TACD posted:

So Boris' Oven-Ready Deal™ has gone into the bin? Not surprising I suppose.

Thanks all!

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

Anyone ever wonder what the country would look like if the Restoration had never happened?

Like, the answer is probably "a hereditary Puritan theocracy" because there is always more and it is always worse but imagine living in the three hundred and seventy one year old Commonwealth of Britain.

a pipe smoking dog posted:

Yeah can someone please clarify. Is this the man who was racist on question time? Because I'd never seen it heard of him before this week, and I'm an active consumer of bad detective shows.

TACD posted:

So Boris' Oven-Ready Deal™ has gone into the bin? Not surprising I suppose.

Thanks all!

Puntification posted:

Who is this guy?

OwlFancier posted:

He never had a deal, the transition agreement was what he signed up to, it's literally what May had with northern ireland lopped off.

Guavanaut posted:

Problem with hard right lunatics assassinating sitting MPs is that it just shifts everything a bit further to the right.

Guavanaut posted:

Problem with hard right lunatics assassinating sitting MPs is that it just shifts everything a bit further to the right.

TACD posted:

So Boris' Oven-Ready Deal™ has gone into the bin? Not surprising I suppose.

Thanks all!

Jedit posted:

So does hard right lunatics not assassinating sitting MPs because they moved to the right of their own free will.

quote:

Listeners of the interview took to Twitter to mock the Remaniac podcast host and his complaints.

One viewer said: “Remoaners deserve their faces rubbed in Brexit. Three and a half years of attempting to tear up the result of the ballot box, let the nose rubbing begin.”

Another added: “Big Ben is the property of the people of the United Kingdom who the majority who voted to leave the EU.

Red Oktober posted:

Apologies for the express, but this is a typical example of how brexit has been turned into a sport, with non of the complexities of what it actually means being important, just ‘winning’.


Constant ‘remoaners’, ‘remaniacs’ and us-v-them. They don’t give a poo poo about what it means, they care that they won.

Venomous posted:

https://twitter.com/KatyMontgomerie/status/1218575671477358592?s=19

quote:

Brexit: Big Ben fundraiser given £50,000

Millionaire businessman Arron Banks and the Leave Means Leave group have donated £50,000 to a campaign to make Big Ben ring when the UK leaves the EU.

An online appeal has raised more than £200,000, with the cost of making the famous bell work in time for the one-off event estimated to be £500,000.

Big Ben is being renovated, but the PM this week suggested a fund be set up to make it chime at 23:00 on 31 January.

But the MPs' group running Parliament doubts this is feasible.

The House of Commons Commission estimates that getting the bell to ring during renovation works on the Palace of Westminster's Elizabeth Tower, which houses Big Ben, would cost between £350,000 and £500,000.

It says this would involve bringing back the chiming mechanism and installing a temporary floor, and delays to the conservation work.

The commission argues the estimated costs could not be justified, and questions the idea that public donations should cover them.

But the campaign group Stand Up 4 Brexit's "Big Ben must bong for Brexit" campaign had raised more than £200,000 on the GofFundMe website by Friday afternoon.

Conservative MP Mark Francois told BBC Radio 4's The World at One that the pro-Brexit Leave Means Leave campaign and Mr Banks had donated £50,000.

He queried whether the cost of getting the bell to ring again was really £500,000, adding that he believed officials had "deliberately inflated the figure" because "they don't want to do it".

"Don't tell me it takes two weeks to attach a clapper to a bell," he said.

Mr Francois also said he believed the prime minister should table a motion in the Commons on Monday to compel the Commons authorities to bong Big Ben.

He said Boris Johnson was the one who had "fired the starting gun" on the campaign by suggesting public donations during his BBC Breakfast interview on Tuesday.

Responding to a question in Parliament from Mr Francois, Sir Paul Beresford - a member of the commission - said the cost of ringing the bell on New Year's Eve and Remembrance Sunday in 2019 had totalled £14,200.

"The striking of Big Ben on these occasions was co-ordinated around the planned works so as to minimise the impact on the project costs and to ensure it did not result in any delay," Sir Paul said.

"If the project team are required to strike the bell with less notice, the costs would substantially increase due to the unexpected impact on the project schedule."

Downing Street has said the chiming of Big Ben is "a matter for the House" of Commons.

Commons Speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle, who is chairman of the Commons Commission, said: "You are talking about £50,000 a bong."

quote:

Big Ben is being renovated, but the PM this week suggested a fund be set up to make it chime at 23:00 on 31 January.

But the MPs' group running Parliament doubts this is feasible.

quote:

The House of Commons Commission estimates that getting the bell to ring during renovation works on the Palace of Westminster's Elizabeth Tower, which houses Big Ben, would cost between £350,000 and £500,000.

It says this would involve bringing back the chiming mechanism and installing a temporary floor, and delays to the conservation work.

The commission argues the estimated costs could not be justified, and questions the idea that public donations should cover them.

quote:

Conservative MP Mark Francois told BBC Radio 4's The World at One that the pro-Brexit Leave Means Leave campaign and Mr Banks had donated £50,000.

He queried whether the cost of getting the bell to ring again was really £500,000, adding that he believed officials had "deliberately inflated the figure" because "they don't want to do it".

quote:

Mr Francois also said he believed the prime minister should table a motion in the Commons on Monday to compel the Commons authorities to bong Big Ben.

quote:

Responding to a question in Parliament from Mr Francois, Sir Paul Beresford - a member of the commission - said the cost of ringing the bell on New Year's Eve and Remembrance Sunday in 2019 had totalled £14,200.

"The striking of Big Ben on these occasions was co-ordinated around the planned works so as to minimise the impact on the project costs and to ensure it did not result in any delay," Sir Paul said.

"If the project team are required to strike the bell with less notice, the costs would substantially increase due to the unexpected impact on the project schedule."

quote:

[Mark Francois] said Boris Johnson was the one who had "fired the starting gun" on the campaign by suggesting public donations during his BBC Breakfast interview on Tuesday.

Red Oktober posted:

Apologies for the express, but this is a typical example of how brexit has been turned into a sport, with non of the complexities of what it actually means being important, just ‘winning’.


Constant ‘remoaners’, ‘remaniacs’ and us-v-them. They don’t give a poo poo about what it means, they care that they won.

Red Oktober posted:

Apologies for the express, but this is a typical example of how brexit has been turned into a sport, with non of the complexities of what it actually means being important, just ‘winning’.


Constant ‘remoaners’, ‘remaniacs’ and us-v-them. They don’t give a poo poo about what it means, they care that they won.

Guavanaut posted:

Would there still have been a bourgeois revolution in the late 17th century and a bunch of Liberal philosophy following it? Would Hobbes' Behemoth be more famous than Leviathan? Would there have been a union in 1707?

What of workers' democracies that gained power? Would they manage better gains or have been destroyed with more force?

What would have happened with America with no king in Britain to rally against, but with a bunch of wealthy Royalists fleeing to Virginia and the Carolinas?

What would have been the equivalent of the Victorian Era?

Miftan posted:

Does anybody know how the labour leadership hustings work? Are there audience questions or is it just pre approved questions? Considering if it's worth going but only if I can yell at them not to tack right to appease the media.

KOGAHAZAN!! posted:

If you want to get this serious with it we should probably start by figuring out how the Restoration is avoided and what sort of political culture emerges once things shake out.

WhatEvil posted:

Eh. Luton's pretty inoffensive. Easier to get to from lots of places than either London or Birmingham airports.

Calling it "London Luton" is a piss take, though.

HappyCamperGL posted:

Actor. Plays D.Sgt Hathaway, the sidekick in Lewis. Related in some way to actor Emilia Fox.

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Why? It's only 30m on the train to St Pancras which is pretty in line with getting to any of the other airports.

Guavanaut posted:

Charles II's boat sinks on its way back from the Netherlands leading to a period of national mourning during which James attempts to take the throne and dies of Popery.

Samuel Pepys, 25th May 1660 posted:

I went, and Mr. Mansell, and one of the King’s footmen, with a dog that the King loved, (which poo poo in the boat, which made us laugh, and me think that a King and all that belong to him are but just as others are), in a boat by ourselves

HappyCamperGL posted:

Actor. Plays D.Sgt Hathaway, the sidekick in Lewis. Related in some way to actor Emilia Fox.

Miftan posted:

Does anybody know how the labour leadership hustings work? Are there audience questions or is it just pre approved questions? Considering if it's worth going but only if I can yell at them not to tack right to appease the media.

thespaceinvader posted:

I mean you can yell at them either way, you just might get escorted out by security if you do it without being invited.

Rarity posted:

I had the chance to date this girl and now she's really hot fml

a pipe smoking dog posted:

So he's the sidekick's sidekick? Why is he suddenly all over the place? What did he do to get this platform?

Pesky Splinter posted:

"What if Jordon Peterson, but a bit part actor from a spin off of a detective tv show".

Guavanaut posted:

"Hustings are a bad way to decide who would make a good Labour leader posted:

I said at the beginning of this process that I would tell the truth. I said that I was the bold choice and only bold could beat Boris Johnson, and I meant it. And then I did something I didn’t think I would do, and I stopped being bold. I didn’t lie, but I certainly stopped being real. I really believe that authentic, big-hearted, funny, kind and different politics is the only way to beat Johnson. So I am going to practise it.

So now for the honesty.

I hated the first hustings on Saturday. Genuinely the most inspiring moment was the sound of a baby crying in the audience. That was Baby Alfie, whose mother I knocked doors with while he was still safe in the womb. She knocked doors in the rain, in a seat we lost, while she was nine months pregnant and in possible slow labour.

The hustings was awful. I was awful because I was trying to hit a million different lines and messages in 40 seconds. Some were my lines, some were other people’s, and it fell flat.

It was not all my failing. The format of the hustings is terrible. To answer any question in 40 seconds is ridiculous. If it were possible to sum up, for example, an economic plan or an industrial strategy in 40 seconds, one wonders why they are actually hundreds of pages long. What a ridiculous farce.

[...]

Ready for some more honesty? The likelihood that anyone but Keir Starmer or Rebecca Long-Bailey is going to win is, well, pretty low. Shock horror! What I am meant to say is, “Anything is possible, the campaign is long.” I get it. I am not blind. The likelihood of someone like me, who speaks like I do and says the things I say, ever being elected to be a party leader is slim. So I tried to do what was required, to learn lines, appear statesmanlike (as if!) and say the things I am meant to say. Turns out I cannot do it, because when I try it looks fake.

Also, I don’t think it is what leadership actually looks like. Leadership to me is deeds not words.

[...]

I might not look the most like a prime minister in this race. I cannot win that war so I am going to stop fighting it. I am going to do the thing that made tens of thousands of people ask me to run to be the leader. I am going to say what I think. I probably won’t win, but I am guessing that I might just inspire others to give it a go, too. I believe that the only way to beat a compulsive liar, who thinks only of himself but has the gift of the gab, is to be brutally honest, give a real toss about the people in our country and also have the gift of the gab. I could be wrong, but I would rather give this way a go than ever deliver a line in 40 seconds again.

Tesseraction posted:

ugly ducklings strike again

Desiderata posted:

'Remainiacs' is the actual name of their podcast. Believe me if you listen to it, you'd want to rub Brexit in their faces as well.

The latest episode included such gems as - implying the green new deal is European. Describing the EU as the "greatest peace project in the history of the world". Ranting that RBL must be defeated and that she is untrustworthy and a hardcore brexiter, while implying Lisa Nandy is the real europhiles choice.

thespaceinvader posted:

I mean, hustings aren't how we decide who is Labour leader. The election is. I'd bet that a significant proportion iof the membership never actually see a hustings.