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Funion posted:That's really sad to hear and I'm empathizing hard with you, I can't believe people fall for this crap. Was either of them wearing a diaper
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bird with big dick posted:Was either of them wearing a diaper The pictures cut off at the torso so that will remain a mystery
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Not to pry too much, but do you parents have actual, meaningful friendships or just a bunch of people they see every once in a while? I think a lot of the boomers who fall for QAnon are fairly lonely and use the online community to fill the void. I know my parents had friends when I was younger, later on I feel like my mom never left the house and was always on her laptop. Cults have just moved out of the compound and into the internet.
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Vonnegut Asterisk posted:Not to pry too much, but do you parents have actual, meaningful friendships or just a bunch of people they see every once in a while? I think a lot of the boomers who fall for QAnon are fairly lonely and use the online community to fill the void. I know my parents had friends when I was younger, later on I feel like my mom never left the house and was always on her laptop. They're pretty involved with the church and teaching religious youth programs but yeah I think most of their friendships are superficial. They're not even boomers either, they were both born around 1970. Maybe they got imprinted hard by their parents and that's one of the causes. I have a feeling though that "The Storm" QAnon promises resonates very well with them; they're hardcore Mormon and really take to heart stockpiling and preparing for the "second coming" or whatever.
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If someone believes in magic, you're not going to convince them not to by being rational. Or to put it another way, you can't rationally argue someone out of a position they didn't come to rationally. The only way you can help them is with relationships and time.
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ashpanash posted:If someone believes in magic, you're not going to convince them not to by being rational. Or to put it another way, you can't rationally argue someone out of a position they didn't come to rationally. Well personally I think there's a gap between religious beliefs and believing that there's a secret satan-worshipping cabal of pedophiles controlling the government. I just have to wedge through that gap with them somehow.
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Yeah just do your best to keep them from investing their retirement in Dinars or whatever. Otherwise all you can do is wait for this Q thing to blow over. I can't say when, its lasted longer than I thought. I used to joke that even after trump leaves office people will still believe Trump is pulling strings from behind the curtain but now that seems less a joke and more a certainty. Also is it just me or has Trump's role in the QAnon movement seem to have been downplayed? I hear less about Trump and more about Q himself. Q was originally just a guy close to the president (or even Donald himself using a code name) but Trump was the real savior, Q was just assuring the true patriots that everything was going according to plan. Now it seems like Q is the centerpiece. He's the savior they want. Am i imagining this? Because it seems like it'd make sense if Trump continues to disappoint they'd shift their focus to a shadowy, infallible figure.
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Helen Highwater posted:Ah yes, Facebook, Twitter and *checks notes* LinkedIn, famously liberal social media sites. Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn, is vocally against Trump. Of course, he hasn’t had much to do with it for a decade now, but given every news article mentioning him mentions LinkedIn, I’m not surprised they’ve made the association.
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Funion posted:Well personally I think there's a gap between religious beliefs and believing that there's a secret satan-worshipping cabal of pedophiles controlling the government. I just have to wedge through that gap with them somehow. For sure, everyone believes in something nonsensical or unjustified. I'm just saying that you can't change their mind with a book of facts. And if people have a tendency to believe in magical thinking (by which I don't mean strictly a belief in god, I mean belief in revelation/prophecy/endtimes stuff as you said they did) then that needs to be considered when planning how to break them out of their rabbit hole.
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RagnarokAngel posted:Also is it just me or has Trump's role in the QAnon movement seem to have been downplayed? I hear less about Trump and more about Q himself. Q was originally just a guy close to the president (or even Donald himself using a code name) but Trump was the real savior, Q was just assuring the true patriots that everything was going according to plan. Unfortunately, it looks like it's because a lot of them have decided that Trump is Q, so now whenever they're talking about Q they explicitly mean Trump.
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ashpanash posted:For sure, everyone believes in something nonsensical or unjustified. I'm just saying that you can't change their mind with a book of facts. And if people have a tendency to believe in magical thinking (by which I don't mean strictly a belief in god, I mean belief in revelation/prophecy/endtimes stuff as you said they did) then that needs to be considered when planning how to break them out of their rabbit hole. The ultimate galaxybrain plan: convince them the endtimes will be caused by climate change, not "The Storm", and transform them into progressives. First I just gotta tear them away from their oil-funded climate change denial movies they love, like this gem: 
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Funion posted:The ultimate galaxybrain plan: convince them the endtimes will be caused by climate change, not "The Storm", and transform them into progressives. Do you mean convincing them the end times will come as a result of mitigating climate change? Convincing them it's a result of climate change wouldn't alter their stance any since they want the end times to happen.
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it's pretty funny that climate change is the actual apocalypse scenario that preppers want but they deny it's a thing you should be happy, nutjobs! the world is actually ending!
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angerbeet posted:Very tempted to buy spend it on a sanders
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my bony fealty posted:it's pretty funny that climate change is the actual apocalypse scenario that preppers want but they deny it's a thing Preppers don't actually know want the world to end, they just want to murder people they don't like.
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my bony fealty posted:it's pretty funny that climate change is the actual apocalypse scenario that preppers want but they deny it's a thing If you look at climate change seriously it's scary because it will gently caress the entire planet to as-yet undetermined lengths. They want the rapture or racial holy war or fascism or whatever gets them turned on where they can finally hurt, or watch get hurt, "those" people. Completely different motivations.
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The apocalypse is a win for them because, as they’ve framed it, all the Jews will die and they’ll get to kill swaths of liberals and non-white people. Then they’ll go to heaven after.
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Funion posted:Well personally I think there's a gap between religious beliefs and believing that there's a secret satan-worshipping cabal of pedophiles controlling the government. I just have to wedge through that gap with them somehow. I mean, the latter is more probable than the Book of Mormon, is that what you mean
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bird with big dick posted:I mean, the latter is more probable than the Book of Mormon, is that what you mean 
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IPlayVideoGames posted:The apocalypse is a win for them because, as they’ve framed it, all the Jews will die and they’ll get to kill swaths of liberals and non-white people. Then they’ll go to heaven after. Or even better they get swept away in the Rapture and sent directly to heaven and somehow that's not at all dying so they get to never die.
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Funion posted:Well personally I think there's a gap between religious beliefs and believing that there's a secret satan-worshipping cabal of pedophiles controlling the government. I just have to wedge through that gap with them somehow. Eh, cults and satanists and pedophiles actually exist so it's automatically more reasonable than believing a magic man on the planet Kolob watches you masturbate. Most people are gullible and stupid, or religion wouldn't exist. But they don't sit down and weigh Facts and Logic to determine that yes Joseph Smith found magical golden tablets that told of ancient Jews sailing to America but then he lost them. They believe because they want to believe, because the religion fulfills some need, usually a social one. You're not going to get your parents to drop QAnon by proving it's fake, because it's so stupid that if they were open to it being fake they'd conclude it already. You have to find a way to fulfill the need that QAnon is filling and it may be impossible. On the other hand, your brother probably doesn't care that much and if you can help him develop a healthy social life he won't need to spend his time 'researching' Qdrops on the internet to feel special.
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That particular insanity predates Trump, conservatives were buying up Dinars all the way back in 2003 under the assumption that Iraq would be a US backed regional power after Saddam was taken out.
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Konstantin posted:That particular insanity predates Trump, conservatives were buying up Dinars all the way back in 2003 under the assumption that Iraq would be a US backed regional power after Saddam was taken out. This particular flavour is new though, after Trump gave a speech about how unfair it was that different currencies have different values (complaining, presumably, about China and to a lesser extent Japan and Europe deliberately undervaluing their currencies to make exports more valuable, but who can actually tell?) and he was going to fix that. The titans of industry that are the Dinar crew interpreted that as meaning he was going to make it so that 1 USD = 1 Euro = 1 Yen = 1 IQD etc for all the world's currencies, so not only bought up dinars but also Zimbabwe dollars, Vietnamese Dong (fnarr), Indonesian Rupiah, and any other currency that has a lot of zeros in its exchange rte.
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bird food bathtub posted:If you look at climate change seriously it's scary because it will gently caress the entire planet to as-yet undetermined lengths. They want the rapture or racial holy war or fascism or whatever gets them turned on where they can finally hurt, or watch get hurt, "those" people. Climate doomerism is basically rapture wank fantasies, but for secular people. If you look at the D&D climate thread it's like a weird mixture of an incel subreddit and a rapture forum from the early 2000s.
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The currency scam is an older one that just got repackaged. Reaches back to the 90s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA Funion posted:Well personally I think there's a gap between religious beliefs and believing that there's a secret satan-worshipping cabal of pedophiles controlling the government.
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GABA ghoul posted:Climate doomerism is basically rapture wank fantasies, but for secular people. If you look at the D&D climate thread it's like a weird mixture of an incel subreddit and a rapture forum from the early 2000s. I think its more of a fatalism than a desire to go prepper. Climate change is scary and going to gently caress poo poo up but when people jump to "the planet will be inhabitable in 30 years" its a misunderstanding of whats being said by the scientific community rather than masturbating to the idea.
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GABA ghoul posted:Climate doomerism is basically rapture wank fantasies, but for secular people. If you look at the D&D climate thread it's like a weird mixture of an incel subreddit and a rapture forum from the early 2000s. I've not read that thread but climate change is likely going to kill millions of (poor) people and if that's not something to be really upset and concerned about, I don't really know what is.
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:maximum_effort_post: Kind of a derail but some might find it interesting. I wouldn't say the Dinar scam is directly related to the NESARA/prosperity funds nonsense. NESARA ends up being tangentially related to every long running scam for conspiracy theory dummies just because if you're dumb enough to believe one of them you're definitely dumb enough to believe all of them (CMKX diamonds as another example besides the dinar), but there's no direct link IMO. I.e. the dinar scam isn't a repackaged NESARA scam it's an all new scam that rubs up against the NESARA scam. You didn't have to be a woo woo cult member the Pleaidian lizard people are going to descend the earth and begin a new era of peace and love type to end up sucked into the dinar scam, you just had to be dumb and not understand how currency works. And Trump bitching about exchange rates and currency manipulation didn't add or change anything with regards to the scam. People were buying up Dong and Zim dollars and every other hyperinflated currency many years before that. Trump having billions or trillions of Iraqi Dinar has always been a pervasive rumor in dinar circles though, a decade or more before he became president. Which makes sense tbh, who wouldn't believe The Donald wouldn't be down for some sleazy war profiteering at the expense of some poor Iraqis. The Iraqi dinar used to be worth about 3 bucks each. Back then the largest denomination of the dinar was 25 dinar (so about 75 bucks) and IIRC there was around 20 million dinar total in circulation, so a total "money supply" of around 75 million USD. This was in like the 70s though. Not 2002 or even the 90s like the dinar scammers/scammees believe. But Saddam needed money to finance his Kuwaiti vacations, among other things, so he did what all good dictators do and started printing 500 dinar bills and telling people they were still worth 3 bucks each. That didn't really work very well, of course, so he eventually ramped up to 10,000 dinar bills. This 10,000 dinar bill which the scammers say was (or should be) worth over $30,000 was actually worth about $3 while it was in circulation. Those Saddam 10,000 bills were replaced by the new (current) currency (which includes up to 25,000 dinar bills) at a 1:1 ratio in 2003. At the time the exchange rate was about 1800 or 2000:1 IIRC. Now it's around 1200:1 and has been relatively stable for ~15 years because Iraq has been doing a fairly competent job at managing it by not hyperinflating it and by selling USD from oil sales at the 1200 rate. So the scam is them thinking and people telling them that the dinar (currently worth 0.00086 dollars each, less than 1/10th of a cent) will be revalued ("RV'd") to, if not it's previous $3 glory (a 350,000% return), to at least $0.86 (a 100,000% return). And it'll do that because Iraq is immensely wealthy (they're not, their GDP per capita is like 90th in the world, below such titans of global finance as Bosnia and North Macedonia) and because the only reason the value tanked was because the US forced it to be worth less so Iraq couldn't finance their wars (needless to say the US did not force Saddam to print 10,000 dinar bills for a decade). So, in a nutshell, Iraq used to have a money supply of 20 million dinar worth 3 bucks each, now they have a money supply of around 60 TRILLION dinar, worth 1/10th of a cent each, and dinar "investors" just can't figure out why that dinar value can't just go right back to 3 bucks each as soon as the Iraqi government (or Donald Trump, or the Rothschilds, or the space aliens, etc) decide the time is right. The cast of characters pimping the dinar over the years is what entertained me. You basically had guys like "Okie the Oil Man" and Anthony Renfrow aka "TNT Tony" on one end of the spectrum and a company like Dinar Trade on the other. Dinar Trade being (AFAIK) a completely legit business that just sold dinar without doing any sort of fraudulent lying or marketing (i.e. they're scumbags but not criminals). TNT Tony being a flat out lifetime con man that just latched onto the dinar as a way to make some quick bucks while awaiting trial for defrauding people of millions of dollars in a Ponzi/pyramid scheme known as "14 daily plus" which he eventually did time for (though not enough). And while he was in prison he handed over the family dinar pimping business to his brother Ray and it probably continues to this day, in some form. Usually "conference calls" which have become podcasts since podcasts didn't exist when this all started.  And then in between those two endpoints you've got people closer to the legit side like "Adam Montana" of dinarvets.com. I'm pretty sure he's told some whoppers in his day (that he made big bucks in the "Kuwaiti RV" back in the day being #1) and I'm guessing if the feds felt like it he could be prosecuted for some sort of fraud with regards to the future tax avoidance schemes he sells but for the most part he doesn't really lie and just does a weekly chat session where he googles a couple Iraqi news articles and says the equivalent of "hmmm this seems like good news for us, we're inching ever closer!" He makes his money selling a "lifetime platinum" membership to his website for $400 where you'll get all kind of perks (e.g. a better exchange rate with banks and fabulous post RV investment opportunities) but none of these perks exist until after the RV so since the RV will never happen... And once you spend the $400 you get access to his secret forum where he gives you the hard sell on his more expensive bullshits, here's someone talking about them: quote:I’m typically not one to post much, but this subject is one that has been troubling me a lot lately. I signed up for VIP and OSI at dinarscams, as I was a late comer to the dinar world and thought I did not have much time to play catch up (we all know how the RV is going to happen every weekend). I have watched AM’s operation for several months now, and am left with great concern for the welfare of others on that site that may be at risk. And, like I said, that's one of the most "legit" guys involved in this scam. It's likely he never gets in trouble since there are people doing way worse that haven't gotten in trouble yet either. Which isn't to say no one has gotten prosecuted, but you have to be pretty blatant about your crimes. Like these idiots that were selling dinar while lying about it (and also paying a third party to lie about it). The rule is that you can sell dinar, or you can lie about dinar, but doing both gets the FBI looking in your direction. These guys did both. https://www.ajc.com/news/local/atlanta-men-convicted-iraqi-currency-scheme-that-made-millions/TnZKdwcZ3sknlU4XRkvcGN/ quote:“We are risking serious jail time as promoters of a Ponzi scheme…” James Shaw wrote Rhame in a 2010 email. Shaw also said in the email that his wife had been “very nervous” and “crying” because “she knows we are running an illegal operation.” Then there's these criminal masterminds, that weren't just selling dinar and lying about dinar they were also taking peoples money for a hedge fund that didn't happen to exactly exist (yet). But, happy ending here, they all got convicted and one of them even died in prison! https://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2015/04/25/Man-dies-5-months-into-prison-sentence.html quote:Less than five months after he began serving a 63-month prison sentence, a Florida man who conspired with two Toledo-area businessmen to sell Iraqi currency as a sure-thing investment has died. But as I mentioned, since these people are incredibly stupid, the scammers branched out from the Iraqi dinar to every other hyperinflated currency they could find, which brings us to the Zimbabwe dollar and my favorite story related to all this, the woman and her husband from Colorado Springs that spent their life savings flying to Zimbabwe in an attempt to get a bank to give her literally 69 trillion dollars for a bunch of Zimbabwe trillion dollar notes that had been demonetized (due to hyperinflation) and that she probably bought off eBay as "collectors items" for 5 bucks each. https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter7.13.15.1.pdf Here's some of the best bits: quote:My name is Terry-------. My husband Charles ______ traveled to Harare Zimbabwe for the demonetization process. We are US citizens, a long term investment in the Zimbabwean dollar was made prior to the deletion of the ten zeros of the currency on the XE international forex. I and my husband had reviewed the demonetization process and had phoned the RBZ several times and confirmed exchange rates of z$35,000 to every $1 USD. The RBZ itself had confirmed this exchange rate for the U.S. Citizens as did the IMF. We arrived in Harare Zimbabwe on June 24th 2015 leaving our two year old son at home with Family. We had been instructed by the RBZ to go into any local international bank to make our exchange... We where then escorted to the reserved bank of Zimbabwe and where sat down by the head officials of the RBZ and told we had no rights to our U.S. Exchange rate and ONLY continued to PUSH Zimbabwean rates at us. We however knew this was a violation of our rights as US citizens and began the crusade to see justice. https://twitter.com/HumistonTrista/status/554470923269853184 https://twitter.com/HumistonTrista/status/617247247563157504
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goddamnedtwisto posted:This particular flavour is new though, after Trump gave a speech about how unfair it was that different currencies have different values (complaining, presumably, about China and to a lesser extent Japan and Europe deliberately undervaluing their currencies to make exports more valuable, but who can actually tell?) and he was going to fix that. Yea i'm definitely talking about the Qanons that are Dinar holders, because as is said, they see every fart of Trumps as a secret message. I do love that thing from the couple in Zimbabwe, they just knew they poor people of Africa will just fall over themselves for some Americans to come in and give them gods own money. And also by their nature of being Americans, laws don't apply to them.
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bird with big dick posted::maximum_effort_post: Kind of a derail but some might find it interesting. This is one of the best effortposts I have ever seen and I learned a lot. This is the reason to come to these dead gay forums
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bird with big dick posted::maximum_effort_post: Kind of a derail but some might find it interesting. This is beautiful. I thought someone thinking the standard dinar scheme was legit was sad, the woman who thinks she's going to get a payout from the government of Zimbabwe greater than their combined GDP since their formation is a level of mental illness that sounds too crazy to be real. It's some sovereign citizen level of believed gotcha that somehow seems even more ridiculous than people reading between the lines of over 200 year old local and state court cases.
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bird with big dick posted::maximum_effort_post: Kind of a derail but some might find it interesting. Thanks, that was interesting. The only person I knew (and quit speaking to) in real life that got into this stuff was following trump as the savior, buying dinar, waiting for "the GCR" (great currency reset) via NESERA, and following a couple weird sites (pretty sure this was one of them: https://inteldinarchronicles.blogspot.com/ ) He earnestly believed one of these people (It mighty have been that Tony guy?) was being stalked by government assassins, and that he was killing them one by one with his bare hands and burying them in his backyard. Dude went from weird and troubled to totally crazy during the "Trump is an alien messiah who will destroy the satanic communist deep state and enact the GEE CEE AR" time. edit: Oh yeah, also kept talking about "bringing back The Old Republic" like this was Star Wars or something. And something about Europe worshiping the planet Saturn, and thats actually Satan. FRINGE fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jan 18, 2020 |
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FRINGE posted:something about Europe worshiping the planet Saturn, and thats actually Satan.
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predicto posted:This is one of the best effortposts I have ever seen and I learned a lot. This is the reason to come to these dead gay forums Agreed, that was a phenomenal post.
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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Oh this is one of my favourite conspiracy theories. People who are into this think that Saturn used to be a second sun and Earth used to orbit around it before ancient aliens hosed up the solar system, and now all the globalist alien hybrid bloodlines are doing mind control by putting subliminal Saturn symbolism everywhere, like the number 6 (because of Saturn's polar hexagon) and beards (because the god Saturn had a beard). What day of the week did you post this?????  Exactly
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