258627174400?s=19 https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1218611859873574912?s=19 I have two questions: 1. Does Monster Munch really go in a cheese sandwich? That honestly sounds kinda  to me.2. Is this Monster Munch opinion Correct or Heretical?
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The union that has been mentioned for uber etc workers - can someone remind me of the name and contacts? We're interested in possibly getting someone to talk at one of our CLP meetings. Ed: found it. https://iwgb.org.uk/ Ed ed: no it wasn't.... Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 01:24 on Jan 19, 2020 |
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Venomous posted:UK crisp thread, I require your assistance: The correct monster munch opinion is to put it in the bin and get proper crisps (the best ones are wavey/ruffled, preferably ready salted don't @ me).
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Miftan posted:The correct monster munch opinion is to put it in the bin and get proper crisps (the best ones are wavey/ruffled, preferably ready salted don't @ me). Here we have a Heretic in our midst
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The union that has been mentioned for uber etc workers - can someone remind me of the name and contacts? We're interested in possibly getting someone to talk at one of our CLP meetings. GMB have done a fair lot with them and other "contractors" in terms of getting them normal workers protections, but I suspect you might mean the Independent Workers Of Great Britain, who have concentrated specifically on Uber and the various food delivery places, and been behind a number of recent strikes, pickets, and other disruptions.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:GMB have done a fair lot with them and other "contractors" in terms of getting them normal workers protections, but I suspect you might mean the Independent Workers Of Great Britain, who have concentrated specifically on Uber and the various food delivery places, and been behind a number of recent strikes, pickets, and other disruptions. Yes I just found their page. We're also interested in zero hours contracts representation so GMB is also a good link. Also something that came up in a meeting we were discussing these things at, retail workers and other zero hours contracts.
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Guavanaut posted:Had to go downstairs and get some monster munch (flamin hot) because of this post. A Flamin' Hot take indeed.
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The Official Monster Munch of Feedmegin East London Goon Meatups (c)(tm)( ) is pIckled onion, just sayin'
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In this house we Salute the Flag Stand for the Anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9aiMIxbGBg Kneel Before the Cross  and Serve the Lord  Miftan.
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What's this thread's knowledge on Emily Thornberry? I'm watching the hustings now and her performance thus far is the kind of aggression I've been waiting to see, but I wonder if there's some factual basis to dismiss her which I have missed?
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Azza Bamboo posted:What's this thread's knowledge on Emily Thornberry? I'm watching the hustings now and her performance thus far is the kind of aggression I've been waiting to see, but I wonder if there's some factual basis to dismiss her which I have missed? I'm thinking I'm going to put her second after RLB assuming they're both still on the ballot - I know for sure she appeals to a certain female voter demographic (my mum). I think I'll rank them all to make sure JP goes last.
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feedmegin posted:The Official Monster Munch of Feedmegin East London Goon Meatups (c)(tm)( Still welcoming to those of us from the heretical roast beef tendency though.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I've never eaten Monster Munch of any flavour in my life.... No worries, we introduced jaete to the Holy Sacrament today, your turn next 
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Guavanaut posted:and Serve the Lord This thing is probably one of the weirdest things to come out of this thread.
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Miftan posted:This thing is probably one of the weirdest things to come out of this thread. It's definitely the thing that would require most explanation out of context. Especially since knowledge of Cristingles seems limited.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The union that has been mentioned for uber etc workers - can someone remind me of the name and contacts? We're interested in possibly getting someone to talk at one of our CLP meetings. I've been meaning to get round to replying to your last email anyway, hope you're doing well 
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mehall posted:It's definitely the thing that would require most explanation out of context. If we ever get time travel I'd like to show it to Schleiermacher just to piss him off.
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Azza Bamboo posted:What's this thread's knowledge on Emily Thornberry? I'm watching the hustings now and her performance thus far is the kind of aggression I've been waiting to see, but I wonder if there's some factual basis to dismiss her which I have missed? Poorly-concealed drinking problem. Not great for a job that takes as much of a toll on your health as this one.
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Darth Walrus posted:Poorly-concealed drinking problem. Not great for a job that takes as much of a toll on your health as this one. OTOH Charlie Kennedy made a great success of the lib dems.
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